On Wed, 02 May 2007 12:39:04 -0400, Harry Krause
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 12:00:02 -0400, Harry Krause
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 09:34:13 -0400, Harry Krause
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On 02 May 2007 02:14:37 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
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In message , Harry Krause
sprach
forth the following:

The inspector general's report said MacDonald tried to remove
protections for a rare jumping mouse
My copy of the Constitution does not contain "protections for a rare
jumping mouse". What Article and Section of yours does?
I don't think the Constitution says anything about driving while
impaired, bank robbery, or child porn so, shall I conclude that they
are all undesirable, unconstitutional, illegal, and unenforceable
laws?
There's an entire subpopulation of "righties" who have no understanding
of the Constitution, the government, or process.
You mean like "hate speech" laws?
Oh, I think there's a place for federal laws against certain kinds of
"hate speech." There are certain thoughts involving violence and hate
that one should not be able to say in public.
Give me an example of "hate speech".

"Cram it up your ass Doug. Sideways."

Depending on the guy and the relationship, that might be love talk.

Agreed.

Still, the question remains - what is "hate speech".

For example, would you consider "hate speech" to be something a black
person calling a white person a "cracker"? Or a white person calling
a black, yellow or brown person colored, colored, chink or spic?

On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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Give me an example of "hate speech".

Inciting to riot.

Hmmmm....

Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes,
encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges
or instigates others to riot. It does not apply to someone who merely
advocates ideas or expresses beliefs, if those ideas and beliefs do
not involve advocating violence."

Hate speech: "type of speech which is used to deliberately offend an
individual; or racial, ethnic, religious or other group. Such speech
generally seeks to condemn or dehumanize the individual or group; or
express anger, hatred, violence or contempt toward them."

I suppose you could stretch the definition a little, but to me, they
are two wholly different issues.

On May 2, 2:46 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".

Inciting to riot.

Hmmmm....

Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes,
encourages, or participates in a riot.

I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed
to breathe our air!

That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or
commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes".

CWM

Would there be a difference in saying:

"I think we should kill all the......"

and

"You should go out and kill all the......"?

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".

Inciting to riot.


Inciting to kill someone because of their race, gender, religion,
country of natural origin, or ethnic background.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".

Inciting to riot.

Hmmmm....

Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes,
encourages, or participates in a riot.

I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed
to breathe our air!

That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or
commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes".

No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech".

They are two seperate concepts.

However, it still begs the question - what is hate speech.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:06:58 -0400, Harry Krause
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".

Inciting to riot.

Inciting to kill someone because of their race, gender, religion,
country of natural origin, or ethnic background.

No - that's inciting to riot.

I'm looking for an example of hate speech.

On 2 May 2007 11:55:02 -0700, wrote:

On May 2, 2:46 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".

Inciting to riot.

Hmmmm....

Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes,
encourages, or participates in a riot.

I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed
to breathe our air!

That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or
commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes".

CWM

Would there be a difference in saying:

"I think we should kill all the......"

and

"You should go out and kill all the......"?

I just use Kill 'Em All.

That way, nobody is left out. :)

On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".

Inciting to riot.

Hmmmm....

Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes,
encourages, or participates in a riot.

I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed
to breathe our air!

That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or
commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes".

No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech".

They are two seperate concepts.

Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert
a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it
becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech

I understand what you are saying, but they are different.

For instance:

If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers"
and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot.

If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate
speech?

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".
Inciting to riot.
Hmmmm....

Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes,
encourages, or participates in a riot.
I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed
to breathe our air!

That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or
commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes".
No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech".

They are two seperate concepts.
Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert
a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it
becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech

I understand what you are saying, but they are different.

For instance:

If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers"
and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot.

If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate
speech?



If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger
group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s,
chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd
likely be found guilty of hate speech. As you should be. And murder.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Give me an example of "hate speech".
Inciting to riot.
Hmmmm....

Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes,
encourages, or participates in a riot.
I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed
to breathe our air!

That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or
commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes".
No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech".

They are two seperate concepts.
Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert
a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it
becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech

I understand what you are saying, but they are different.

For instance:

If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers"
and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot.

If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate
speech?



If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger
group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s,
chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd
likely be found guilty of hate speech.

Ok - why? If the statement was offered and resulted in nothing other
than some cheering and shouting, who did it hurt as a result?

Consider:

If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back
and come over to my house.

Would that be considered hate speech?

And murder.

Different issue.