On Mar 19, 5:56�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 17:42:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"

wrote:
Note: when I posted the version of this same info for either the 2005
or 2006 models several people who don't own any of these engines (and
had no actual technical frame of reference of any sort) all chimed in
to claim I was full of schlitz.

Not me, those numbers are very closely aligned with the prevailing
rules of thumb: *1 gph for every 10 hp gas, and 1 gph for every 20 hp
diesel. *This assumes that rated hp is developed at WOT, and cruising
hp is related to the square of RPMs, e.g., *70 % of WOT = 49% of peak
hp.

It is important to note that your numbers are "per engine".

Indeed. And all of this manufacturer's designs in the 36-48 foot
category are twin engines. With consumption on a pair of the larger
engines in the general range of 50-60 GPH and facing the almost
certain prospect of another summer of $4.50- $5.00 fuel dock prices
fuel consumption becomes a major consideration. The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

Depends on how you use the boat of course. If you're doing long
distance cruising it's very important, sitting at the dock as a party
boat, not so much. We've already done almost 1,000 miles this year
and will probably add another 3 or 4K by end of year. Even trawlers
get expensive at that rate.

On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! :)

You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?

I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before. And they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered
24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.

Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats. As in can't afford to run
them.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! :)

You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?

I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before. And they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered
24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.

Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats. As in can't afford to run
them.



But of course none of this has any impact on boat sales in the great
Pacific Northwest, where the summer boating season is one day long.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:36:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! :)

You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?

I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before. And they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered
24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.

Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats. As in can't afford to run
them.



But of course none of this has any impact on boat sales in the great
Pacific Northwest, where the summer boating season is one day long.

Perhaps you should subscribe to a source of information about boating in
the Northwest rather than making pronouncements showing your lack of
knowledge thereof.

Here, this may help:

Nor'westing Magazine
513 Bay St. #7
Port Orchard, WA 98366
Phone: 360-874-1992
Fax: 360-874-1987

Write them a letter, maybe they'll send you a copy.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

On Mar 20, 6:41�am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:36:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:





Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! *:)

You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?

I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before. *And they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered
24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.

Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats. *As in can't afford to run
them.

But of course none of this has any impact on boat sales in the great
Pacific Northwest, where the summer boating season is one day long.

Perhaps you should subscribe to a source of information about boating in
the Northwest rather than making pronouncements showing your lack of
knowledge thereof.

Here, this may help:

Nor'westing Magazine
513 Bay St. #7
Port Orchard, WA 98366
Phone: 360-874-1992
Fax: 360-874-1987

Write them a letter, maybe they'll send you a copy.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

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You googled up a really old addy and phone number.

I wouldn't normally volunteer contact info for our publication in the
NG, but since the door has been opened the info might as well be
correct.

For the last several years it has been:

PO Box 17002
Seattle, Wa 98127
206-216-0023 phone
206-216-0026 fax

On 20 Mar 2007 08:39:06 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

On Mar 20, 6:41?am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:36:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:





Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! :)

You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?

I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before.
nd they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered
24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.

Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats.
s in can't afford to run
them.

But of course none of this has any impact on boat sales in the great
Pacific Northwest, where the summer boating season is one day long.

Perhaps you should subscribe to a source of information about boating in
the Northwest rather than making pronouncements showing your lack of
knowledge thereof.

Here, this may help:

Nor'westing Magazine
513 Bay St. #7
Port Orchard, WA 98366
Phone: 360-874-1992
Fax: 360-874-1987

Write them a letter, maybe they'll send you a copy.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You googled up a really old addy and phone number.

I wouldn't normally volunteer contact info for our publication in the
NG, but since the door has been opened the info might as well be
correct.

For the last several years it has been:

PO Box 17002
Seattle, Wa 98127
206-216-0023 phone
206-216-0026 fax


When are they going to get a web site? I couldn't find one, but I'm not
overly perspicacious.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

On Mar 20, 10:36�am, John H. wrote:
On 20 Mar 2007 08:39:06 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:





On Mar 20, 6:41?am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:36:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! :)

You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?

I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before.

nd they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered 24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.

Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats.

s in can't afford to run





them.

But of course none of this has any impact on boat sales in the great
Pacific Northwest, where the summer boating season is one day long.

Perhaps you should subscribe to a source of information about boating in
the Northwest rather than making pronouncements showing your lack of
knowledge thereof.

Here, this may help:

Nor'westing Magazine
513 Bay St. #7
Port Orchard, WA 98366
Phone: 360-874-1992
Fax: 360-874-1987

Write them a letter, maybe they'll send you a copy.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * *John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You googled up a really old addy and phone number.

I wouldn't normally volunteer contact info for our publication in the
NG, but since the door has been opened the info might as well be
correct.

For the last several years it has been:

PO Box 17002
Seattle, Wa 98127
206-216-0023 phone
206-216-0026 fax

When are they going to get a web site? I couldn't find one, but I'm not
overly perspicacious.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * * John H- Hide quoted text -

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We do have a really terrible website. The publishers put both of their
boating periodicals on the same site, and it serves doesn't serve
either title very well.
I tell folks that "www" stands for "world's worst website" :-)

On Mar 20, 4:36�am, Harry Krause wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.

OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! *:)

You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?

I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before. *And they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered
24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.

Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats. *As in can't afford to run
them.

But of course none of this has any impact on boat sales in the great
Pacific Northwest, where the summer boating season is one day long.- Hide quoted text -

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That would be perfect for you, Harry. Our one-day summer would
coincide nicely with your annual usage of the Yo-Ho.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Mar 20, 4:36�am, Harry Krause wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 18:50:35 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:
The old saw that fuel
is so relatively inexpensive compared to the other aspects of boat
ownership that it shouldn't be a major consideration is a lot less
accurate than it once was.
OUTBOARDS RULE!!!! �:)
You know what's kind of interesting (not trying to get into the great
relative value debate) to me?
I'll bet I've seen at least 11 boats for sale on lawns that I've not
seen before. �And they are all in the smallish, inboard gas powered
24/28 foot category type boats - lot of Bayliners, one or two Stamas
and one with twin 454 Crusaders.
Being nosey as I am, I've stopped a couple of places and the common
issue seems to be gas milage on boats. �As in can't afford to run
them.
But of course none of this has any impact on boat sales in the great
Pacific Northwest, where the summer boating season is one day long.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That would be perfect for you, Harry. Our one-day summer would
coincide nicely with your annual usage of the Yo-Ho.




Hmmm. I keep the cabin locked, and without that key and the ignition
key...you'd have no way to see the engine hour meter.