On 17 Feb 2007 08:32:02 -0800, "Tim" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill

I always wondered why it seems that all the male members of Englands
Royal Familily become officers in the Royal Navy......

The French Navy sucked!
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*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

JLH wrote:
On 17 Feb 2007 08:32:02 -0800, "Tim" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill

I always wondered why it seems that all the male members of Englands
Royal Familily become officers in the Royal Navy......

The French Navy sucked!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

"sucked?"

When did they quit?

"JLH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:42:45 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
roups.com...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill

"That's all I can stands, and I can't stands no more!" POPEYE



One of my all-time favourite cartoon characters...
passed only by the likes of JohnH!


Well, two-thirds of the Neato Hazeltones are here!
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*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Ah ha! So now you're saying that Tim is a member.
Please make up your mind... you're confusing us all...and I would thimk Tim
in particular.

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:53:59 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JLH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:42:45 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
groups.com...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill

"That's all I can stands, and I can't stands no more!" POPEYE



One of my all-time favourite cartoon characters...
passed only by the likes of JohnH!


Well, two-thirds of the Neato Hazeltones are here!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Ah ha! So now you're saying that Tim is a member.
Please make up your mind... you're confusing us all...and I would thimk Tim
in particular.


Personally, Don, I think Tim has more sense than to pay much attention to
your confusion.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Tim wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill
I always wondered why it seems that all the male members of Englands
Royal Familily become officers in the Royal Navy......

The real reason "non-first born" children of royalty became officers in
the Royal Navy is it gave them an opportunity to make a fortune when
they captured the booty/ships during battle. The majority of the
family's fortune went to the first born, so the others kids had to
actually work for a living. Naval service was considered an honorable
field for Royalty to enter.

Does that mean that the Rum, sodomy, and the Lash, were perks of the
job?

As long as you are the one handing out the Rum, sodomy and the Lash it
is.

Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill

I always wondered why it seems that all the male members of Englands
Royal Familily become officers in the Royal Navy......

It's called the Rule of Prima Genitor. Basically, the first born son
inherits all the property, lands, titles, etc. The second born usually
went into either the Navy or Army with a title (no land) and was
expected to earn his own way (with political assistance from the first
born son). The Royal Navy has an interesting archive of officers and
when you look through it, you see a lot of enrollees with titles like
Midshipman Sir Rodney Somethingorother.

The Army was a little different in that commissions could be purchased
usually with a loan from the first born without any experience and
promotion was often a matter of money crossing hands. Naval commissions,
once the officer passed the Lieutenant boards, could also be purchased
but were usually the result of political pressure up to and past the
point of Posting which was a sort of "regular" Navy vs "reserve" Navy.

Third, fourth and fifth born sons were expected to join the Church
(England or Roman depending) and expected to make their way there.
Usually they were given parish assignments immediately after theology
school. Whatever political push they obtained was with assistance of
the first born.

First/second born daughters were considered major political alliance
tools by marriage, daughters after were sent to convent and either
became nuns or were used for minor marriage alliances. Occasionally,
only daughters were produced in which the lands were inherited by marriage.

That's how it basically was. There were variations depending on the
times and circumstances.

On Feb 17, 4:27 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill

I always wondered why it seems that all the male members of Englands
Royal Familily become officers in the Royal Navy......

It's called the Rule of Prima Genitor. Basically, the first born son
inherits all the property, lands, titles, etc. The second born usually
went into either the Navy or Army with a title (no land) and was
expected to earn his own way (with political assistance from the first
born son). The Royal Navy has an interesting archive of officers and
when you look through it, you see a lot of enrollees with titles like
Midshipman Sir Rodney Somethingorother.

The Army was a little different in that commissions could be purchased
usually with a loan from the first born without any experience and
promotion was often a matter of money crossing hands. Naval commissions,
once the officer passed the Lieutenant boards, could also be purchased
but were usually the result of political pressure up to and past the
point of Posting which was a sort of "regular" Navy vs "reserve" Navy.



First/second born daughters were considered major political alliance
tools by marriage, daughters after were sent to convent and either
became nuns or were used for minor marriage alliances. Occasionally,
only daughters were produced in which the lands were inherited by marriage.

So, is that the reason that most of the nobility of Europe and
northern Asia were all inbred?

Tim wrote:
On Feb 17, 4:27 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy
and the lash." Sir Winston Churchill
I always wondered why it seems that all the male members of Englands
Royal Familily become officers in the Royal Navy......
It's called the Rule of Prima Genitor. Basically, the first born son
inherits all the property, lands, titles, etc. The second born usually
went into either the Navy or Army with a title (no land) and was
expected to earn his own way (with political assistance from the first
born son). The Royal Navy has an interesting archive of officers and
when you look through it, you see a lot of enrollees with titles like
Midshipman Sir Rodney Somethingorother.

The Army was a little different in that commissions could be purchased
usually with a loan from the first born without any experience and
promotion was often a matter of money crossing hands. Naval commissions,
once the officer passed the Lieutenant boards, could also be purchased
but were usually the result of political pressure up to and past the
point of Posting which was a sort of "regular" Navy vs "reserve" Navy.


First/second born daughters were considered major political alliance
tools by marriage, daughters after were sent to convent and either
became nuns or were used for minor marriage alliances. Occasionally,
only daughters were produced in which the lands were inherited by marriage.

So, is that the reason that most of the nobility of Europe and
northern Asia were all inbred?

yes

Tim wrote:

So, is that the reason that most of the nobility of Europe and
northern Asia were all inbred?

There were other reasons.