On Feb 19, 10:32 am, "JohnKuthe" wrote:
On Feb 19, 2:20 am, Wilko wrote:





JohnKuthe wrote:
On Feb 15, 1:43 pm, "vk1nf" wrote:
Dry Suits - so, two years ago, we finally bit the bullet, and spent about
$600 each on dry suits - or to be accurate, semi-dry suits - Kokatat
SuperNova suits, breathable fabric, latex wrist seals, neoprene neck seal.
The suits aren't as water-tight as the full drysuit with a latex neck seal,
but they are more comfortable for us and more affordable.

Oh NOOOOO! Don't tell me Kokatat bought into the same "damp suit" crap
that that IR promulgated on to the boating community with it's comfy
neo neck, er...'gasket'!

Gimme full latex neck and wrist gaskets, and built-in booties in a
DRYsuit anyday! Anything else is just a damp suit! Yer either dry or
your not, yano? I'm dry! :-) I love my Kokatat GoreTEX drysuit with
latex neck and wrist gaskets. So much so that when I had the neck and
wrist gaskets replaced, I had Kokatat install a pee zipper too! Never
realized how many rapids I ran on a full bladder until I had my pee
zipper! :-)

Sorry John, having had "semi-dry" tops for the last decade, I disagree.
They keep the water out pretty well, and the ones I have now, one Delta
and one Palm with double neoprene neck gasket don't do any worse than my
latex gasket dry suit.

OK, but don't call them "drytops" because they are not! I call them
"damp tops" just to **** off the people who call them dry tops.
Keeping the water out "pretty well" is undoubtedly of great value, but
keeping the water out completely is better, and I don't think there's
anything better for doing that than a properly fitted latex gasket.

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

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I'm keeping out of this discussion, because I absolutely refuse to
agree with John Kuthe on ANYthing.

On Feb 19, 10:26 am, "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote:
On Feb 19, 10:32 am, "JohnKuthe" wrote:



On Feb 19, 2:20 am, Wilko wrote:

JohnKuthe wrote:
On Feb 15, 1:43 pm, "vk1nf" wrote:
Dry Suits - so, two years ago, we finally bit the bullet, and spent about
$600 each on dry suits - or to be accurate, semi-dry suits - Kokatat
SuperNova suits, breathable fabric, latex wrist seals, neoprene neck seal.
The suits aren't as water-tight as the full drysuit with a latex neck seal,
but they are more comfortable for us and more affordable.

Oh NOOOOO! Don't tell me Kokatat bought into the same "damp suit" crap
that that IR promulgated on to the boating community with it's comfy
neo neck, er...'gasket'!

Gimme full latex neck and wrist gaskets, and built-in booties in a
DRYsuit anyday! Anything else is just a damp suit! Yer either dry or
your not, yano? I'm dry! :-) I love my Kokatat GoreTEX drysuit with
latex neck and wrist gaskets. So much so that when I had the neck and
wrist gaskets replaced, I had Kokatat install a pee zipper too! Never
realized how many rapids I ran on a full bladder until I had my pee
zipper! :-)

Sorry John, having had "semi-dry" tops for the last decade, I disagree.
They keep the water out pretty well, and the ones I have now, one Delta
and one Palm with double neoprene neck gasket don't do any worse than my
latex gasket dry suit.

OK, but don't call them "drytops" because they are not! I call them
"damp tops" just to **** off the people who call them dry tops.
Keeping the water out "pretty well" is undoubtedly of great value, but
keeping the water out completely is better, and I don't think there's
anything better for doing that than a properly fitted latex gasket.

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm keeping out of this discussion, because I absolutely refuse to
agree with John Kuthe on ANYthing.

Talk about being arbitrarily contrary! ;-)

John Kuthe...

Wilko wrote:
Brian Nystrom wrote:

- For a wetsuit to function optimally, it must fit skin-tight and
allow as little water as possible to intrude (don't buy into the BS
that water in a wetsuit acts as insulation, it's a heatsink). Getting
the right fit can be difficult. Additionally, wetsuits are typically
designed for activities where one is standing or swimming, not
sitting, so the fit changes in a kayak. Custom wetsuits are available,
but they cost as much as a dry suit. The loose fit of a dry suit
eliminates these fit issues.

Kayaking wetsuits are designed to be used while sitting, so the fit is
right for a kayak. There are probably at least half a dozen
manufacturers that make those kayaking wetsuits, and usually they don't
cost more than 150 to 200 US$. Most people can't find a drysuit for that
price...

I have yet to see ANY wetsuit that's truly cut for sitting, but if you
say they exist, I'll take your word for it. It's not relevant for me as
I wouldn't buy one anyway since I hate wearing neoprene and it doesn't
offer any advantages for the type of paddling I do.

"JohnKuthe" wrote in message
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On Feb 15, 1:43 pm, "vk1nf" wrote:
Dry Suits - so, two years ago, we finally bit the bullet, and spent about
$600 each on dry suits - or to be accurate, semi-dry suits - Kokatat
SuperNova suits, breathable fabric, latex wrist seals, neoprene neck
seal.
The suits aren't as water-tight as the full drysuit with a latex neck
seal,
but they are more comfortable for us and more affordable.

Oh NOOOOO! Don't tell me Kokatat bought into the same "damp suit" crap
that that IR promulgated on to the boating community with it's comfy
neo neck, er...'gasket'!

Gimme full latex neck and wrist gaskets, and built-in booties in a
DRYsuit anyday! Anything else is just a damp suit! Yer either dry or
your not, yano? I'm dry! :-) I love my Kokatat GoreTEX drysuit with
latex neck and wrist gaskets. So much so that when I had the neck and
wrist gaskets replaced, I had Kokatat install a pee zipper too! Never
realized how many rapids I ran on a full bladder until I had my pee
zipper! :-)

PS: I bought my Kokatat drysuit from a guy I contacted via RBP, years
ago. Maybe 1998 or so, I think. He sold me his Kokatat drysuit because
he had just made Team Stohlquist, and was gonna be wearing a
Stohlquist drysuit from then on, I believe. $375 for a large Kokatat
GoreTEX drysuit in excellent condition, with built-in neo booties, and
he threw in the 100 weight Mountain Surf body stocking *and* a pair of
size 12 NRS overbooties for protecting the then neo booties in the
drysuit! What a deal, yano? Ahhh, those were the days on RBP! :-)

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe...



Who the f--k is Yano?
;-)


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