Chuck Gould wrote:
JimH wrote:
........cost you this year? How big is your dock and what amenities
does your marina offer?

For us, $1,525. Drive up dock, 25 foot floater with water, electric
and dock box. The marina has 250 slips total, a pool, clubhouse and
top notch mechanics. The owners (3rd generation) live on site.

http://www.romps.com/

We moved to this marina because of our bad experiences with the dufus
*OMC Certified* mechanics at the marina we were at last year.

So how about you?

Moved from open moorage (about $5k per year in a "public" marina) to
covered moorage at over $6k. My covered moorage is something of a
"deal", as the owner plans to leave the cover on and pass along the
cost of meeting the new fire codes. Will probably be $7k - $8k per year
at that point. It's possible to pay the same per month for open moorage
in this area if you don't shop carefully- and the moorage market
hereabouts is always a sellers market. Fixed or diminishing supply,
increasing demand.


It sounds like a deal, considering a 12 month moorage, the size of the
slip (based on what I know about your boat) and the fact that it is
covered.

Our contract is only from April 1 to November1.

Regarding Bassies comment about the pool......I agree to a point. When
boating conditions are right and the Lake temp is warm enough we prefer
to swim off the boat at our local swimming spots. However, there are
many times when bad seas keep us off the Lake. In those instances,
having a pool at the marina is a plus.

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:55:31 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:38:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

What kind of suntan lotion does everyone keep on board their boat? do
you prefer oil or lotion? How much do you normally use in a season?

I try to keep on of each on board, so I have one of each. I buy the big
bottle of generic lotion and one bottle will last the season.

What is everyone's else favorite?

Actually, I like vegetable oil with a little brown food coloring. The big
problem is the lack of brown food coloring. So, I've learned to mix a
little red and green coloring, then mix it with the cooking oil.

Mazola works well. Peanut oil leaves streaks. I think the SPF is higher for
peanut oil also. Olive oil works well if one likes a Mediterranean
complexion, which I don't.

JohnH,
By the way, what size bottle of oil do you normally buy and what do you
pay? Do you notice a difference between brands? Do you ever use the
Safeway private label?

Mazola, by the gallon. I then pour it into smaller, designer-label bottles.
I keep waiting for someone to accuse me of flaunting my wealth and being a
show off. When that happens I'll tell them I've really got Mazola in the
bottle!

I've not used the Safeway brand. The price of their tomatoes is too high
for me to invest in their vegetable oil.
--

John

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:22:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:38:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

What kind of suntan lotion does everyone keep on board their boat? do
you prefer oil or lotion? How much do you normally use in a season?

I try to keep on of each on board, so I have one of each. I buy the big
bottle of generic lotion and one bottle will last the season.

What is everyone's else favorite?

Nothing.

That's right - you heard me, nothing. :)

I don't wear shorts or sandals and I wear light colored UV cloth long
sleeved shirts along with a wide brimmed hat - even on the hottest
days.

Buncha pansies - sun blocker - phffftt....

SWF,
When you have a killer body like mine, all of the dock girls want you to
walk around without a shirt on. Most of them prefer to rub oil on my
chest and back, but I prefer a SPF 15 lotion. It does not get the seats
and gunwales all slick.

There are things to be said about slickness when discussing girls, oil
rubbing, seats and gunwales all at the same time.

But, since this is a family group, I won't go into it.
--

John

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:26:32 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:38:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

What kind of suntan lotion does everyone keep on board their boat?
do you prefer oil or lotion? How much do you normally use in a season?

I try to keep on of each on board, so I have one of each. I buy the
big bottle of generic lotion and one bottle will last the season.

What is everyone's else favorite?

Nothing.

That's right - you heard me, nothing. :)

I don't wear shorts or sandals and I wear light colored UV cloth long
sleeved shirts along with a wide brimmed hat - even on the hottest
days.

Buncha pansies - sun blocker - phffftt....

SWF,
When you have a killer body like mine, all of the dock girls want you to
walk around without a shirt on. Most of them prefer to rub oil on my
chest and back, but I prefer a SPF 15 lotion. It does not get the seats
and gunwales all slick.

ps - I used to only use Baseball/Sailor Caps for head gear because they
were cheap and if they blew off, I had 5 more down below. But I have
since started using a wide brim Tilley Hat which protects the whole face
and back of the neck. The neck strap also holds the hat on when you are
underway.

Do you enjoy the strangulation effect given by the neckstrap when you go on
plane?

Also, keep in mind that a few *very* bright people here are proclaiming you
to be boatless. So, these statements about 'getting underway' are taken
with a grain of salt (kosher sea salt, of course).
--

John

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:26:32 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:38:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

What kind of suntan lotion does everyone keep on board their boat?
do you prefer oil or lotion? How much do you normally use in a season?

I try to keep on of each on board, so I have one of each. I buy the
big bottle of generic lotion and one bottle will last the season.

What is everyone's else favorite?
Nothing.

That's right - you heard me, nothing. :)

I don't wear shorts or sandals and I wear light colored UV cloth long
sleeved shirts along with a wide brimmed hat - even on the hottest
days.

Buncha pansies - sun blocker - phffftt....
SWF,
When you have a killer body like mine, all of the dock girls want you to
walk around without a shirt on. Most of them prefer to rub oil on my
chest and back, but I prefer a SPF 15 lotion. It does not get the seats
and gunwales all slick.
ps - I used to only use Baseball/Sailor Caps for head gear because they
were cheap and if they blew off, I had 5 more down below. But I have
since started using a wide brim Tilley Hat which protects the whole face
and back of the neck. The neck strap also holds the hat on when you are
underway.

Do you enjoy the strangulation effect given by the neckstrap when you go on
plane?

Also, keep in mind that a few *very* bright people here are proclaiming you
to be boatless. So, these statements about 'getting underway' are taken
with a grain of salt (kosher sea salt, of course).

The strap on the Tilley is much easier on my neck than the "Hat Grabber"
was on my baseball caps, the clip would attach to the back of the hat,
and the back of my shirt. When it would fall off my head it would fly
back and forth, and beat me within an inch of my life, before I slowed
down or it pulled loose and flew off the transom.

I have been around Usenet long enough to know some people do like to
fabricate stories, so if someone wants to believe I do not have a boat,
no picture or elaborate story or "eye witnesses" will change their mind.
I really don't post in rec.boats to boost my ego, so it is really no
big deal.

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Buncha pansies - sun blocker - phffftt....

Have you been to a dermatologist lately? If not, it might be time.
Just sitting in the waiting room and watching the other patients come
and go can scare you off to the sun screen store in a hurry.

I use SPF 50. If you need sunscreen there's no sense fooling aroung
with the wimpy stuff. SPF 50 doesn't cost anymore, is just as easy to
apply, and it lasts longer.

wrote:
On 8 Jan 2007 09:04:15 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Do not try to keep your rates down to where your
slips are always filled. Shoot for about a 20% vacancy rate.
When you are 20% vacant because of higher rates, your overall revenue
will be more than it was with all of the slips filled at a lower rate
and your expenses will be less because you are providing services to
fewer boats."

Truth is, they can raise the cost of moorage as much as they want to-
and for folks who want to own and enjoy a boat too large to haul out
onto a trailer and park in the driveway (consequently pizzing off the
neighbors) there are few alternatives.


That sounds like the free market at work. If your boat is really that
big, mooring is not your biggest expense. Our problem in SW Florida is
there is not enough dock space at any price. (using business logic) I
doubt we would ever have universal 20% vacancy. Most decent marinas
have a waiting list and a guy standing there with a multimillion
dollar check, wanting to buy him out. I said upthread a ways, they are
selling "dockaminium" space for $300.000 plus a monthly fee and that
is for a boat you could trailer.

Precisely. I don't have a problem with it on an intellectual basis, but
emotionally I hate to see the toll it takes on the folks who can
barely afford to be in boating to begin with. Aside from the "nothing
down and $15 a day" hype at the boat shows- the truth is that there are
a number of expensive hobbies out there, and boating can be one of
them. Bring big bucks, or choose a minimalist experience.

I doubt that we'll ever see 20% vacancies, in real life, in the Pacific
NW. What we will see is the folks of modest means being under
increasing financial pressure. But as a landlord I absolutely have to
understand. I don't set rents based on what I paid for a house back in
the 70's, they're set at what the market will bear. Can't expect the
marina owner to do any differently.

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:31:46 -0500, wrote:

On 8 Jan 2007 08:55:05 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:

I find it amazing that people won't get into their local waters, but
need a pool.

That's a guy who never saw a Chesapeake Bay sea nettle.

Isn't that the truth!

I saw a 5 or 6 year old jump from his dad's boat into the bay last summer
at a little boater's beach we frequent. He had his life vest on, and jumped
right into a few nettles. They got pushed up under the jacket and began
stinging the kid. The poor kid was screaming his head off until someone had
the sense to take his life jacket off. By then the kid was petrified of the
water and the vest. It was a damn shame. Hope he got over it.
--

John

JimH wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
JimH wrote:
........cost you this year? How big is your dock and what amenities
does your marina offer?

For us, $1,525. Drive up dock, 25 foot floater with water, electric
and dock box. The marina has 250 slips total, a pool, clubhouse and
top notch mechanics. The owners (3rd generation) live on site.

http://www.romps.com/

We moved to this marina because of our bad experiences with the dufus
*OMC Certified* mechanics at the marina we were at last year.

So how about you?

Moved from open moorage (about $5k per year in a "public" marina) to
covered moorage at over $6k. My covered moorage is something of a
"deal", as the owner plans to leave the cover on and pass along the
cost of meeting the new fire codes. Will probably be $7k - $8k per year
at that point. It's possible to pay the same per month for open moorage
in this area if you don't shop carefully- and the moorage market
hereabouts is always a sellers market. Fixed or diminishing supply,
increasing demand.


It sounds like a deal, considering a 12 month moorage, the size of the
slip (based on what I know about your boat) and the fact that it is
covered.

Our contract is only from April 1 to November1.

Regarding Bassies comment about the pool......I agree to a point. When
boating conditions are right and the Lake temp is warm enough we prefer
to swim off the boat at our local swimming spots. However, there are
many times when bad seas keep us off the Lake. In those instances,
having a pool at the marina is a plus.

If the weather is crappy enough to keep you off of the lake, then isn't
it usually crappy enough to keep you out of the pool??

wrote:
On 8 Jan 2007 08:55:05 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:

I find it amazing that people won't get into their local waters, but
need a pool.

That's a guy who never saw a Chesapeake Bay sea nettle.

No, but I've seen many, many sea nettles. Also, owning a home pool,
I've read a lot about commercial pool water quality. At least the urine
and feces that makes it's way to a lot of waterways is treated first!