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basskisser January 14th 07 04:27 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

Tim wrote:
basskisser wrote:
I sure DO, I own one, my neighbor just had one installed, and my
in-laws in Pleasant Hill had one installed. Would you like me to put
you in touch with them so you won't get hosed more and more?


We'll never know.... ?:


I DO know. You, however, have shown yourself to be clueless.


basskisser January 14th 07 04:29 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just like clock work! Every time I prove you don't know what you're
talking about, you start that childish name calling. You've failed
miserably to answer my above questions, once again proving you don't
know what you're talking about.


You proved only that you do not know what a pool costs.


I sure DO, I own one, my neighbor just had one installed, and my
in-laws in Pleasant Hill had one installed. Would you like me to put
you in touch with them so you won't get hosed more and more?


Sure. You can email me with their names and numbers and I will talk to
them.

Sure, as soon as you give me the names and phone numbers of YOUR
neighbors. Deal? Or are you just trying to act stupid?


JimH January 14th 07 04:44 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
ps.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just like clock work! Every time I prove you don't know what you're
talking about, you start that childish name calling. You've failed
miserably to answer my above questions, once again proving you don't
know what you're talking about.


You proved only that you do not know what a pool costs.

I sure DO, I own one, my neighbor just had one installed, and my
in-laws in Pleasant Hill had one installed. Would you like me to put
you in touch with them so you won't get hosed more and more?


Sure. You can email me with their names and numbers and I will talk to
them.

Sure, as soon as you give me the names and phone numbers of YOUR
neighbors. Deal? Or are you just trying to act stupid?


For crying out loud.....do you have to argue over everything?

You offered, I accepted.

PS Listen to the words..........
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...08109000603799



basskisser January 14th 07 06:31 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ps.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just like clock work! Every time I prove you don't know what you're
talking about, you start that childish name calling. You've failed
miserably to answer my above questions, once again proving you don't
know what you're talking about.


You proved only that you do not know what a pool costs.

I sure DO, I own one, my neighbor just had one installed, and my
in-laws in Pleasant Hill had one installed. Would you like me to put
you in touch with them so you won't get hosed more and more?


Sure. You can email me with their names and numbers and I will talk to
them.

Sure, as soon as you give me the names and phone numbers of YOUR
neighbors. Deal? Or are you just trying to act stupid?


For crying out loud.....do you have to argue over everything?

You offered, I accepted.

Don't like it because you're wrong, huh? Typical.


Tim January 14th 07 06:45 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

basskisser wrote:

I DO know. You, however, have shown yourself to be clueless.



no, i haven't


Calif Bill January 14th 07 06:47 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just like clock work! Every time I prove you don't know what you're
talking about, you start that childish name calling. You've failed
miserably to answer my above questions, once again proving you don't
know what you're talking about.


You proved only that you do not know what a pool costs.


I sure DO, I own one, my neighbor just had one installed, and my
in-laws in Pleasant Hill had one installed. Would you like me to put
you in touch with them so you won't get hosed more and more?


You can not even prove you are a college graduate.



JimH January 14th 07 07:30 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ps.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just like clock work! Every time I prove you don't know what
you're
talking about, you start that childish name calling. You've
failed
miserably to answer my above questions, once again proving you
don't
know what you're talking about.


You proved only that you do not know what a pool costs.

I sure DO, I own one, my neighbor just had one installed, and my
in-laws in Pleasant Hill had one installed. Would you like me to put
you in touch with them so you won't get hosed more and more?


Sure. You can email me with their names and numbers and I will talk
to
them.

Sure, as soon as you give me the names and phone numbers of YOUR
neighbors. Deal? Or are you just trying to act stupid?


For crying out loud.....do you have to argue over everything?

You offered, I accepted.

PS Listen to the words..........
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...08109000603799


Don't like it because you're wrong, huh? Typical.


ROTF!!

BTW: Have you listened to the words in the song yet?

If not, here is the link once again:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...08109000603799

Give it a listen. It may make you realize that there are lots of things in
life to be happy about. Maybe then you will stop being so argumentative and
mean spirited to everyone you reply to here. ;-)



basskisser January 15th 07 12:35 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just like clock work! Every time I prove you don't know what you're
talking about, you start that childish name calling. You've failed
miserably to answer my above questions, once again proving you don't
know what you're talking about.


You proved only that you do not know what a pool costs.


I sure DO, I own one, my neighbor just had one installed, and my
in-laws in Pleasant Hill had one installed. Would you like me to put
you in touch with them so you won't get hosed more and more?


You can not even prove you are a college graduate.


Sure I can. I've not seen any evidence that you are, though. But, what
does that have to do with my above answer and question, Bill?


basskisser January 15th 07 12:37 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

wrote:
On 13 Jan 2007 07:05:13 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Depends on size, shape, options, etc. My neighbor's inground concrete
pool, with splash over spa, fiber optic lights, all of the bells and
whistles, was around 15k. My rectangular was 12k.


That sounds like a terrific deal. It cost $7,500 just to dig and shoot
the shotcrete in my 15x30 pool (internal contractor price). That is
just the shell, no plumbing, tile, coping, electric, equipment or
deck. I suspect your neighbor is hiding some of his cost to make
himself feel better.


Nope. There is no "deck" involved. Plumbing, electrical and equipment
came with the package.


basskisser January 15th 07 08:07 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

wrote:
On 15 Jan 2007 04:37:17 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Nope. There is no "deck" involved. Plumbing, electrical and equipment
came with the package.



He just has mud next to the pool?


No.



How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard


It's still not $125 per yard here.


Calif Bill January 16th 07 05:59 AM

What did your boat dock..................
 

wrote in message
...
On 15 Jan 2007 12:07:38 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard


It's still not $125 per yard here.



Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.



basskisser January 16th 07 12:38 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 15 Jan 2007 12:07:38 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard

It's still not $125 per yard here.



Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.


Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


basskisser January 16th 07 12:39 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:59:22 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard

It's still not $125 per yard here.


Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.


The buck and a quarter is my wife's price last fall (national home
builder) and they were buying hundreds of trucks a week in the
tri-county area from Cemex/Krehling. When we did our driveway she
called in a favor and got the Krehling employee price, $107 a yd on 27
yards.


Right around $90 right now. It got to $95 at one time for awhile.


Don White January 16th 07 04:19 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.



basskisser January 16th 07 05:29 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

Don White wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.


Oh, no! He'll tell you that it's the best pool ever built anywhere in
the world! It's built with that special concrete that weighs two tons a
yard! Carbon fiber reinforcing, no doubt. Semi-precious stone course
aggregate, with fine aggregate being sand shipped from the Sahara just
for him, and water from Alaska's most pristine glacier runoff. The
cement (although he's claimed here in error that concrete IS cement) is
made from the best clinker in the world, and has been tested to ensure
the gypsum content is at 5% but not exceeding in order to obtain a
proper set time. Every chemical, and every piece of hardware is the
best money can buy, lest he be labeled a "cheap *******".


JohnH January 16th 07 05:33 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:04 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.

basskisser January 16th 07 05:40 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:04 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.


What does this have to do with boats?


basskisser January 16th 07 06:54 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 04:39:35 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:59:22 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard

It's still not $125 per yard here.


Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.

The buck and a quarter is my wife's price last fall (national home
builder) and they were buying hundreds of trucks a week in the
tri-county area from Cemex/Krehling. When we did our driveway she
called in a favor and got the Krehling employee price, $107 a yd on 27
yards.


Right around $90 right now. It got to $95 at one time for awhile.



You folks probably don't use as much concrete there. I remember stick
built homes with siding or stucco over wood.
We are CBS here


Actually there's a lot of concrete used here, just not for residential
construction. I honestly don't know what drives the prices, they
fluctuate quite a lot around here from month to month, and there really
doesn't seem to be any correlation to fuel prices, etc. I do know that
the price and availability of clinker has gone up some, and not come
down. I design a lot of industrial systems and such and when I do so, I
check prices of concrete so that I can come up with an economical
concrete/reinf. scenario. If the concrete you are designing isn't a
tension member, then you can play with the amount of reinforcing vs.
the concrete thickness to be economical. If it's a tension member, you
just have to have a given amount of reinforcing. Concrete sucks in
tension.


Reginald P. Smithers III January 16th 07 07:01 PM

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wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 04:38:30 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?


Where are you getting that. Gravel mix concrete is 150# per square
foot according to everything I have heard. That is a tad over 4000#
per yard.
Maybe there is some air entrained concrete with a lighter aggregate
that gets that light and something like Y-Tong will actually float.
If you order the normal "3000# gravel pump mix" it will be about 2
tons a yard. The 3000# refers to the compressive strengh, not the
weight.


You are correct, but it is useless discussing facts with someone who has
no desire to hear the truth. As you and Bill mentioned a cubic yard
would weigh about 4050 lbs. My guess is he mixed up concrete with
Portland cement which would weight approximately 2500 lbs per cubic
yard. I am sure it is very easy for a structural engineer to confuse
Concrete with Portland Cement.

basskisser January 16th 07 07:18 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 04:38:30 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?


Where are you getting that. Gravel mix concrete is 150# per square
foot according to everything I have heard. That is a tad over 4000#
per yard.


Nope, you are wrong. 150 is a common design number that just isn't
true. It's got a factor of safety in there.

Look at a mix design. That will tell you the REAL weight of a yard of
normal weight concrete. One I just pulled out has a total volume of
1.02 yards and weighs 3300#, for a 3000 psi mix, not air entrained
because it's an interior floor design.

Maybe there is some air entrained concrete with a lighter aggregate
that gets that light and something like Y-Tong will actually float.
If you order the normal "3000# gravel pump mix" it will be about 2
tons a yard. The 3000# refers to the compressive strengh, not the
weight.


No, it won't. And yes, I fully understand the compressive strength of
concrete. Normal weight aggegate, non air entrained. Well, that's a tad
of a misnomer, there is ALWAYS a bit of air entrained into the mix, you
have to mix it some how. But, as long as it's under 2%, it's not
considered air entrained, per ACI 301.


basskisser January 16th 07 07:21 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 04:38:30 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?


Where are you getting that. Gravel mix concrete is 150# per square
foot according to everything I have heard. That is a tad over 4000#
per yard.
Maybe there is some air entrained concrete with a lighter aggregate
that gets that light and something like Y-Tong will actually float.
If you order the normal "3000# gravel pump mix" it will be about 2
tons a yard. The 3000# refers to the compressive strengh, not the
weight.


You are correct, but it is useless discussing facts with someone who has
no desire to hear the truth. As you and Bill mentioned a cubic yard
would weigh about 4050 lbs. My guess is he mixed up concrete with
Portland cement which would weight approximately 2500 lbs per cubic
yard. I am sure it is very easy for a structural engineer to confuse
Concrete with Portland Cement.


Nope, dead wrong. I have several mix design sheets that will show you
very wrong. 2500 pounds of Portland cement per yard???????
You ARE kidding, right?!!!!! Try around 450 for a #4000 psi mix design,
and say, less than 400 for a #3000 psi design! Are you REALLY saying
that a yard of concrete weighs better than 2 tons? Care to have me cut
and paste some design mixes for you?


Don White January 16th 07 08:09 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.



John...do you ever think for yourself rather than parrot someone else's
lines?



Reginald P. Smithers III January 16th 07 08:46 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 04:38:30 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Where are you getting that. Gravel mix concrete is 150# per square
foot according to everything I have heard. That is a tad over 4000#
per yard.
Maybe there is some air entrained concrete with a lighter aggregate
that gets that light and something like Y-Tong will actually float.
If you order the normal "3000# gravel pump mix" it will be about 2
tons a yard. The 3000# refers to the compressive strengh, not the
weight.

You are correct, but it is useless discussing facts with someone who has
no desire to hear the truth. As you and Bill mentioned a cubic yard
would weigh about 4050 lbs. My guess is he mixed up concrete with
Portland cement which would weight approximately 2500 lbs per cubic
yard. I am sure it is very easy for a structural engineer to confuse
Concrete with Portland Cement.


Nope, dead wrong. I have several mix design sheets that will show you
very wrong. 2500 pounds of Portland cement per yard???????
You ARE kidding, right?!!!!! Try around 450 for a #4000 psi mix design,
and say, less than 400 for a #3000 psi design! Are you REALLY saying
that a yard of concrete weighs better than 2 tons? Care to have me cut
and paste some design mixes for you?



http://www.petermanconcrete.com/faq.shtml


JohnH January 16th 07 09:01 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:09:00 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.



John...do you ever think for yourself rather than parrot someone else's
lines?


Hit home, huh?
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H

Don White January 16th 07 10:43 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:09:00 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.



John...do you ever think for yourself rather than parrot someone else's
lines?


Hit home, huh?
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H


Of course... it's my line you've plagiarized.



JohnH January 17th 07 12:00 AM

What did your boat dock..................
 
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:43:08 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:09:00 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.


John...do you ever think for yourself rather than parrot someone else's
lines?


Hit home, huh?
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H


Of course... it's my line you've plagiarized.


For sure it's not mine. I try to be careful with my spelling. It was a good
line, you should try to practice what you preach.
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H

Calif Bill January 17th 07 03:27 AM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.


Yup, it is a $50k replacement vinyl pool just like *asskissers. I happen to
live in an upscale area, not like you and *asskisser.

A little info on my community.
http://www.homegain.com/local_real_e...leasanton.html



Calif Bill January 17th 07 03:27 AM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Don White wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.


Oh, no! He'll tell you that it's the best pool ever built anywhere in
the world! It's built with that special concrete that weighs two tons a
yard! Carbon fiber reinforcing, no doubt. Semi-precious stone course
aggregate, with fine aggregate being sand shipped from the Sahara just
for him, and water from Alaska's most pristine glacier runoff. The
cement (although he's claimed here in error that concrete IS cement) is
made from the best clinker in the world, and has been tested to ensure
the gypsum content is at 5% but not exceeding in order to obtain a
proper set time. Every chemical, and every piece of hardware is the
best money can buy, lest he be labeled a "cheap *******".


What does this have to do with boats?



Calif Bill January 17th 07 03:30 AM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 04:38:30 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a
ton
and a half?
Where are you getting that. Gravel mix concrete is 150# per square
foot according to everything I have heard. That is a tad over 4000#
per yard.
Maybe there is some air entrained concrete with a lighter aggregate
that gets that light and something like Y-Tong will actually float.
If you order the normal "3000# gravel pump mix" it will be about 2
tons a yard. The 3000# refers to the compressive strengh, not the
weight.
You are correct, but it is useless discussing facts with someone who has
no desire to hear the truth. As you and Bill mentioned a cubic yard
would weigh about 4050 lbs. My guess is he mixed up concrete with
Portland cement which would weight approximately 2500 lbs per cubic
yard. I am sure it is very easy for a structural engineer to confuse
Concrete with Portland Cement.


Nope, dead wrong. I have several mix design sheets that will show you
very wrong. 2500 pounds of Portland cement per yard???????
You ARE kidding, right?!!!!! Try around 450 for a #4000 psi mix design,
and say, less than 400 for a #3000 psi design! Are you REALLY saying
that a yard of concrete weighs better than 2 tons? Care to have me cut
and paste some design mixes for you?



http://www.petermanconcrete.com/faq.shtml


And you are a PE *asskisser?



Jack Goff January 17th 07 05:39 AM

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:46:10 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Are you REALLY saying
that a yard of concrete weighs better than 2 tons? Care to have me cut
and paste some design mixes for you?



http://www.petermanconcrete.com/faq.shtml


Quoted from the website Reggie gave us.

"Q. How much does a yard of concrete weigh?"

"A. Approximately 4000 lbs. per cubic yard."

From other websites:

"Size & Weight
The mixer empty weight is 2,900 lbs. It is 15' 6" long depending on
hitch size, 7' 5" wide including guards and 8' 4" high in load
configuration. The mixer holds 2.75 yards stationary and 2.0 yards on
the road. A yard weighs approximately 4,200 lbs. so road weight is
approximately 11,500 lbs loaded."
http://www.con-crete.com/2-yd-mixer.htm

How much does a concrete truck weigh?
If a truck is carrying 10 cubic yards, then the weight of the concrete
is approximately 40,000 lb. The truck will weigh approximately 26,000
lb. for a total of 66,000 lb.
http://www.tx-taca.org/concretefaq.htm#How_much_does

"The Revolution composite drum by Dodge Center, Minn.-based McNeilus
Truck & Mfg. is 2000 pounds lighter than traditional steel drums. This
means a ready-mix truck can carry an extra one-half cubic yard of
concrete per load. Then, after the concrete is poured, the lighter
weight results in annual fuel savings of $400 to $700 per truck, says
McNeilus."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...3/ai_n14712121

Maybe you *should* post links to verifiable sites backing up your
assertion that shows concrete to be 3000lbs per yard. It seems no one
else agrees with you.


Mike January 17th 07 06:16 AM

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*asskisser will tell you it's nighttime in the middle of the day. He's the
biggest waste of time I've *ever* come across. He's an idiot. Just friggin'
unbelievable.

--Mike


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:46:10 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Are you REALLY saying
that a yard of concrete weighs better than 2 tons? Care to have me cut
and paste some design mixes for you?



http://www.petermanconcrete.com/faq.shtml


Quoted from the website Reggie gave us.

"Q. How much does a yard of concrete weigh?"

"A. Approximately 4000 lbs. per cubic yard."

From other websites:

"Size & Weight
The mixer empty weight is 2,900 lbs. It is 15' 6" long depending on
hitch size, 7' 5" wide including guards and 8' 4" high in load
configuration. The mixer holds 2.75 yards stationary and 2.0 yards on
the road. A yard weighs approximately 4,200 lbs. so road weight is
approximately 11,500 lbs loaded."
http://www.con-crete.com/2-yd-mixer.htm

How much does a concrete truck weigh?
If a truck is carrying 10 cubic yards, then the weight of the concrete
is approximately 40,000 lb. The truck will weigh approximately 26,000
lb. for a total of 66,000 lb.
http://www.tx-taca.org/concretefaq.htm#How_much_does

"The Revolution composite drum by Dodge Center, Minn.-based McNeilus
Truck & Mfg. is 2000 pounds lighter than traditional steel drums. This
means a ready-mix truck can carry an extra one-half cubic yard of
concrete per load. Then, after the concrete is poured, the lighter
weight results in annual fuel savings of $400 to $700 per truck, says
McNeilus."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...3/ai_n14712121

Maybe you *should* post links to verifiable sites backing up your
assertion that shows concrete to be 3000lbs per yard. It seems no one
else agrees with you.




JohnH January 17th 07 12:38 PM

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:16:50 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

*asskisser will tell you it's nighttime in the middle of the day. He's the
biggest waste of time I've *ever* come across. He's an idiot. Just friggin'
unbelievable.

--Mike




What is unbelievable is that folks who consider themselves intelligent will
spend so much time arguing with him!
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JohnH January 17th 07 01:14 PM

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:42:56 GMT, SPAM Avenger wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:38:15 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:16:50 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

*asskisser will tell you it's nighttime in the middle of the day. He's the
biggest waste of time I've *ever* come across. He's an idiot. Just friggin'
unbelievable.


What is unbelievable is that folks who consider themselves intelligent will
spend so much time arguing with him!


I have this theory that Basskisser and Dan are the same person.

It's a Sybil kind of deal.


It's more than just Dan. There are a few here who seem to need a boost to
their ego, so they do it by taking on basskisser.
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Don White January 17th 07 03:01 PM

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:16:50 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

*asskisser will tell you it's nighttime in the middle of the day. He's the
biggest waste of time I've *ever* come across. He's an idiot. Just
friggin'
unbelievable.

--Mike




*What is unbelievable is that folks who consider themselves intelligent
will
spend so much time arguing with him!*
--
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***** Have a super day! *****
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John H


In your own wacky way you are right John. Those 'folks' would do well to
get a second opinion on their intelligence.



JohnH January 17th 07 04:04 PM

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:01:49 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:16:50 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

*asskisser will tell you it's nighttime in the middle of the day. He's the
biggest waste of time I've *ever* come across. He's an idiot. Just
friggin'
unbelievable.

--Mike




*What is unbelievable is that folks who consider themselves intelligent
will
spend so much time arguing with him!*
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H


In your own wacky way you are right John. Those 'folks' would do well to
get a second opinion on their intelligence.


Even with their faults, Don, they're several rungs above you on the ladder,
and that includes basskisser. *They* don't keep their nose up Harry's butt!
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John H

JohnH January 17th 07 04:07 PM

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:21:20 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/17/2007 10:01 AM, Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:16:50 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

*asskisser will tell you it's nighttime in the middle of the day. He's the
biggest waste of time I've *ever* come across. He's an idiot. Just
friggin'
unbelievable.

--Mike

*What is unbelievable is that folks who consider themselves intelligent
will
spend so much time arguing with him!*
--
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***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H


In your own wacky way you are right John. Those 'folks' would do well to
get a second opinion on their intelligence.




I suppose that Herring, now that he no longer really has a boat and also
cannot play golf very well and also gave up substitute teaching, has
nothing to do with his time, has made himself available as full-time
newsgroup snark.


Harry, your statements about my boat display your inability to comprehend.
Of course, Don must have the same problem as he seems to believe you.

Done much boating lately, Harry?
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Don White January 17th 07 04:28 PM

What did your boat dock..................
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Even with their faults, Don, they're several rungs above you on the
ladder,
and that includes basskisser. *They* don't keep their nose up Harry's
butt!
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***** Have a super day! *****
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John H



Well thank you John.
You're creeping out of the closet a bit more each day, revealing the real
John Herring, and proving Harry right with every post you make.
Please carry on!



JohnH January 17th 07 04:34 PM

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:28:27 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Even with their faults, Don, they're several rungs above you on the
ladder,
and that includes basskisser. *They* don't keep their nose up Harry's
butt!
--
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***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H



Well thank you John.
You're creeping out of the closet a bit more each day, revealing the real
John Herring, and proving Harry right with every post you make.
Please carry on!


You're most welcome!

Of course Harry's right. He wouldn't be nearly so neat a guy if he were
left!
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John H

JohnH January 17th 07 04:37 PM

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:35:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/17/2007 11:28 AM, Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
Even with their faults, Don, they're several rungs above you on the
ladder,
and that includes basskisser. *They* don't keep their nose up Harry's
butt!
--
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***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H



Well thank you John.
You're creeping out of the closet a bit more each day, revealing the real
John Herring, and proving Harry right with every post you make.
Please carry on!




You know, if you add up all the totally useless, mostly non-boating,
consistently garbage-dumping posters here, you'll discover that 90% of
them are on the right politically.

Dreck like Herring, Reggie, Jackoff, Fritz, Gawkin', and their latest
fake names here add virtually nothing of interest. They're here to toss
their little insult bombs.

That's why they live in my bozo bin.


But this post of Harry's, on the other hand, displays the epitome of useful
boating posts!

What a neat guy!
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John H

Dan January 18th 07 01:58 AM

What did your boat dock..................
 
Don White wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:16:50 GMT, "Mike" wrote:


*asskisser will tell you it's nighttime in the middle of the day. He's the
biggest waste of time I've *ever* come across. He's an idiot. Just
friggin'
unbelievable.

--Mike


*What is unbelievable is that folks who consider themselves intelligent
will
spend so much time arguing with him!*
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H



In your own wacky way you are right John. Those 'folks' would do well to
get a second opinion on their intelligence.



When was you last non confrontational post, Don?

On another note...do all Canadians drive slow in the left lane or is it
just the old Canadians? I can't wait for spring...

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