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On 15 Jan 2007 12:07:38 -0800, "basskisser"
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How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard

It's still not $125 per yard here.


Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.

Calif Bill wrote:
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On 15 Jan 2007 12:07:38 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard

It's still not $125 per yard here.


Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:59:22 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard

It's still not $125 per yard here.


Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.

The buck and a quarter is my wife's price last fall (national home
builder) and they were buying hundreds of trucks a week in the
tri-county area from Cemex/Krehling. When we did our driveway she
called in a favor and got the Krehling employee price, $107 a yd on 27
yards.

Right around $90 right now. It got to $95 at one time for awhile.

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.

Don White wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.

Oh, no! He'll tell you that it's the best pool ever built anywhere in
the world! It's built with that special concrete that weighs two tons a
yard! Carbon fiber reinforcing, no doubt. Semi-precious stone course
aggregate, with fine aggregate being sand shipped from the Sahara just
for him, and water from Alaska's most pristine glacier runoff. The
cement (although he's claimed here in error that concrete IS cement) is
made from the best clinker in the world, and has been tested to ensure
the gypsum content is at 5% but not exceeding in order to obtain a
proper set time. Every chemical, and every piece of hardware is the
best money can buy, lest he be labeled a "cheap *******".

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:04 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:04 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?
Do you want me to put you in touch with my in-laws so that you can get
your pool done without getting screwed?

Concrete here is less than $90 right now.


Cali Bill's pool is more likely one of those Dolfino vinyl mushroom above
ground types.

I challange you to accept personal responsibility to be an on topic
poster here and not a liability to the newsgroup.

What does this have to do with boats?

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On 16 Jan 2007 04:39:35 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:59:22 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


How long ago was this? It must have
been before concrete went to $125 a yard

It's still not $125 per yard here.


Maybe that is part of the confusion. $125/yd is just a metaphor for
all of the prices that spiked in places where the housing boom,
boomed. Everything got very expensive, including labor.
The funny thing is, it has not really got much cheaper and things are
slow.

Of course you Hotlanta guys have the cheap gasoline too.



It is more than $125 a yard here to most buyers. More like $150. And I am
30 miles from Pleasant Hill.

The buck and a quarter is my wife's price last fall (national home
builder) and they were buying hundreds of trucks a week in the
tri-county area from Cemex/Krehling. When we did our driveway she
called in a favor and got the Krehling employee price, $107 a yd on 27
yards.

Right around $90 right now. It got to $95 at one time for awhile.


You folks probably don't use as much concrete there. I remember stick
built homes with siding or stucco over wood.
We are CBS here

Actually there's a lot of concrete used here, just not for residential
construction. I honestly don't know what drives the prices, they
fluctuate quite a lot around here from month to month, and there really
doesn't seem to be any correlation to fuel prices, etc. I do know that
the price and availability of clinker has gone up some, and not come
down. I design a lot of industrial systems and such and when I do so, I
check prices of concrete so that I can come up with an economical
concrete/reinf. scenario. If the concrete you are designing isn't a
tension member, then you can play with the amount of reinforcing vs.
the concrete thickness to be economical. If it's a tension member, you
just have to have a given amount of reinforcing. Concrete sucks in
tension.

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On 16 Jan 2007 04:38:30 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?

Where are you getting that. Gravel mix concrete is 150# per square
foot according to everything I have heard. That is a tad over 4000#
per yard.
Maybe there is some air entrained concrete with a lighter aggregate
that gets that light and something like Y-Tong will actually float.
If you order the normal "3000# gravel pump mix" it will be about 2
tons a yard. The 3000# refers to the compressive strengh, not the
weight.

You are correct, but it is useless discussing facts with someone who has
no desire to hear the truth. As you and Bill mentioned a cubic yard
would weigh about 4050 lbs. My guess is he mixed up concrete with
Portland cement which would weight approximately 2500 lbs per cubic
yard. I am sure it is very easy for a structural engineer to confuse
Concrete with Portland Cement.

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On 16 Jan 2007 04:38:30 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Is that the stuff that weighs two tons as you tried to tell everyone
here a year or so ago? Remember? Then when I called you out on it, you
said that was with the water added?? Remember that? Remember when I
proved to you that a yard of concrete WITH water was only approx. a ton
and a half?

Where are you getting that. Gravel mix concrete is 150# per square
foot according to everything I have heard. That is a tad over 4000#
per yard.

Nope, you are wrong. 150 is a common design number that just isn't
true. It's got a factor of safety in there.

Look at a mix design. That will tell you the REAL weight of a yard of
normal weight concrete. One I just pulled out has a total volume of
1.02 yards and weighs 3300#, for a 3000 psi mix, not air entrained
because it's an interior floor design.

Maybe there is some air entrained concrete with a lighter aggregate
that gets that light and something like Y-Tong will actually float.
If you order the normal "3000# gravel pump mix" it will be about 2
tons a yard. The 3000# refers to the compressive strengh, not the
weight.

No, it won't. And yes, I fully understand the compressive strength of
concrete. Normal weight aggegate, non air entrained. Well, that's a tad
of a misnomer, there is ALWAYS a bit of air entrained into the mix, you
have to mix it some how. But, as long as it's under 2%, it's not
considered air entrained, per ACI 301.