Anybody done one of these?

On previous dry suits it's been pretty easy: 20-30 little magnets, lay the neck
on a flat steel surface - like the hood of a car - mate the gasket and the neck
material using the magnets to hold them together with some Kotol/AquaSeal as
glue. 45 minutes max.

But the Kokatat has this outer collar around the base of the seal that seems to
prevent that.

I tried cutting a 3" strip from a 5-gallon poly bucket and then expanding that
inside the neck. But with the strip/neck material as taut as I could get it,
the gasket was still a pretty loose fit. Seems like the gasket needs to be a
snug fit to get a decent glue line. It also seems like, although the material
lays perfectly flat on a flat surface, it doesn't want to lay flat on a
cylindrical surface.

Can anybody offer up some advice? Besides FedEx or UPS...-)
--
PeteCresswell

Seems like a good thing to ask at the www.kokatat.com web site.

--
Bob Noble
www.sonic.net/bnoble
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
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Anybody done one of these?

On previous dry suits it's been pretty easy: 20-30 little magnets, lay the
neck
on a flat steel surface - like the hood of a car - mate the gasket and the
neck
material using the magnets to hold them together with some Kotol/AquaSeal
as
glue. 45 minutes max.

But the Kokatat has this outer collar around the base of the seal that
seems to
prevent that.

I tried cutting a 3" strip from a 5-gallon poly bucket and then expanding
that
inside the neck. But with the strip/neck material as taut as I could get
it,
the gasket was still a pretty loose fit. Seems like the gasket needs to
be a
snug fit to get a decent glue line. It also seems like, although the
material
lays perfectly flat on a flat surface, it doesn't want to lay flat on a
cylindrical surface.

Can anybody offer up some advice? Besides FedEx or UPS...-)
--
PeteCresswell

Per Bob Noble:
Seems like a good thing to ask at the www.kokatat.com web site.

Sometimes I miss the obvious... Thanks.

They actually did have a couple of one-page instructions on the process. Sounds
like they use the same general approach I used in that they lay parts on a flat
surface instead of inserting a cylindrical object into the neck.

Without any pictures, it's a tough call, but the essential feature of their
approach seems tb the use of a flat disc that the outer collar can be folded
under.

--
PeteCresswell

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bob Noble:
Seems like a good thing to ask at the www.kokatat.com web site.

Sometimes I miss the obvious... Thanks.

They actually did have a couple of one-page instructions on the process. Sounds
like they use the same general approach I used in that they lay parts on a flat
surface instead of inserting a cylindrical object into the neck.

Without any pictures, it's a tough call, but the essential feature of their
approach seems tb the use of a flat disc that the outer collar can be folded
under.

Yup. I've repaired several of them and it's not difficult once you make
the forms (two discs and a ring). If you intend to repair your own neck
seals going forward, make the forms out of something durable, like 3/8"
plywood, then cover the surfaces that will be exposed to glue with
packing tape. I have a Webshots album with pics and instructions at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/brian_nystrom-reg

Per Brian Nystrom:
Yup. I've repaired several of them and it's not difficult once you make
the forms (two discs and a ring). If you intend to repair your own neck
seals going forward, make the forms out of something durable, like 3/8"
plywood, then cover the surfaces that will be exposed to glue with
packing tape. I have a Webshots album with pics and instructions at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/brian_nystrom-reg

Thanks. That describes it very nicely.

One question: when you cut the large disc, did you observe the 10.5" size that
Kokatat calls for, or did you make it a little bigger to allow the small clamps
around the perimeter?
--
PeteCresswell

Per Brian Nystrom:
I've repaired several of them and it's not difficult once you make
the forms (two discs and a ring). If you intend to repair your own neck
seals going forward, make

Jigsawed the discs, did a trial fit and.... Oops! Looks like Kokatat either
subscribes to a different neck seal standard than my other dry suit makers or
they have their own. The seal I got from NRS (which lines up perfectly with my
Bare Polar...) needs a 7.5"/10" ring instead of a 6.5"/9.5" ring.

So I made a second ring... but discovered what I should have figured out
beforehand: the resultant footprint of the seal doesn't match up well enough
with Kokatat's neck opening.

I think I'll just do the seals on my old Bare, use that, and send the Kokatat
off to an outfit in CA that also does mods - since I also want the belt tunnel
about 3" lower anyhow.
--
PeteCresswell

Hint: Instead of using clamps or magnets try using 2" wide double faced carpet tape. It does a wonderful job of keeping everything
from sliding around after the Aquaseal is applied.

Jim

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Brian Nystrom:
Yup. I've repaired several of them and it's not difficult once you make
the forms (two discs and a ring). If you intend to repair your own neck
seals going forward, make the forms out of something durable, like 3/8"
plywood, then cover the surfaces that will be exposed to glue with
packing tape. I have a Webshots album with pics and instructions at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/brian_nystrom-reg

Thanks. That describes it very nicely.

One question: when you cut the large disc, did you observe the 10.5" size that
Kokatat calls for, or did you make it a little bigger to allow the small clamps
around the perimeter?

I used their recommended sizes. Anything larger won't fit in many suits.
You'll see what I mean when you try it.

Jim Michaud wrote:
Hint: Instead of using clamps or magnets try using 2" wide double faced carpet tape. It does a wonderful job of keeping everything
from sliding around after the Aquaseal is applied.

Kokatat recommends using tape to hold the seal to the ring and the neck
to the large disk, but you still need clamps - lots of clamps - to hold
everything together while the glue cures. I use the black/orange spring
clamps that are usually available in "dollar" stores.

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Brian Nystrom:
I've repaired several of them and it's not difficult once you make
the forms (two discs and a ring). If you intend to repair your own neck
seals going forward, make

Jigsawed the discs, did a trial fit and.... Oops! Looks like Kokatat either
subscribes to a different neck seal standard than my other dry suit makers or
they have their own. The seal I got from NRS (which lines up perfectly with my
Bare Polar...) needs a 7.5"/10" ring instead of a 6.5"/9.5" ring.

So I made a second ring... but discovered what I should have figured out
beforehand: the resultant footprint of the seal doesn't match up well enough
with Kokatat's neck opening.

I think I'll just do the seals on my old Bare, use that, and send the Kokatat
off to an outfit in CA that also does mods - since I also want the belt tunnel
about 3" lower anyhow.

Better yet, just order some seals from OS Systems. They definitely fit
and you'll need them eventually anyway. I always try to keep wrist seals
around, just in case. Which reminds me, I need to do mine and the
latex booties.