This was in this morning's email.

Presented here as an interesting idea, so the specific contact details
for additional information or purchase information have been eliminated
from this post. In the unlikely event that somebody would be interested
in contacting the firm that makes this device, Email me at

and I'll send the contact info via that route:

*********

Hi Chuck,

Have you heard of or covered a great boatig/water safety device called
the Safety Turtle? Must-have for any boater with children and/or pets.
Advocated by many boating and water safety organizations, such as the
Shuswap Houseboating Association, the YMCA and the Canadian Federation
of Humane Societies. It is a device that is worn either around the
child's wrist or on their lifevest or around the pet's collar or
lifevest and sends a wireless signal to a base station (positioned
anywhere on the boat) if the child or pet falls overboard. The base
station then alarms loudly so that the adults on board know immediately
that there is a child/pet that has fallen overboard and can rush to
help. I've included further info below and have hi-res images and
samples available for consideration. What do you think? Have a great
day!

Grant

Grant Landis
Amicus Public Relations

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
This was in this morning's email.

Presented here as an interesting idea, so the specific contact details
for additional information or purchase information have been eliminated
from this post. In the unlikely event that somebody would be interested
in contacting the firm that makes this device, Email me at

and I'll send the contact info via that route:

*********

Hi Chuck,

Have you heard of or covered a great boatig/water safety device called
the Safety Turtle? Must-have for any boater with children and/or pets.
Advocated by many boating and water safety organizations, such as the
Shuswap Houseboating Association, the YMCA and the Canadian Federation
of Humane Societies. It is a device that is worn either around the
child's wrist or on their lifevest or around the pet's collar or
lifevest and sends a wireless signal to a base station (positioned
anywhere on the boat) if the child or pet falls overboard. The base
station then alarms loudly so that the adults on board know immediately
that there is a child/pet that has fallen overboard and can rush to
help. I've included further info below and have hi-res images and
samples available for consideration. What do you think? Have a great
day!

Grant

Grant Landis
Amicus Public Relations



I'd use something like that if I had a little kid on the boat. Not for a
dog, though.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I'd use something like that if I had a little kid on the boat. Not for a
dog, though.

There are a lot of boaters who cruise with dogs and who really pamper
them.

Empty nesters seem to be the worst. (If it's a bad thing, which it
probably is not).
I know of several boating couples in their 50's, 60's, and 70's who
consider their dog almost as close to heart as one of their own kids,
and maybe only a half step behind a grandkid.

If they find a market for this thing, don't be surprised if a lot of
people hook up their doggy life vests, etc.

One of the best attended seminars at the last boat show we had in town
here was "How to Cruise with Your Dog".

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ps.com...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I'd use something like that if I had a little kid on the boat. Not for a
dog, though.

There are a lot of boaters who cruise with dogs and who really pamper
them.

Empty nesters seem to be the worst. (If it's a bad thing, which it
probably is not).
I know of several boating couples in their 50's, 60's, and 70's who
consider their dog almost as close to heart as one of their own kids,
and maybe only a half step behind a grandkid.

If they find a market for this thing, don't be surprised if a lot of
people hook up their doggy life vests, etc.

One of the best attended seminars at the last boat show we had in town
here was "How to Cruise with Your Dog".


Oy.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ps.com...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I'd use something like that if I had a little kid on the boat. Not for a
dog, though.

There are a lot of boaters who cruise with dogs and who really pamper
them.

Empty nesters seem to be the worst. (If it's a bad thing, which it
probably is not).
I know of several boating couples in their 50's, 60's, and 70's who
consider their dog almost as close to heart as one of their own kids,
and maybe only a half step behind a grandkid.

If they find a market for this thing, don't be surprised if a lot of
people hook up their doggy life vests, etc.

One of the best attended seminars at the last boat show we had in town
here was "How to Cruise with Your Dog".


They sell them for swimming pool safety. When the God Babies were out for
daughters wedding this summer, I looked at them, but went for a pool alarm
instead. The kid may not be wearing the bracelet when she went outside.
Might be great for a boat.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
This was in this morning's email.

Presented here as an interesting idea, so the specific contact details
for additional information or purchase information have been eliminated
from this post. In the unlikely event that somebody would be interested
in contacting the firm that makes this device, Email me at

and I'll send the contact info via that route:

*********

Hi Chuck,
snip

Grant


Chuck, remind me again how this is not SPAM.

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
This was in this morning's email.

Presented here as an interesting idea, so the specific contact details
for additional information or purchase information have been eliminated
from this post. In the unlikely event that somebody would be interested
in contacting the firm that makes this device, Email me at

and I'll send the contact info via that route:

*********

Hi Chuck,
snip

Grant


Chuck, remind me again how this is not SPAM.

Gladly:

1) I have no financial interest of any kind in the item described.
2) There is no pricing or commercial contact information included, (in
fact, it was deleted), merely a description of a new product.
3) I do have contact information available to anybody interested via
email- but I didn't post that here to *avoid* falling into a spam
category. Spam is a commercial solicitation in a non-commercial venue.
If somebody wants the commercial solicitation, I will put them on the
track to get it- but it isn't appearing here.
4) There is no personal endorsement or recommendation that anybody
actually purchase one of these for any purpose, merely an invitation to
discuss whether such a device by this or some other manufacturer with a
similar concept might be a useful safety device.

It would be tough to discuss whether or not people consider a new
device potentially useful as a safety system without at least
describing the device. As I have never seen one in person, I forwarded
a description that I received.

How about you, Jim? Do you take a dog or young kids out with you when
you use your boat? What would you think of a system that could sound an
alarm the instant one of them fell overboard?

I see one use for this, depending on the range of the transmitter, that
isn't addressed in the original description. I hate to see it, but it's
a common practice for some boaters to put kids as young as 5 or 6 years
old in a PFD and then turn them loose to run around the docks in a
marina. They are usually goofing off trying to snag a pile perch with a
miniature fishing pole or hauling critters up to the dock with a dip
net. Sometimes these kids get several slips away from their own boat
and there may or may not actually be somebody on deck keeping a
constant eye on them. In such a case, knowing that your kindergartner
has fallen off the dock at least somewhere nearby would be better than
not knowing until the next 10-15 minute interval when the parents put
down their martinis and take a visual check.

I could probably post something like "Make sure you shred your bills so
the local ID thieves don't profit by skimming your garbage", and it
would make a nice follow up to the "crooks jotting down numbers on gift
cards" post that appeared here recently, but I try to keep the threads
I start in the NG related to boating.

But I could be wrong. Anybody besides by good friend in Ohio object to
the original post as "spam"? I'm not to stubborn to learn from the
errors of my ways and if the majority of the NG feels that a
description of a new, boating related product is inappropriate in the
NG I won't offer that kind of content in the future.

On 30 Nov 2006 12:07:41 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
This was in this morning's email.

Presented here as an interesting idea, so the specific contact details
for additional information or purchase information have been eliminated
from this post. In the unlikely event that somebody would be interested
in contacting the firm that makes this device, Email me at

and I'll send the contact info via that route:

*********

Hi Chuck,
snip

Grant


Chuck, remind me again how this is not SPAM.

Gladly:

1) I have no financial interest of any kind in the item described.
2) There is no pricing or commercial contact information included, (in
fact, it was deleted), merely a description of a new product.
3) I do have contact information available to anybody interested via
email- but I didn't post that here to *avoid* falling into a spam
category. Spam is a commercial solicitation in a non-commercial venue.
If somebody wants the commercial solicitation, I will put them on the
track to get it- but it isn't appearing here.
4) There is no personal endorsement or recommendation that anybody
actually purchase one of these for any purpose, merely an invitation to
discuss whether such a device by this or some other manufacturer with a
similar concept might be a useful safety device.

It would be tough to discuss whether or not people consider a new
device potentially useful as a safety system without at least
describing the device. As I have never seen one in person, I forwarded
a description that I received.

How about you, Jim? Do you take a dog or young kids out with you when
you use your boat? What would you think of a system that could sound an
alarm the instant one of them fell overboard?

I see one use for this, depending on the range of the transmitter, that
isn't addressed in the original description. I hate to see it, but it's
a common practice for some boaters to put kids as young as 5 or 6 years
old in a PFD and then turn them loose to run around the docks in a
marina. They are usually goofing off trying to snag a pile perch with a
miniature fishing pole or hauling critters up to the dock with a dip
net. Sometimes these kids get several slips away from their own boat
and there may or may not actually be somebody on deck keeping a
constant eye on them. In such a case, knowing that your kindergartner
has fallen off the dock at least somewhere nearby would be better than
not knowing until the next 10-15 minute interval when the parents put
down their martinis and take a visual check.

I could probably post something like "Make sure you shred your bills so
the local ID thieves don't profit by skimming your garbage", and it
would make a nice follow up to the "crooks jotting down numbers on gift
cards" post that appeared here recently, but I try to keep the threads
I start in the NG related to boating.

But I could be wrong. Anybody besides by good friend in Ohio object to
the original post as "spam"? I'm not to stubborn to learn from the
errors of my ways and if the majority of the NG feels that a
description of a new, boating related product is inappropriate in the
NG I won't offer that kind of content in the future.

FWIW, I took it as a purely informative post about a new product. Your
"good friend in Ohio" is trying hard to become the group a-hole again.

JohnH wrote:
On 30 Nov 2006 12:07:41 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Your "good friend in Ohio" is trying hard to become the group a-hole again.


See how posting spam results in some members here having to start with
the name calling Chuck? Sort of like political threads.......eh?

BTW: JohnH, no one will take your title away from you. Don't sweat it
guy!

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ps.com...

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
This was in this morning's email.

Presented here as an interesting idea, so the specific contact details
for additional information or purchase information have been eliminated
from this post. In the unlikely event that somebody would be interested
in contacting the firm that makes this device, Email me at

and I'll send the contact info via that route:

*********

Hi Chuck,
snip

Grant


Chuck, remind me again how this is not SPAM.

Gladly:

1) I have no financial interest of any kind in the item described.
2) There is no pricing or commercial contact information included, (in
fact, it was deleted), merely a description of a new product.
3) I do have contact information available to anybody interested via
email- but I didn't post that here to *avoid* falling into a spam
category. Spam is a commercial solicitation in a non-commercial venue.
If somebody wants the commercial solicitation, I will put them on the
track to get it- but it isn't appearing here.
4) There is no personal endorsement or recommendation that anybody
actually purchase one of these for any purpose, merely an invitation to
discuss whether such a device by this or some other manufacturer with a
similar concept might be a useful safety device.


1. You mentioned the manufacturer
2. The manufacturer mentioned the specific product by name
3. You offered to act as a distributor for the manufacturer

If it smells like a duck and quacks like a duck...........

What you should have said:

======================
"I received an email from my brother in law........ummm....I mean a
manufacturer of a safety product for boaters and would like your opinions on
it.

The company manufactures a device that is worn either around the child's
wrist or on their lifevest or around the pet's collar or lifevest and sends
a wireless signal to a base station (positioned anywhere on the boat) if the
child or pet falls overboard. The base station then alarms loudly so that
the adults on board know immediately
that there is a child/pet that has fallen overboard and can rush to help."

What do you think?

============================

Personally I think that anyone who leaves a child unsupervised around water,
even for a minute, is insane.