Harry Krause wrote:

On 11/19/2006 7:29 PM, Dan wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

On 11/19/2006 8:09 AM, Jim wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:25:01 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:

Inverters are rated in watts.

Less than two watts for 100 mini lights.

I ran two six foot Christmas trees, about 5 100 light mini string
and
four light strings off a 350 watt inverter at last years Festival of
Lights in Putnam and it didn't even breathe hard.

Have a freakin' ball with the lights. :)

Try closer to 50W for a string of 100 mini lights, unless they're the
LED type.

No way. And just to prove a point, I went out to the garage and
looked on a box of colored mini lights - 150 string.

2.4 watts.

I was a little surprised honestly, but last year I acquired a
power analyzer and ran around plugging in everything I could find
in the
house. The Christmas tree with miniature lights on it was pulling
around
350W, at which point I started checking individual strings.
Incandescent
loads have a unity power factor, so you can measure the amp draw with
any cheap multimeter and use ohms law to calculate the watts.

Interesting - that string I ran on my truck drew less than 200 watts
total.


NO WAY
2.4W.............................................. .................................................. ...

.................................................. .................................................. .........................

.................................................. .................................................. .........................


I just checked a set of icicle lights.
Individual lights =2.5V
Total of 100 lights
Fuse = 3A
No where on the package could I find watts or amps rating.
Measured draw = 300MA or 36 W



You guys need something useful to do. Come on down here. Now that
most of the leaves have fallen off the trees in my woods, and the
visibility is good, I need some fallen timber cut up and hauled. I
got 24" and 28" chain saws, axes, carts, whatever you need.


Are you paying scale?



Sure, the unskilled rate.

OK. So what's the difference?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:26:56 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:30:30 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


No need to grovel. Just send one of those el cheapo blanks you are
trying
to
give away, with some of your winding handiwork and instructions on how
to
use the darn thing.

I'd be glad to do that for you - sometime over the winter. I'm
running on short time until after Christmas.

What sort of instrument are you using to get such a precise reading?

Fluke bench DMM - a left over from the consulting days.

Measured the current, got an accurate reading on the voltage, applied
Ohm's law.

This Fluke also has a power recording feature, but that was off by 5
watts.

A Fluke? I'll never replace my Simpson 260. The one that has a sticker
on it that says, "US Government Property, Department of the Navy".

Eisboch (now, how the heck did *that* show up in my toolbox?)

Nothing like a precision bench DMM - especially a Fluke.

I have a Simpson 260 myself. One of the best meters ever made in my
opinion. I have a Fluke portable, but if I'm working on something and
need a portable, I always grab the Simpson.

I feel the same way about my Bird 43 with the 4304 adaptors. I've had
that thing forever.

Had a Simpson for years. Until a battery leaked and ate lots of the inside
up. Was a great meter. I have a Fluke for the house / garage. But in a 99
cent store one day, is a nice small digital DVM with diode checker, etc.
Bought that one for the boat box. A nice meter.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:30:30 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:55:02 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 11/19/2006 8:28 AM, Jim wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 11/19/2006 8:09 AM, Jim wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:25:01 GMT, James Sweet

wrote:

Inverters are rated in watts.

Less than two watts for 100 mini lights.

I ran two six foot Christmas trees, about 5 100 light mini
string
and
four light strings off a 350 watt inverter at last years
Festival
of
Lights in Putnam and it didn't even breathe hard.

Have a freakin' ball with the lights. :)
Try closer to 50W for a string of 100 mini lights, unless they're
the
LED type.
No way. And just to prove a point, I went out to the garage and
looked on a box of colored mini lights - 150 string.

2.4 watts.

I was a little surprised honestly, but last year I acquired a
power analyzer and ran around plugging in everything I could find
in
the
house. The Christmas tree with miniature lights on it was pulling
around
350W, at which point I started checking individual strings.
Incandescent
loads have a unity power factor, so you can measure the amp draw
with
any cheap multimeter and use ohms law to calculate the watts.
Interesting - that string I ran on my truck drew less than 200
watts
total.
NO WAY
2.4W.............................................. .................................................. ...
.................................................. .................................................. .........................
.................................................. .................................................. .........................

I just checked a set of icicle lights.
Individual lights =2.5V
Total of 100 lights
Fuse = 3A
No where on the package could I find watts or amps rating.
Measured draw = 300MA or 36 W



You guys need something useful to do. Come on down here. Now that
most
of the leaves have fallen off the trees in my woods, and the
visibility
is good, I need some fallen timber cut up and hauled. I got 24" and
28"
chain saws, axes, carts, whatever you need.

How can anyone refuse an offer like that?


So, what time will you be here?
Noon

I was thinking more along the lines of the Twelfth of Never.
He asked for the time, not the date. Sheesh.

Oh no - not another extended discussion about the nature of time. :)

Depends on the Black Energy, the counterpart to Gravity.

"Dan" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:

On 11/19/2006 7:29 PM, Dan wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

On 11/19/2006 8:09 AM, Jim wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:25:01 GMT, James Sweet

wrote:

Inverters are rated in watts.

Less than two watts for 100 mini lights.

I ran two six foot Christmas trees, about 5 100 light mini string
and
four light strings off a 350 watt inverter at last years Festival
of
Lights in Putnam and it didn't even breathe hard.

Have a freakin' ball with the lights. :)

Try closer to 50W for a string of 100 mini lights, unless they're
the
LED type.

No way. And just to prove a point, I went out to the garage and
looked on a box of colored mini lights - 150 string.

2.4 watts.

I was a little surprised honestly, but last year I acquired a
power analyzer and ran around plugging in everything I could find in
the
house. The Christmas tree with miniature lights on it was pulling
around
350W, at which point I started checking individual strings.
Incandescent
loads have a unity power factor, so you can measure the amp draw
with
any cheap multimeter and use ohms law to calculate the watts.

Interesting - that string I ran on my truck drew less than 200 watts
total.


NO WAY
2.4W.............................................. .................................................. ...
.................................................. .................................................. .........................
.................................................. .................................................. .........................

I just checked a set of icicle lights.
Individual lights =2.5V
Total of 100 lights
Fuse = 3A
No where on the package could I find watts or amps rating.
Measured draw = 300MA or 36 W



You guys need something useful to do. Come on down here. Now that most
of the leaves have fallen off the trees in my woods, and the visibility
is good, I need some fallen timber cut up and hauled. I got 24" and 28"
chain saws, axes, carts, whatever you need.


Are you paying scale?



Sure, the unskilled rate.

OK. So what's the difference?


Same he pays the Mexican day laborers.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Had a Simpson for years. Until a battery leaked and ate lots of the
inside up. Was a great meter. I have a Fluke for the house / garage.
But in a 99 cent store one day, is a nice small digital DVM with diode
checker, etc. Bought that one for the boat box. A nice meter.


99% of the time that's all you need. I have a few of them because whenever
I need a meter to work on something I can never find one, so I buy a new
(cheap) one.

I have the Simpson with it's original case and also a Fluke DVOM that I
rarely use anymore. The Simpson is more of a collectable now ... my only
souvenir of 9 years in the Navy. I used to have a nice, dual channel
O'scope as well, but I haven't seen it in years. Don't know what happened
to it.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Tektronix 561 with the plugins?

That was a great scope - used to own one myself.

No, although we used them in the Navy. The one I had I purchased after I
got out of the Navy ... I think it was made by Hitachi. For the life of me,
I can't remember what happened to it. It's either packed away in a moving
box that I haven't opened in years or I ..... oh ..... now I remember
......

When we were buying our first house back in 1981 we had a huge yard sale to
raise money for the downpayment/closing costs. I sold it then ... along
with a pair of the original Bose 901's that I had treasured for years. Also
.... two Sansui power amps, four-channel decoder, (before the days of "Dolby
surround sound", Teac reel to reel tape deck ... Dual 1219 deck ...a bunch
of cool stuff given up for the sake of domestic tranquility.

Eisboch

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:46:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...


Had a Simpson for years. Until a battery leaked and ate lots of the
inside up. Was a great meter. I have a Fluke for the house / garage.
But in a 99 cent store one day, is a nice small digital DVM with diode
checker, etc. Bought that one for the boat box. A nice meter.


99% of the time that's all you need. I have a few of them because whenever
I need a meter to work on something I can never find one, so I buy a new
(cheap) one.

I have the Simpson with it's original case and also a Fluke DVOM that I
rarely use anymore. The Simpson is more of a collectable now ... my only
souvenir of 9 years in the Navy. I used to have a nice, dual channel
O'scope as well, but I haven't seen it in years. Don't know what happened
to it.


Tektronix 561 with the plugins?

That was a great scope - used to own one myself.


My favorite is the Tek 465B, I've got one that has done very well for
me, after using a handful of modern scopes I still won't give up my 465.

Best route it to throw an extra deep cell battery somewhere and run the
inverter off it.

2.5 watts? Common sense should have told you that was impossible.
Even one single night light bulb is 5 watts.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:55:02 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 11/19/2006 8:28 AM, Jim wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 11/19/2006 8:09 AM, Jim wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:25:01 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:

Inverters are rated in watts.

Less than two watts for 100 mini lights.

I ran two six foot Christmas trees, about 5 100 light mini string
and
four light strings off a 350 watt inverter at last years Festival of
Lights in Putnam and it didn't even breathe hard.

Have a freakin' ball with the lights. :)
Try closer to 50W for a string of 100 mini lights, unless they're the
LED type.
No way. And just to prove a point, I went out to the garage and
looked on a box of colored mini lights - 150 string.

2.4 watts.

I was a little surprised honestly, but last year I acquired a
power analyzer and ran around plugging in everything I could find in
the
house. The Christmas tree with miniature lights on it was pulling
around
350W, at which point I started checking individual strings.
Incandescent
loads have a unity power factor, so you can measure the amp draw with
any cheap multimeter and use ohms law to calculate the watts.
Interesting - that string I ran on my truck drew less than 200 watts
total.
NO WAY
2.4W.............................................. .................................................. ...
.................................................. .................................................. .........................
.................................................. .................................................. .........................

I just checked a set of icicle lights.
Individual lights =2.5V
Total of 100 lights
Fuse = 3A
No where on the package could I find watts or amps rating.
Measured draw = 300MA or 36 W



You guys need something useful to do. Come on down here. Now that most
of the leaves have fallen off the trees in my woods, and the visibility
is good, I need some fallen timber cut up and hauled. I got 24" and 28"
chain saws, axes, carts, whatever you need.

How can anyone refuse an offer like that?


So, what time will you be here?
Noon

I was thinking more along the lines of the Twelfth of Never.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:46:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...


Had a Simpson for years. Until a battery leaked and ate lots of the
inside up. Was a great meter. I have a Fluke for the house / garage.
But in a 99 cent store one day, is a nice small digital DVM with diode
checker, etc. Bought that one for the boat box. A nice meter.


99% of the time that's all you need. I have a few of them because
whenever
I need a meter to work on something I can never find one, so I buy a new
(cheap) one.

I have the Simpson with it's original case and also a Fluke DVOM that I
rarely use anymore. The Simpson is more of a collectable now ... my only
souvenir of 9 years in the Navy. I used to have a nice, dual channel
O'scope as well, but I haven't seen it in years. Don't know what happened
to it.

Tektronix 561 with the plugins?

That was a great scope - used to own one myself.

I have a dual channel Tek and I know where it is. Talk to the possessor
couple times a year. Is a 100mhz Field engineer model, forget the number.
Is small enough to easily carry. I remember working as a Field tech when
going to college and we had to carry the 541 in the car to the computer
sites.

Harry Krause wrote:
On 11/19/2006 8:51 PM, Dan wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

On 11/19/2006 7:29 PM, Dan wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

On 11/19/2006 8:09 AM, Jim wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:25:01 GMT, James Sweet

wrote:

Inverters are rated in watts.

Less than two watts for 100 mini lights.

I ran two six foot Christmas trees, about 5 100 light mini
string and
four light strings off a 350 watt inverter at last years
Festival of
Lights in Putnam and it didn't even breathe hard.

Have a freakin' ball with the lights. :)

Try closer to 50W for a string of 100 mini lights, unless
they're the
LED type.

No way. And just to prove a point, I went out to the garage and
looked on a box of colored mini lights - 150 string.

2.4 watts.

I was a little surprised honestly, but last year I acquired a
power analyzer and ran around plugging in everything I could
find in the
house. The Christmas tree with miniature lights on it was
pulling around
350W, at which point I started checking individual strings.
Incandescent
loads have a unity power factor, so you can measure the amp draw
with
any cheap multimeter and use ohms law to calculate the watts.

Interesting - that string I ran on my truck drew less than 200 watts
total.


NO WAY
2.4W.............................................. .................................................. ...

.................................................. .................................................. .........................

.................................................. .................................................. .........................


I just checked a set of icicle lights.
Individual lights =2.5V
Total of 100 lights
Fuse = 3A
No where on the package could I find watts or amps rating.
Measured draw = 300MA or 36 W


You guys need something useful to do. Come on down here. Now that
most of the leaves have fallen off the trees in my woods, and the
visibility is good, I need some fallen timber cut up and hauled. I
got 24" and 28" chain saws, axes, carts, whatever you need.


Are you paying scale?



Sure, the unskilled rate.


OK. So what's the difference?



Apprentices start at one half the rate of journeymen.

Half? So what does the apprentice make?