What is the Barrel for???
 

I have been looking at pictures of classic style sailing boat and keep seeing
this barrel in the middle of the deck on them. It's not on all of them but
it seems to be recurring. What is it for? I have never seen it in person but
here is a picture.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/viewla...&imageid=49536


Does anybody know. It must have a purpose.

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"scbafreak" u25927@uwe wrote in message news:690b64c118d14@uwe...
I have been looking at pictures of classic style sailing boat and keep
seeing
this barrel in the middle of the deck on them. It's not on all of them
but
it seems to be recurring. What is it for? I have never seen it in person
but
here is a picture.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/viewla...&imageid=49536


Does anybody know. It must have a purpose.

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Rum?

What is the Barrel for???
 

Does anybody know. It must have a purpose.

What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

What is the Barrel for???
 

What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

Yeah but the barrel is turned the wrong way. and I didn't see any holse in
it.

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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:26:58 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe
wrote:

What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

Yeah but the barrel is turned the wrong way. and I didn't see any holse in
it.

In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.

What is the Barrel for???
 

In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.

I just got some drawings from a designer that happens to have one of these
barrels. The drawins aren't actual build drawings just something to look at
and help mull over a decision. The barrel seems to be a propane tank but I
am not entirely sure.

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scbafreak wrote:
I have been looking at pictures of classic style sailing boat and keep seeing
this barrel in the middle of the deck on them. It's not on all of them but
it seems to be recurring. What is it for? I have never seen it in person but
here is a picture.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/viewla...&imageid=49536


Does anybody know. It must have a purpose.

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Don't know what it is, either, but here are some significant clues.

First, it is lashed down on chocks; leading to a logical conclusion
that it must be regularly removed for some purpose or may just simply
need to be quickly removable. My first thought was a lift raft, but
additional observations dispel that theory.

Second, there is a fitting similar to a snatchblock protruding from a
bung on the upper side of the barrel. It is tempting to visualize a
length of cable stowed in the barrel with the snatchblock-type fitting
swaged to the end.

The open bung, and the generally decent condition of the varnished
exterior, suggest that if the barrel is removed it is not set afloat-
at least not for long periods.

Third, there appears to be round "inspection" access on the end of the
barrel to starboard in the photo.

Do you have photos of the same sort of barrel on other vessels?
Additional viewings might provide more clues.

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scbafreak via BoatKB.com wrote:
In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.

I just got some drawings from a designer that happens to have one of these
barrels. The drawins aren't actual build drawings just something to look at
and help mull over a decision. The barrel seems to be a propane tank but I
am not entirely sure.

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In my opinion, that is nowhere close to ABYC compliant for a propane
tank. Also, it's way too big. Assuming propane would only be used for
the galley stove on that sailboat, that would be about a year's supply.

What is the Barrel for???
 

In my opinion, that is nowhere close to ABYC compliant for a propane
tank. Also, it's way too big. Assuming propane would only be used for
the galley stove on that sailboat, that would be about a year's supply.

Yes but if a standard sized propane tank sits inside of it with all of the
fittings would that be more likely or am I swimming up the wrong stream here?

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scbafreak via BoatKB.com wrote:
In my opinion, that is nowhere close to ABYC compliant for a propane
tank. Also, it's way too big. Assuming propane would only be used for
the galley stove on that sailboat, that would be about a year's supply.

Yes but if a standard sized propane tank sits inside of it with all of the
fittings would that be more likely or am I swimming up the wrong stream here?


To meet ABYC standards the cover needs to be able to "blow off" should
the propane cylinder explode. Maybe the ends of the barrell blow out,
but I think the cover has to blow vertically.

Also, the lashings suggest that the barrel is only temporarily in
place. It would be dumb, I think, to clutter up the workspace on the
deck with anything as pedestrian as an enormous propane locker. And a
propane locker would be affixed more permanently where ever it might be
appropriately located.

What is the Barrel for???
 

To meet ABYC standards the cover needs to be able to "blow off" should
the propane cylinder explode. Maybe the ends of the barrell blow out,
but I think the cover has to blow vertically.

Also, the lashings suggest that the barrel is only temporarily in
place. It would be dumb, I think, to clutter up the workspace on the
deck with anything as pedestrian as an enormous propane locker. And a
propane locker would be affixed more permanently where ever it might be
appropriately located.

True. I have no idea what it's for then. I'm out of ideas. I have seen it
on other boats but I cant find the pictures right now so I couldn't say.

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JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:26:58 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe
wrote:


What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

Yeah but the barrel is turned the wrong way. and I didn't see any holse in
it.


In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.


Or a fancy place to keep a life raft.

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Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:26:58 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe
wrote:


What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

Yeah but the barrel is turned the wrong way. and I didn't see any holse in
it.


In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.


Or a fancy place to keep a life raft.


The shape of the chocks caused me to think of a life raft, originally.
A typical canister raft would fit nicely into those chocks. But the
casual lashing leads me to believe it may be something less critical
than a life raft. And what about that snatchblock emerging from the
bung on the top of the barrel? Pretty puzzling.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:26:58 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe
wrote:


What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

Yeah but the barrel is turned the wrong way. and I didn't see any holse in
it.


In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.


Or a fancy place to keep a life raft.


The shape of the chocks caused me to think of a life raft, originally.
A typical canister raft would fit nicely into those chocks. But the
casual lashing leads me to believe it may be something less critical
than a life raft. And what about that snatchblock emerging from the
bung on the top of the barrel? Pretty puzzling.

It is NOT a barrell. Barells are made differently. It seems to be
made similarly to how the mast is made. Is it a weight of some kind to
be hoisted for some reason?

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Chuck Gould wrote:
Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:26:58 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe
wrote:


What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

Yeah but the barrel is turned the wrong way. and I didn't see any holse in
it.


In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.


Or a fancy place to keep a life raft.

Hmm, the liferaft is actually in a case behind it to the right. The
object in question appears to be made from a single piece of wood held
together with those steel bands. The lifting eye that appears to be
coming out of it MAY simply be in the background. It is right next to
the cradle for the dinghy..........hmmmm. This sounds crazy but I
think it is related to the dinghy cradle. Could it be a wooden
counterweight for getting the heavy dinghy off the deck? It clearly is
not intended to float cuz you wouldnt varnish so nicely something you
were gonna put in the water. I doubt thst it is too massive cuz of the
size of the ropes holding it down and cuz its on cabin top.


The shape of the chocks caused me to think of a life raft, originally.
A typical canister raft would fit nicely into those chocks. But the
casual lashing leads me to believe it may be something less critical
than a life raft. And what about that snatchblock emerging from the
bung on the top of the barrel? Pretty puzzling.

What is the Barrel for???
 

Frogwatch wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:26:58 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe
wrote:


What, you've never heard the one about "your turn in the barrel"?

Yeah but the barrel is turned the wrong way. and I didn't see any holse in
it.


In the old days, of the great sailing ships, water was kept on deck in a
cask for sailors. It was rationed, and was therefore kept under guard.

Perhaps it's a water cask.


Or a fancy place to keep a life raft.

Hmm, the liferaft is actually in a case behind it to the right. The
object in question appears to be made from a single piece of wood held
together with those steel bands. The lifting eye that appears to be
coming out of it MAY simply be in the background. It is right next to
the cradle for the dinghy..........hmmmm. This sounds crazy but I
think it is related to the dinghy cradle. Could it be a wooden
counterweight for getting the heavy dinghy off the deck? It clearly is
not intended to float cuz you wouldnt varnish so nicely something you
were gonna put in the water. I doubt thst it is too massive cuz of the
size of the ropes holding it down and cuz its on cabin top.


The shape of the chocks caused me to think of a life raft, originally.
A typical canister raft would fit nicely into those chocks. But the
casual lashing leads me to believe it may be something less critical
than a life raft. And what about that snatchblock emerging from the
bung on the top of the barrel? Pretty puzzling.

Hmm........I'd say that it is the same diameter as the mast in the
background and is actually a piece from it. The white things it rests
in may be the clue. Could they be intended to be used to hold a part
of the mast when it is taken down. The mast behind looks seriously
massive, is it a two piece mast? Considering the steel reinforcing
bands, could it be a wooden cylinder into which another spar fits when
it is desired to lenghten said spar? It would be hoisted with that
eyelet and the spar fit into it.

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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:20:21 GMT, "scbafreak" u25927@uwe wrote:

I have been looking at pictures of classic style sailing boat and keep seeing
this barrel in the middle of the deck on them. It's not on all of them but
it seems to be recurring. What is it for? I have never seen it in person but
here is a picture.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/viewla...&imageid=49536


Does anybody know. It must have a purpose.

==================================

I'm guessing it might be extra water tankage.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:20:21 GMT, "scbafreak" u25927@uwe wrote:

I have been looking at pictures of classic style sailing boat and keep
seeing
this barrel in the middle of the deck on them. It's not on all of them
but
it seems to be recurring. What is it for? I have never seen it in person
but
here is a picture.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/viewla...&imageid=49536


Does anybody know. It must have a purpose.

==================================

I'm guessing it might be extra water tankage.


I think it might be a traditional rum keg. I've found several references to
them in passing and they were apparently common on sailing ships and yachts
in the 18th-19th century. The description of this modern vacation yacht
also mentions a deck mounted rum keg.

http://www.travelholiday.com/article...article_id=102

Eisboch

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:37:44 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:20:21 GMT, "scbafreak" u25927@uwe wrote:

I have been looking at pictures of classic style sailing boat and keep
seeing
this barrel in the middle of the deck on them. It's not on all of them
but
it seems to be recurring. What is it for? I have never seen it in person
but
here is a picture.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/viewla...&imageid=49536


Does anybody know. It must have a purpose.

==================================

I'm guessing it might be extra water tankage.


I think it might be a traditional rum keg. I've found several references to
them in passing and they were apparently common on sailing ships and yachts
in the 18th-19th century. The description of this modern vacation yacht
also mentions a deck mounted rum keg.

http://www.travelholiday.com/article...article_id=102

Eisboch


A tot o' rum was daily fare in the British Navy, unless, of course, the
ship was in the Mediterranean, in which case the rum was often replace with
wine.

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:37:44 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:




A tot o' rum was daily fare in the British Navy, unless, of course, the
ship was in the Mediterranean, in which case the rum was often replace
with
wine.

Also still traditional in the US Navy but only after a particularly arduous
shipboard evolution like replenishment at sea or refueling at sea in the
middle of the winter. I think in four years aboard a Navy ship I witnessed
it twice .... for "medicinal purposes only", of course. It was humorous.
The whole ship's company not on watch would form a long line leading to the
little sick bay to get a shot in a little paper cup. Can't remember if it
was rum or whiskey.

Eisboch

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Wayne.B wrote:


I'm guessing it might be extra water tankage.

Of course. :-)

IMO:
This is a large cask for gathering water from streams, rivers, or
sources ashore that aren't equipped with a hose or to which the boat
cannot sail. Would be handy on a long voyage.

There is a good sized shoreboat available (see empty chocks to port of
the cask).
The fitting on the top allows the cask to be loaded into or out of the
shoreboat using a block and boom. The removeable cap on end of the
barrel to starboard in the photo allows water to be poured in. We can
assume there is also a spigot somewhere to release water, but that it
doesn't show in this photo.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
I'm guessing it might be extra water tankage.

Well this isn't exactly an old boat. It was completed in 1994. It has a
water maker onboard so I don;t think they will plan on taking a barrel up a
river to get fresh water. I found the rest of the add that the picture comes
from here.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boat_f...heboatid=13034

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:36:36 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
I'm guessing it might be extra water tankage.

Well this isn't exactly an old boat. It was completed in 1994. It has a
water maker onboard so I don;t think they will plan on taking a barrel up a
river to get fresh water. I found the rest of the add that the picture comes
from here.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boat_f...heboatid=13034

Maybe that will help.

I'm sticking with my story.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:20:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:


I would agree with you, but the image is titled Drake's Drum which is
the legend that the drum can be heard at times when England is at war
or significant national event takes place,

' Tis a puzzle.

Drake's Drum is the name of the boat in the photo.

CWM

There is a poem about Drakes Drum and war for England. They were both hardy
and ingenious sailors in those days. Drake Careened his boat just north of
San Francisco Bay to do repairs. Pick a semi sheltered spot, as most
sailors sailed past the entrance to SF Bay as did not look like a good
harbor spot, just a small cove from sea. Run you boat on to a soft beach
at low tide and then use lines to heel it over to replace bad planks.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:20:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:



I would agree with you, but the image is titled Drake's Drum which is
the legend that the drum can be heard at times when England is at war
or significant national event takes place,

' Tis a puzzle.

Drake's Drum is the name of the boat in the photo.

CWM


There is a poem about Drakes Drum and war for England. They were both hardy
and ingenious sailors in those days. Drake Careened his boat just north of
San Francisco Bay to do repairs. Pick a semi sheltered spot, as most
sailors sailed past the entrance to SF Bay as did not look like a good
harbor spot, just a small cove from sea. Run you boat on to a soft beach
at *low tide* and then use lines to heel it over to replace bad planks.



Shouldn't that be...beach the vessel at high tide and as the water
receeds, the ship would keel over to allow work on the exposed bottom.

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"Don White" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:20:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:



I would agree with you, but the image is titled Drake's Drum which is
the legend that the drum can be heard at times when England is at war
or significant national event takes place,

' Tis a puzzle.

Drake's Drum is the name of the boat in the photo.

CWM


There is a poem about Drakes Drum and war for England. They were both
hardy and ingenious sailors in those days. Drake Careened his boat just
north of San Francisco Bay to do repairs. Pick a semi sheltered spot, as
most sailors sailed past the entrance to SF Bay as did not look like a
good harbor spot, just a small cove from sea. Run you boat on to a soft
beach at *low tide* and then use lines to heel it over to replace bad
planks.

Shouldn't that be...beach the vessel at high tide and as the water
receeds, the ship would keel over to allow work on the exposed bottom.

Should be mid tide, as you would not want the boat stranded for a long time.

What is the Barrel for???
 

Sail storage?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Sail storage?

Eisboch



BTW ... I just sent TheYachtMarket.com an email asking what the barrel is.
I didn't want to send one to the owner because I am not sure the second link
provided by someone is the same boat.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
Sail storage?

Eisboch

BTW ... I just sent TheYachtMarket.com an email asking what the barrel is.
I didn't want to send one to the owner because I am not sure the second link
provided by someone is the same boat.

Eisboch

It is. I posted the original link as well as the second one and they come
from the same add. If you go to the second link under more images, you can
see this picture and others of the same boat.

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Eisboch wrote:
Sail storage?

Eisboch

BTW ... I just sent TheYachtMarket.com an email asking what the barrel
is.
I didn't want to send one to the owner because I am not sure the second
link
provided by someone is the same boat.

Eisboch

It is. I posted the original link as well as the second one and they come
from the same add. If you go to the second link under more images, you
can
see this picture and others of the same boat.

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Gotcha. I'll wait a bit and see if TheYachtMarket.com gets back to me. I
don't want to bother the owner.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:17:24 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...


Sail storage?

Eisboch



BTW ... I just sent TheYachtMarket.com an email asking what the barrel is.
I didn't want to send one to the owner because I am not sure the second link
provided by someone is the same boat.

Eisboch


Cheat!

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Sail storage?

Eisboch


Powder keg?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Sail storage?

Eisboch


Powder keg?

Eisboch


Perhaps, but more likely to store the monkeys.

http://www.timewarptoys.com/barrel.jpg

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:01:52 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Sail storage?

Powder keg?

For blowing up the boat if pirates try and board?

The barrels on SeaRay boats are to store extra gold chains, hair transplant
medicine and speedos.

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JimH wrote:


The barrels on SeaRay boats are to store extra gold chains, hair transplant
medicine and speedos.

Hmm. I'll bet you operate your keyboard with both left and right
fingers. That would, I believe, make you a "stereo" typist. :-)

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The barrels on SeaRay boats are to store extra gold chains, hair transplant
medicine and speedos.

Don't forget that grease they put all over themselves and really big
sunglasses

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Did the OP say that he had seen this "barrel" on other sailboats?

I've been studying the picture and something occured to me. The ends appear
flat. Like a drum.
If it were for liquid storage, a rounded shape would be stronger,
particularly on a rocking boat with liquid sloshing back and forth within
it.

I wonder if the "barrel" is really a drum, installed on this particular boat
in honor of the "Drum of Drake" legend and boat name.

Eisboch

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I wonder if the "barrel" is really a drum, installed on this particular boat
in honor of the "Drum of Drake" legend and boat name.

Eisboch

I have seen it on a few other boats and I have some overview plans of this
boat and it has the Barrel drawn on it. The plans have nothing to do with
the whole "Drum of Drake" thing. They are done buy a french designer
(Bombigher) and are for a style he calls the Shpountz. In the drawings,
there apears to be something coming out of the bottom of it, which is why I
thought propane housing, as well as something on the back side of it but I
can't tell for sure as they are not full plan sets. I don't want to bug the
designer about sommething so trivial but I'm just really curious.

The link to his site for the plans and this particular boat is:
http://www.classic-yacht-design.com/...-40/38-40.html

You can clearly see that it is in the drawings. on the deck.

Maybe the loose lashing is just some rope laid across it by some lazy sailor
that doesn't know how important stowing gear is.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
are for a style he calls the Shpountz.

Which means "barrel on a deck to make curious".


Those French people are really driving me crazy.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:06:16 -0500, " JimH" not telling you @
pffftt.com wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


Sail storage?

Eisboch


Powder keg?

Perhaps, but more likely to store the monkeys.

http://www.timewarptoys.com/barrel.jpg

Ferrets. Ferrets in a barrel.

I have a friend who has a ferret. When he ran his 6 pac boat, stupid ferret
fell off a couple of times. Luckily no big striper swimming by at the
moment.