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OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:26:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: population of this country. Any statistics professor could help you with that, although you'd probably get upset and call him a fag. Provide yours..then Ill refute with mine. Double dog dare you. Gunner First of all, someone here already provided the stats which refute your silly theory. There's no point in my repeating it. I *will* do something for you, though. Tell me what town & state you live in, and give me you phone number. I'll contact the nearest high school or college, find a statistics teacher, and have that person get in touch with you. If you can shut the phuque up long enough to listen to them, you'll learn something. Ah..no. They provided Some cites from Some locations I strongly suggest you review exactly what I claimed. Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:41:49 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:31:30 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman" wrote: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html Paul K. Dickman Check the stats for California. But thanks for the nice post. Now getting back to California again.... Oh, -HELL- no. You didn't say -squat- about "California" in your bigoted rant. Really? Nor did I say anything about any other part of the country either, you marxist spittoon. You taunted Paul to produce the numbers, and he Pro-Pimp Bitchslapped you. Right. oh **** yes Don't be trying to switch the context now that you're in the hole. Which context would that be? I said our prisons. **** dude..why didnt you provide cites for britian, since there must be some brits reading this? Yall rise to the bait like a school of minnows. http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal..._United_States The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI’s “Crime in the United States” (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don’t know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It’s BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample’s 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. |
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Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing So you can't prove ****, other than the ability to make sophomoric insults. Got it. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. |
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"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either. In his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been a political football. Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines will become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm Interesting stats. What do they mean to you? |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:13:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? Im self employed, and in my field..there are few "cheaper" workers. On the other hand..I work with hispanic workers every day, and by and large I like them very much. Most are very hard working, respectable, and generally very good people. Es verdad. Im an independant machine tool repair guy, serviceing machine shops and manufacturing industry in So. Cal. So Im working with hispanics daily, and as I said above..I like them. I eat with them, work with them, and date the occasional hispanic lady. But that doesnt change the fact that illegals have much higher crime rates than do legals and citizens (with the exception of blacks). The reasons are myriad..but first and foremost..most illegals..particularly hispanics who come to Unitos Estadas..are from the very bottom of the various hispanic nations social and economic classes. Poorly educated, many times on the run from their own countries justice system. Prone to violence, particularly when boracho...bringing their own cultureal mores with them. Mexico for example..has a total ban on firearms..yet has one of the highest rape and homicide rates in the world. Its a cultural thing. Machismo first and foremost. They come to America, are qualified for only the meanest of labor jobs, but can make, what is to them.damned fine money (Average wage in Mexico for example..is $5/day..other countries even lower). Many were affiliated with family or criminal groups in their own countries..such as MS-13, and join the American branches when they arrive, providing them some security in a strange new country. The ability to blend into the population is great, they have easy access to changes of identity and the "underground" is huge and wide spread. When they commit a crime, they easily evade law enforcement by simply moving on, or by getting a new ID. Or simply going back across the border until the heat dies down. Movement across the border is easy, once they have friends and family in the US, and as I said..changes of identity easy. I can get a new set of ID, right down to the pocket lint, for at most $150, at any swap meet or public park, here in So. Cal. So the opportunity for those of criminal bent to get away with it is very easy. Until very recently..hispanics are listed as "caucasian" in the crime stats..so their actual effect on the crime rates has been harder to define, but the FBI (Ive posted the links) and the DOJ have been breaking it down and yes..Illegals make up a large portion of the criminals who commit acts of violence. The city and county of Los Angeles for example, report that between 28 and 33% of their jail and prison populations are illegals. Few are asian or "other" nationalities. Its the culture, unfortunately, as is the black population, which makes up about 19% of our citizens..but make up about 48% of our prison populations (nation wide)..another group that is unfortunately way too over represented in the penal system. Its NOT the race..but the cultures they come from, and the attitudes and mind sets they carry as a result, plus the ease with which they move inside the US..and sadly..the opportunities to commit crimes are myriad..as is the low likely hood of being caught the first/second/third time they commit one. So the social costs, just in crime alone, not counting the entitlement costs, of illegals in the US, is a burden that every one has to bear..and its a huge one. Low wages? Indeed. Illegals harm both legal aliens and illegal aliens by providing a low skilled labor force desperate to earn any amount of money and bringing the wages down for all. In fact..the group most hurt by illegals, are blacks. Historically, blacks have filled most of the low skill, bottom tier labor force and they have been edged out by a group who is willing to perform the same jobs for half of the traditional wages. This can be seen in ag, construction, service industry and so forth. Illegals really dont directly hurt the middle class, except in crime, increased taxes to cover their social and penal costs, and in many cases, lowered property values. But those costs alone are exceptionally high in many parts of the US. California for example has lost 87 emergency rooms in the last 10 yrs, with more desperatly trying to stay afloat. And Im sure I dont have to tell you why..or do I? It appears your ignorance is boundless on this subject. I wonder...do you have ANY idea of why blacks and hispanics make up a significant portion of the anti-illegal groups, the Minutemen included? Obviously your kneejerk cry of "racism" has fallen flat on its face. so dont bother with that bull**** mantra. Actually do some research, get off your fat white ass and look at the problem..instead of parroting some leftist propaganda sound bites. It will be an eye opener for you. Gunner Asch Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and ignorance is boundless. Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:13:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? Im self employed, and in my field..there are few "cheaper" workers. On the other hand..I work with hispanic workers every day, and by and large I like them very much. Most are very hard working, respectable, and generally very good people. Es verdad. Im an independant machine tool repair guy, serviceing machine shops and manufacturing industry in So. Cal. So Im working with hispanics daily, and as I said above..I like them. I eat with them, work with them, and date the occasional hispanic lady. But that doesnt change the fact that illegals have much higher crime rates than do legals and citizens (with the exception of blacks). The reasons are myriad..but first and foremost..most illegals..particularly hispanics who come to Unitos Estadas..are from the very bottom of the various hispanic nations social and economic classes. Poorly educated, many times on the run from their own countries justice system. Prone to violence, particularly when boracho...bringing their own cultureal mores with them. Mexico for example..has a total ban on firearms..yet has one of the highest rape and homicide rates in the world. Its a cultural thing. Machismo first and foremost. They come to America, are qualified for only the meanest of labor jobs, but can make, what is to them.damned fine money (Average wage in Mexico for example..is $5/day..other countries even lower). Many were affiliated with family or criminal groups in their own countries..such as MS-13, and join the American branches when they arrive, providing them some security in a strange new country. The ability to blend into the population is great, they have easy access to changes of identity and the "underground" is huge and wide spread. When they commit a crime, they easily evade law enforcement by simply moving on, or by getting a new ID. Or simply going back across the border until the heat dies down. Movement across the border is easy, once they have friends and family in the US, and as I said..changes of identity easy. I can get a new set of ID, right down to the pocket lint, for at most $150, at any swap meet or public park, here in So. Cal. So the opportunity for those of criminal bent to get away with it is very easy. Until very recently..hispanics are listed as "caucasian" in the crime stats..so their actual effect on the crime rates has been harder to define, but the FBI (Ive posted the links) and the DOJ have been breaking it down and yes..Illegals make up a large portion of the criminals who commit acts of violence. The city and county of Los Angeles for example, report that between 28 and 33% of their jail and prison populations are illegals. Few are asian or "other" nationalities. Its the culture, unfortunately, as is the black population, which makes up about 19% of our citizens..but make up about 48% of our prison populations (nation wide)..another group that is unfortunately way too over represented in the penal system. Its NOT the race..but the cultures they come from, and the attitudes and mind sets they carry as a result, plus the ease with which they move inside the US..and sadly..the opportunities to commit crimes are myriad..as is the low likely hood of being caught the first/second/third time they commit one. So the social costs, just in crime alone, not counting the entitlement costs, of illegals in the US, is a burden that every one has to bear..and its a huge one. Low wages? Indeed. Illegals harm both legal aliens and illegal aliens by providing a low skilled labor force desperate to earn any amount of money and bringing the wages down for all. In fact..the group most hurt by illegals, are blacks. Historically, blacks have filled most of the low skill, bottom tier labor force and they have been edged out by a group who is willing to perform the same jobs for half of the traditional wages. This can be seen in ag, construction, service industry and so forth. Illegals really dont directly hurt the middle class, except in crime, increased taxes to cover their social and penal costs, and in many cases, lowered property values. But those costs alone are exceptionally high in many parts of the US. California for example has lost 87 emergency rooms in the last 10 yrs, with more desperatly trying to stay afloat. And Im sure I dont have to tell you why..or do I? It appears your ignorance is boundless on this subject. I wonder...do you have ANY idea of why blacks and hispanics make up a significant portion of the anti-illegal groups, the Minutemen included? Obviously your kneejerk cry of "racism" has fallen flat on its face. so dont bother with that bull**** mantra. Actually do some research, get off your fat white ass and look at the problem..instead of parroting some leftist propaganda sound bites. It will be an eye opener for you. Gunner Asch To be perfectly honest, I have different priorities than you do, when it comes to dealing with violence. I'm more focused on why three or four elected officials and one or two shady advisors continue to live in luxury, at known addresses, even though they're responsible for the deaths of 2800 Americans. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. No..you are not. You shop like a yuppie. Eastern nor Northwestern Yuppie at that. This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. It wouldnt bother me in the slightest..as you keep forgetting something..we will pay on one end of the chain or the other. Increased costs of goods and services, or increased taxes and infrastructure costs to cover the societal costs of illegals. Chuckle..Im quite familiar with economics of this issue. Btw...it would only increase the price of a head of lettuce(US produced) by about $.17) I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either. In his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been a political football. Snicker..again you are wrong. Ive many friends who own restaurants, as well as those who work there. Most of the workers are legals, or low tier citizens. In many cases..they used to be black, now they are hispanic. Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines will become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this. Odd..before the sudden influx in the last 15 yrs of illegals..I dont recall $20 bowls of soup, do you? And what percentage of illegals actually work in agriculture? Its only a small fraction of the total influx. In fact..the vast majority of ag workers are campasenos..legal seasonal workers who go home at the end of the season. They are well paid, minimum wage or better, just like a citizen would be. The government has focused on Agriculture..so it tends to be far cleaner than most other industries in the US as far as legal/illegal workforces go. Do either of you buffoons actually live where there is an illegal workforce? You twits sound like a pair of Beltway or northwestern upscale yuppies who cant find your ass with either hand. Either in college, living with mommy and daddy, or working in some job that seldom gets your hands dirty. Pitiful actually. Yall need to get out a bit more. Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. No..you are not. You shop like a yuppie. Eastern nor Northwestern Yuppie at that. Really? Because of the source? Show me another place to get long & tall size shirts which don't also have an extra yard of material around the middle for fat slobs. Be sure you've bought from this source, as well as the other two, so you're positive the quality's the same. Or, keep the advice. This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. It wouldnt bother me in the slightest..as you keep forgetting something..we will pay on one end of the chain or the other. Increased costs of goods and services, or increased taxes and infrastructure costs to cover the societal costs of illegals. Chuckle..Im quite familiar with economics of this issue. Btw...it would only increase the price of a head of lettuce(US produced) by about $.17) Obesity puts a huge strain on the medical system in this country. Nobody wants to throw fatsos out of the country. I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either. In his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been a political football. Snicker..again you are wrong. Ive many friends who own restaurants, as well as those who work there. Most of the workers are legals, or low tier citizens. In many cases..they used to be black, now they are hispanic. Your job has apparently taken you to every restaurant in America. Nice work, if you can get it. Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines will become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this. Odd..before the sudden influx in the last 15 yrs of illegals..I dont recall $20 bowls of soup, do you? And what percentage of illegals actually work in agriculture? Its only a small fraction of the total influx. In fact..the vast majority of ag workers are campasenos..legal seasonal workers who go home at the end of the season. They are well paid, minimum wage or better, just like a citizen would be. The government has focused on Agriculture..so it tends to be far cleaner than most other industries in the US as far as legal/illegal workforces go. Do either of you buffoons actually live where there is an illegal workforce? You twits sound like a pair of Beltway or northwestern upscale yuppies who cant find your ass with either hand. Either in college, living with mommy and daddy, or working in some job that seldom gets your hands dirty. Umm...upstate New York. Now, you'll probably say something I'm accustomed to hearing in the rec.guns newsgroup, from people who've never set foot out of Lower Podunk, KY. Surprise me. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and ignorance is boundless. Name and phone number? "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm Interesting stats. What do they mean to you? It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons. And what do they mean to you? Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:53:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: It will be an eye opener for you. Gunner Asch To be perfectly honest, I have different priorities than you do, when it comes to dealing with violence. I'm more focused on why three or four elected officials and one or two shady advisors continue to live in luxury, at known addresses, even though they're responsible for the deaths of 2800 Americans. So in other words..you are a preprogrammed partisan hack with only one agenda and admittedly ignorant as a bag of hammers about the illegal issue, about which you have expounded at some length. Would that be a fair summation? Gunner Asch Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message m... The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm Interesting stats. What do they mean to you? It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons. And what do they mean to you? Gunner I agree with your last statement. But, those numbers don't indicate anything about illegal immigrants unless more detail is provided. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:07:30 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and ignorance is boundless. Name and phone number? Of whom/what? Gunner "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:06:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. No..you are not. You shop like a yuppie. Eastern nor Northwestern Yuppie at that. Really? Because of the source? Show me another place to get long & tall size shirts which don't also have an extra yard of material around the middle for fat slobs. Be sure you've bought from this source, as well as the other two, so you're positive the quality's the same. Or, keep the advice. Shepplers, Sears Big and Tall, Dahles, just to name a few. Btw..Im 6'3, 210, 18" neck, 36" waist, with a 34-36" inseam. When I stand, and look down..I can see my belt buckle. I wear a 48 coat. Hardly a "fat slob" eh? This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. It wouldnt bother me in the slightest..as you keep forgetting something..we will pay on one end of the chain or the other. Increased costs of goods and services, or increased taxes and infrastructure costs to cover the societal costs of illegals. Chuckle..Im quite familiar with economics of this issue. Btw...it would only increase the price of a head of lettuce(US produced) by about $.17) Obesity puts a huge strain on the medical system in this country. Nobody wants to throw fatsos out of the country. I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either. In his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been a political football. Snicker..again you are wrong. Ive many friends who own restaurants, as well as those who work there. Most of the workers are legals, or low tier citizens. In many cases..they used to be black, now they are hispanic. Your job has apparently taken you to every restaurant in America. Nice work, if you can get it. So your job HAS taken you to every restaurant in America? Food critic perhaps? And you dont buy fat slob clothes? Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines will become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this. Odd..before the sudden influx in the last 15 yrs of illegals..I dont recall $20 bowls of soup, do you? And what percentage of illegals actually work in agriculture? Its only a small fraction of the total influx. In fact..the vast majority of ag workers are campasenos..legal seasonal workers who go home at the end of the season. They are well paid, minimum wage or better, just like a citizen would be. The government has focused on Agriculture..so it tends to be far cleaner than most other industries in the US as far as legal/illegal workforces go. Do either of you buffoons actually live where there is an illegal workforce? You twits sound like a pair of Beltway or northwestern upscale yuppies who cant find your ass with either hand. Either in college, living with mommy and daddy, or working in some job that seldom gets your hands dirty. Umm...upstate New York. Now, you'll probably say something I'm accustomed to hearing in the rec.guns newsgroup, from people who've never set foot out of Lower Podunk, KY. Surprise me. Upscale NY..now there is a hotbed of illegal aliens. Oh **** yes. The Finger Lakes are beautiful this time of the year, arent they? So...it appears you have confirmed my comments on needing to get out a bit more. Pity. Gunner, posting from Ontario, California..later this evening will be traveling to his home outside of Bakersfield, in Californias Central Valley. Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:07:30 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and ignorance is boundless. Name and phone number? Of whom/what? What a keyboard pussy. Gunner "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:06:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. No..you are not. You shop like a yuppie. Eastern nor Northwestern Yuppie at that. Really? Because of the source? Show me another place to get long & tall size shirts which don't also have an extra yard of material around the middle for fat slobs. Be sure you've bought from this source, as well as the other two, so you're positive the quality's the same. Or, keep the advice. Shepplers, Sears Big and Tall, Dahles, just to name a few. Btw..Im 6'3, 210, 18" neck, 36" waist, with a 34-36" inseam. When I stand, and look down..I can see my belt buckle. I wear a 48 coat. Hardly a "fat slob" eh? This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. It wouldnt bother me in the slightest..as you keep forgetting something..we will pay on one end of the chain or the other. Increased costs of goods and services, or increased taxes and infrastructure costs to cover the societal costs of illegals. Chuckle..Im quite familiar with economics of this issue. Btw...it would only increase the price of a head of lettuce(US produced) by about $.17) Obesity puts a huge strain on the medical system in this country. Nobody wants to throw fatsos out of the country. I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either. In his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been a political football. Snicker..again you are wrong. Ive many friends who own restaurants, as well as those who work there. Most of the workers are legals, or low tier citizens. In many cases..they used to be black, now they are hispanic. Your job has apparently taken you to every restaurant in America. Nice work, if you can get it. So your job HAS taken you to every restaurant in America? Food critic perhaps? And you dont buy fat slob clothes? Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines will become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this. Odd..before the sudden influx in the last 15 yrs of illegals..I dont recall $20 bowls of soup, do you? And what percentage of illegals actually work in agriculture? Its only a small fraction of the total influx. In fact..the vast majority of ag workers are campasenos..legal seasonal workers who go home at the end of the season. They are well paid, minimum wage or better, just like a citizen would be. The government has focused on Agriculture..so it tends to be far cleaner than most other industries in the US as far as legal/illegal workforces go. Do either of you buffoons actually live where there is an illegal workforce? You twits sound like a pair of Beltway or northwestern upscale yuppies who cant find your ass with either hand. Either in college, living with mommy and daddy, or working in some job that seldom gets your hands dirty. Umm...upstate New York. Now, you'll probably say something I'm accustomed to hearing in the rec.guns newsgroup, from people who've never set foot out of Lower Podunk, KY. Surprise me. Upscale NY..now there is a hotbed of illegal aliens. Oh **** yes. The Finger Lakes are beautiful this time of the year, arent they? So...it appears you have confirmed my comments on needing to get out a bit more. Pity. I see. You think the crops here jump off the plants into the boxes by themselves. What percentage of the workers are legal vs illegal? |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:53:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: It will be an eye opener for you. Gunner Asch To be perfectly honest, I have different priorities than you do, when it comes to dealing with violence. I'm more focused on why three or four elected officials and one or two shady advisors continue to live in luxury, at known addresses, even though they're responsible for the deaths of 2800 Americans. So in other words..you are a preprogrammed partisan hack with only one agenda and admittedly ignorant as a bag of hammers about the illegal issue, about which you have expounded at some length. Would that be a fair summation? Gunner Asch Because you incessantly resort to insults, it's clear you feel strongly about this immigrant thing. I think you should find a way to skim some of the money just appropriated for your president's big fence. There should be plenty, since it won't work, and probably will never get started. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:41:49 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:31:30 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman" wrote: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html Paul K. Dickman http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal..._United_States The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. Been down at the fruit stand comparing apples and oranges again Gunner. The GAO's numbers are arrests that led to imprisonment, the FBI list all arrests. A quick scan down the list shows arrests for disorderly conduct, vagrancy, runaways and curfew violation. These arrests add up to 5990217 (or 42.5%) of the 14094186 total So 11093785 arrests were able to lead to more time in jail than it took for booking and arraignment. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html Actually, it showed 11.5%, but hell, we'll include arson. That will bring it up to 11.7% and we'll round up There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. Wait a minute, You said it was 30 million the other day. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), According to; http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim04.pdf Blacks make up 38.6% of our prison population when according to; http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_race.html they only make up 12.06% of the population. some groups are overrepresented in out prison population. Particularly when one of the crimes they are imprisoned for is the fact that they are illegal aliens. and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) Here again we need to review the FBI data. The FBI only lists murder, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault as violent crimes. To get Our 12% for illegals, we included all sex crimes including prostitution, all assaults and (now) arson. If we add those arrests to the FBI's violent crime number, we get 2097748 equivalent violent crimes out of 11093785 significant arrests or 18.9% So our 12% is back down below the national average In fact they make up only 8.2% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (18.9% of 2,079K = 392.9, 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 /392.9 = 8.2%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. No actually they are only 63.5% as likely to have committed violent crimes as the prison population on the whole. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be: 48.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 42.456 (48.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 8 were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 1208 non-aliens. So, now our illegal alien population is one third as likely as an american citizen to be incarcerated as a violent criminal. Paul K. Dickman "I do my own cooking, and I know a souffle when I see it." James Garner in the Rockford Files |
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"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message ... I'm sorry, I am extremely tired,and I filled the wrong data for the last paragraph of my last post I typed No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be: 48.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 42.456 (48.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 8 were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 1208 non-aliens. That was the based on data for only state and federal prisons. The numbers including local jails is below No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be: 72.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 63.336 (72.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 12 were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 805 non-aliens. Paul K. Dickman "I do my own cooking, and I know a souffle when I see it." James Garner in the Rockford Files |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:32:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: Upscale NY..now there is a hotbed of illegal aliens. Oh **** yes. The Finger Lakes are beautiful this time of the year, arent they? So...it appears you have confirmed my comments on needing to get out a bit more. Pity. I see. You think the crops here jump off the plants into the boxes by themselves. What percentage of the workers are legal vs illegal? Crops come off the plants in New York the same way they do in California. By machine or by hand. Here in California...most of the workers are legal. Percentage wise..probably 70/30 legal to illegal. ICE and the State have been fairly proactive. On the other hand..small business outside of agriculture makes up the majority of illegal labor. Everything from sweat shops to plating shops to yard service and day labor. And a large majority of some of those industries are comprised of illegals. Illegals with false ID. I was talking to the book keeper of a medium sized machine shop..180 employees. They have as many as 8 people using the same Social Security number. A total of about 75 people with duplicate Social Security numbers. And its unlawful for them to find out from the State which ones are legal or illegal. Once every couple years..the State sends a query about duplicate numbers..the employees are asked..they slap themselves on the forehead..say Aheee! My Mistake..and give HR a different Social Security number. Ive talked candidly with many illegals in the machine shops I work in..and most of them have at least 3 social security numbers written down in their wallets or purses, for just such a circumstance. We had another DMV ******* popped last week. Taking an existing drivers license, changing the address and the picture and the name.and selling them to illegals for $500-1800 a pop. What could be more legitimate...an ID right straight from the DMV. Too bad its bogus..but it sure LOOKs legal with all the proper holligrams and embossing. Though I can buy a decent set of ID at an swap meet or park..give em $150, a small photo..and hang around for an hour..and a runner brings it back to me..and damned hard to spot as counterfiet. I know..I used to be a cop here in California. Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:25:02 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:07:30 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and ignorance is boundless. Name and phone number? Of whom/what? What a keyboard pussy. Serious question Bitch. Of whom/what? Gunner Gunner "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:34:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:53:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: It will be an eye opener for you. Gunner Asch To be perfectly honest, I have different priorities than you do, when it comes to dealing with violence. I'm more focused on why three or four elected officials and one or two shady advisors continue to live in luxury, at known addresses, even though they're responsible for the deaths of 2800 Americans. So in other words..you are a preprogrammed partisan hack with only one agenda and admittedly ignorant as a bag of hammers about the illegal issue, about which you have expounded at some length. Would that be a fair summation? Gunner Asch Because you incessantly resort to insults, it's clear you feel strongly about this immigrant thing. I think you should find a way to skim some of the money just appropriated for your president's big fence. There should be plenty, since it won't work, and probably will never get started. Yes..I feel VERY strongly about the Illegal issue. And more so everyday. They closed the ER AND the hospital down here in the small town I live in..because of the illegals. And now the closest emergency medical care is 42 miles away. People are dying in transit now...because of Illegals. Property taxes are high..California has one of the highest tax rates in the US..because of Illegals. School districts are overcrowded and dumbed down because of illegals. Crime is way up and in many places, its no longer safe to travel, because of illegals. The Fence? Its going up. Why do you say it wont work? Many stretches along Californias southern borders are already working. The anti-illegal movement is growning..the majority of the People are strongly in favor of stopping illegal immigration..to the tune of some 80 or more percent. So its going up. And when that stretch is completed..more will go up. Odd that you should even think about ripping off the government, and by extension..the People. It would appear, that no only are you stupid (statement of fact) but also have serious charector issues. Its only an insult when its not true. Nothing Ive said so far..that you consider an :insult:...has been untrue. Though from your point of view..deep in denial..I can understand it. Child molesters dont like to be labled child molesters anymore than the buffoonish like to be labled buffoons. Must such to be you. So kick back, enjoy the fall colors, get ready for winter and let the heavy issues be settled by people who actually give a ****. Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:14:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message om... The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm Interesting stats. What do they mean to you? It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons. And what do they mean to you? Gunner I agree with your last statement. But, those numbers don't indicate anything about illegal immigrants unless more detail is provided. was this your question or not?: "Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons." Or are you trying to do another goalpost change once that I provided them from irrefutable sources? Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:08:07 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote: "Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message ... I'm sorry, I am extremely tired,and I filled the wrong data for the last paragraph of my last post I typed No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be: 48.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 42.456 (48.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 8 were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 1208 non-aliens. That was the based on data for only state and federal prisons. The numbers including local jails is below No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be: 72.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 63.336 (72.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 12 were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 805 non-aliens. You also missed this data source http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:14:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message m... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message news:gs43k210l98sl4h30jmemjjh4pp8mbb0q2@4ax. com... The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm Interesting stats. What do they mean to you? It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons. And what do they mean to you? Gunner I agree with your last statement. But, those numbers don't indicate anything about illegal immigrants unless more detail is provided. was this your question or not?: "Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons." Or are you trying to do another goalpost change once that I provided them from irrefutable sources? No. It was the first step on the way to my last question, about illegal immigrants. Now that you've (correctly) pointed out differences between certain groups, do you have any theories as to why these differences exist? |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:32:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Upscale NY..now there is a hotbed of illegal aliens. Oh **** yes. The Finger Lakes are beautiful this time of the year, arent they? So...it appears you have confirmed my comments on needing to get out a bit more. Pity. I see. You think the crops here jump off the plants into the boxes by themselves. What percentage of the workers are legal vs illegal? Crops come off the plants in New York the same way they do in California. By machine or by hand. Here in California...most of the workers are legal. Percentage wise..probably 70/30 legal to illegal. ICE and the State have been fairly proactive. On the other hand..small business outside of agriculture makes up the majority of illegal labor. Everything from sweat shops to plating shops to yard service and day labor. And a large majority of some of those industries are comprised of illegals. Illegals with false ID. The ratio is about 50/50 here. But, you knew that. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:34:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:53:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: It will be an eye opener for you. Gunner Asch To be perfectly honest, I have different priorities than you do, when it comes to dealing with violence. I'm more focused on why three or four elected officials and one or two shady advisors continue to live in luxury, at known addresses, even though they're responsible for the deaths of 2800 Americans. So in other words..you are a preprogrammed partisan hack with only one agenda and admittedly ignorant as a bag of hammers about the illegal issue, about which you have expounded at some length. Would that be a fair summation? Gunner Asch Because you incessantly resort to insults, it's clear you feel strongly about this immigrant thing. I think you should find a way to skim some of the money just appropriated for your president's big fence. There should be plenty, since it won't work, and probably will never get started. Yes..I feel VERY strongly about the Illegal issue. And more so everyday. They closed the ER AND the hospital down here in the small town I live in..because of the illegals. And now the closest emergency medical care is 42 miles away. People are dying in transit now...because of Illegals. Property taxes are high..California has one of the highest tax rates in the US..because of Illegals. School districts are overcrowded and dumbed down because of illegals. Crime is way up and in many places, its no longer safe to travel, because of illegals. The Fence? Its going up. Why do you say it wont work? Many stretches along Californias southern borders are already working. The anti-illegal movement is growning..the majority of the People are strongly in favor of stopping illegal immigration..to the tune of some 80 or more percent. So its going up. And when that stretch is completed..more will go up. Odd that you should even think about ripping off the government, and by extension..the People. It would appear, that no only are you stupid (statement of fact) but also have serious charector issues. Its only an insult when its not true. Nothing Ive said so far..that you consider an :insult:...has been untrue. Though from your point of view..deep in denial..I can understand it. Child molesters dont like to be labled child molesters anymore than the buffoonish like to be labled buffoons. Must such to be you. So kick back, enjoy the fall colors, get ready for winter and let the heavy issues be settled by people who actually give a ****. Gunner Skimming is suspected to be eating up almost 20% of the so-called reconstruction budget in Iraq. The same will happen with your president's fence project. Since you're one of "the people", you may as well get back some of your hard earned money. |
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Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:14:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in the United States" (CIUS). http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000 of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc. GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners, 12% had been arrested for violent crimes. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of those are illegal aliens. Conclusions: * Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4% of residents. * Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K. 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%) * 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives, naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%. What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal underworld? It's BAD. In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be: 333 illegal aliens, of those 9 are jailed, and of those 1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309 illegal aliens. Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be: 60 jailed, and of those 3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 3,729 non-aliens. So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 / 309 = 12.1) Two things: 1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a tactical error? 2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm Interesting stats. What do they mean to you? It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons. And what do they mean to you? Gunner I agree with your last statement. But, those numbers don't indicate anything about illegal immigrants unless more detail is provided. was this your question or not?: "Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are overrepresented in the prisons." Or are you trying to do another goalpost change once that I provided them from irrefutable sources? Just ignore Doug, aka JoeSpareBedroom, he can't get anybody outside of this newsgroup to interact with him and he does a good job of offending everyone here too. |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. .. Just ignore Doug, aka JoeSpareBedroom, he can't get anybody outside of this newsgroup to interact with him and he does a good job of offending everyone here too. Bert's crowning achievement: Connecting my name to my nickname. What's next in this Mensa demo, Bert? Remembering where you put the car keys an hour ago? Buttering toast without poking your eye out? |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. Doubling the wages of the lettuce picker wouldn't come close to doubling the cost of lettuce. It may add a few pennies per head, but that's it. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. Doubling the wages of the lettuce picker wouldn't come close to doubling the cost of lettuce. It may add a few pennies per head, but that's it. That's based on an incorrect assumption. I would expect a teacher to stumble here. You did. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:36:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. Doubling the wages of the lettuce picker wouldn't come close to doubling the cost of lettuce. It may add a few pennies per head, but that's it. That's based on an incorrect assumption. I would expect a teacher to stumble here. You did. right Proud of that? |
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On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:59:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:36:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" wrote: You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails. They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch. Nope..they all have to originate from or several others with spam protection built in And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I note in disgust in passing Snicker Gunner Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the presence of cheaper workers? It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he was employed. Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is here to stay. The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them, but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical buyer. This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work. Doubling the wages of the lettuce picker wouldn't come close to doubling the cost of lettuce. It may add a few pennies per head, but that's it. That's based on an incorrect assumption. I would expect a teacher to stumble here. You did. right Proud of that? right |
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