Harry Krause wrote:
On 10/13/2006 11:25 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I'd still rather she went with a Toyota.


Toyota has gone almost full circle. They are currently in the
recovery phase of poor quality, numerous recalls and the decline of
their good reputation. Just like the American automobile industry did.

Eisboch



I suppose. I have a 2004 on which I have not had to spend a nickel,
beyond normal maintenance items. Nothing has broken or even worked loose.

I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

"Don White" wrote in message
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I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Eisboch


Yeah. The "thing" is that when they compare brand new cars, they still find
more little defects in GM, Ford & Chrysler cars. Even if it's just a crooked
kick panel, it should make people wonder what else was done carelessly.

Yeah. The "thing" is that when they compare brand new cars, they still find
more little defects in GM, Ford & Chrysler cars. Even if it's just a crooked
kick panel, it should make people wonder what else was done carelessly.




I noticed a lot of little nags like that on a rental Ford. It really is
a shame, I'd love to be proud of cars built in this country, at one
point in time we built the best stuff in the world, now it's a miracle
we can build anything at all. Heck by the time I got to highschool the
metal and wood shops had already been shut down. Everything is being
outsourced and everyone is so obsessed with buying the absolute cheapest
anything. It's getting hard to find quality tools even, brand names are
largely irrelevant, reputable names often nothing beyond stickers
slapped on the latest Chinese junk.

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Yeah. The "thing" is that when they compare brand new cars, they still
find more little defects in GM, Ford & Chrysler cars. Even if it's just a
crooked kick panel, it should make people wonder what else was done
carelessly.


I noticed a lot of little nags like that on a rental Ford. It really is a
shame, I'd love to be proud of cars built in this country, at one point in
time we built the best stuff in the world, now it's a miracle we can build
anything at all. Heck by the time I got to highschool the metal and wood
shops had already been shut down. Everything is being outsourced and
everyone is so obsessed with buying the absolute cheapest anything. It's
getting hard to find quality tools even, brand names are largely
irrelevant, reputable names often nothing beyond stickers slapped on the
latest Chinese junk.

I test drove a Dodge sedan - the big one - I forget the name. The panel
under the steering wheel fell off completely when I went over a bump. The
factory forgot to put the speed clips over the plastic tabs. There was
nothing for the sheet metal screws to thread into. How the thing stayed on
that long, I have no idea.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:10:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Well, I'm a bit prejudiced I suppose since we've had two Corollas, a
Camry, and a Tundra. All have been great vehicles. The two Corollas
went close to, or over, 200K miles and were still running when we
sold them. The '92 Camry is at 200K and is still being driven by my
youngest son every day in and out of NYC. It still looks good and
runs well.

The 2002 Tundra is a youngster at 60K miles and is showing every sign
of lasting longer than I will.

I think Consumer Reports is right on the money with Toyota.

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Wasn't Consumer Reports involved in a little problem with selling
ratings or some other unethical practices a few years ago?

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:20:28 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Wasn't Consumer Reports involved in a little problem with selling
ratings or some other unethical practices a few years ago?

I've been taking CR for quite a while now, and I don't recall that. Any
info on it?

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:20:28 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Wasn't Consumer Reports involved in a little problem with selling
ratings or some other unethical practices a few years ago?


I've been taking CR for quite a while now, and I don't recall that. Any
info on it?


Bert is mixed up with the story about one of the smaller SUV
manufacturers complaining when CR said their vehicle was tipsy if driven
too fast into curves.

Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would
be interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the
new RAV6


Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.


Wasn't Consumer Reports involved in a little problem with selling
ratings or some other unethical practices a few years ago?


Bull****!