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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:00:27 GMT, Tom Francis wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:40:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

I have always been leary of CR, but when I looked at MSN consumer
reviews, Toyota still had great reviews, a 8.1 from users.

Then I checked Honda and they had a 9.3.

Toyota and Honda used to run neck and neck, it appears Honda has jumped
ahead in the mid-size sedan.

That's entirely subjective and a matter of perception.

Have you checked out Telemarketer's Nightmare 'over there'? I definitely
thought of you when I put it there.

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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:40:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:


Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...


I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Eisboch



I have always been leary of CR, but when I looked at MSN consumer
reviews, Toyota still had great reviews, a 8.1 from users.

Then I checked Honda and they had a 9.3.

Toyota and Honda used to run neck and neck, it appears Honda has jumped
ahead in the mid-size sedan.


I've found Consumer Reports online to be a valuable source of information
on a range of products.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm

It also makes me popular with family and friends who call wanting the
latest info!


Same here. My sister sends my nices to me for an 'insider' opinion.
One bought the Toyota Sienna minivan after I pointed out CR's ratings.
One brother-in-law is still a hard sell though. He's mostly mad because
the local Toyota dealers are all owned by the same company and they
refuse to dicker.

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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:23:52 GMT, Don White wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:40:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:


Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...


I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Eisboch



I have always been leary of CR, but when I looked at MSN consumer
reviews, Toyota still had great reviews, a 8.1 from users.

Then I checked Honda and they had a 9.3.

Toyota and Honda used to run neck and neck, it appears Honda has jumped
ahead in the mid-size sedan.


I've found Consumer Reports online to be a valuable source of information
on a range of products.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm

It also makes me popular with family and friends who call wanting the
latest info!


Same here. My sister sends my nices to me for an 'insider' opinion.
One bought the Toyota Sienna minivan after I pointed out CR's ratings.
One brother-in-law is still a hard sell though. He's mostly mad because
the local Toyota dealers are all owned by the same company and they
refuse to dicker.

Both my daughters have the Honda Odyssey (sp?), but they got the info a few
years ago!

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Tom Francis wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:40:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6
Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.
I have always been leary of CR, but when I looked at MSN consumer
reviews, Toyota still had great reviews, a 8.1 from users.

Then I checked Honda and they had a 9.3.

Toyota and Honda used to run neck and neck, it appears Honda has jumped
ahead in the mid-size sedan.

That's entirely subjective and a matter of perception.

Sure it is, it is a subjective evaluation based upon whatever priorities
each owner places on their car. But then again, how many consumer
reviews are not subjective and based upon perception.

If you look at JD Powers you will see that even though they have gone ot
great lengths to break down the reviews into specific segments you will
see they are still very subjective and based upon perception.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would be
interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the new
RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Wasn't Consumer Reports involved in a little problem with selling
ratings or some other unethical practices a few years ago?

No.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would
be interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the
new RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Eisboch


I have always been leary of CR, but when I looked at MSN consumer
reviews, Toyota still had great reviews, a 8.1 from users.

CR does not always test the items in the manner that they are used in
over time. With small appliances the ratings are irrelevant due to the
low purchase cost and the hight maintenance cost. The wife just go a new
motor put into the vacuum cleaner for about $129 with $50 of it being
labor. Most likely we should have bought a new one.

Then I checked Honda and they had a 9.3.

I want to see rantings of the products over their expected life span.
With a care you need to come to me after 4 or 5 years and ask me what is
good and what sucks.

I laugh every time I hear about the JD Power Initial Quality ratings
being cited by car companies and car dealerships. Two or three months
with a car is not long enough to evaluate quality and if anything breaks
in the first six months the car company should be forced to purchase the
car back with interest.

Toyota and Honda used to run neck and neck, it appears Honda has jumped
ahead in the mid-size sedan.


I have owned a Honda but never a Toyota. If Honda ever comes out with a
Honda build truck, not that silly thing they are selling that people
thing is a truck, I would buy one.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

I suscribe to Consumer Reports and the main Toyota vehicles i would
be interested in are always at the top of the pack.
that is.. Sienna, Tundra, Corolla, Highlander, RAV4 and I expect the
new RAV6

Consumer Reports has a "thing" with Toyota and has for years.

Eisboch


I have always been leary of CR, but when I looked at MSN consumer
reviews, Toyota still had great reviews, a 8.1 from users.

CR does not always test the items in the manner that they are used in
over time. With small appliances the ratings are irrelevant due to the
low purchase cost and the hight maintenance cost. The wife just go a new
motor put into the vacuum cleaner for about $129 with $50 of it being
labor. Most likely we should have bought a new one.

One of the nice things about MSN Auto user reviews is you can look at
the reviews for a specific brand and model for a specific year (ie your
4 or 5 yr old car). CR reviews are based upon a very limited sample.
If they get a lemon to test, or they get a great product for their test,
it does not necessary reflect what the majority of users will buy.

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Harry Krause wrote:
On 10/13/2006 9:28 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

My lovely wife informed me the other day that she "really likes" the
new little Mustangs and might want to buy one.

She's looking at a 2007 "V6 Premium," with the 4 liter V6, 5-speed
auto, and anti-lock brakes with traction control, and a bunch of
other accessories. Our local dealer is more than willing to "make a
deal."

Any thoughts about this vehicle as an "everyday car?" Most of my
wife's driving is suburban, with very few trips of more than, say, 50
miles.

I drove such a vehicle recently and thought the power-brakes-handling
were more than adequate. Any ideas about gas mileage, reliability,
that sort of thing?

I'd prefer she buy a new top of the line Toyota, but she wants
something sportier.

Wimmins!


She'll probably get similar mileage with the 4.7L V8 and it'll make
it a lot "sportier".

Eisboch



She's a woman. To her, a sporty car is one that looks sporty. It doesn't
have to act sporty.

I'd still rather she went with a Toyota.

Odd choice from a union man...

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Dan wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
On 10/13/2006 9:28 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

My lovely wife informed me the other day that she "really likes" the
new little Mustangs and might want to buy one.

She's looking at a 2007 "V6 Premium," with the 4 liter V6, 5-speed
auto, and anti-lock brakes with traction control, and a bunch of
other accessories. Our local dealer is more than willing to "make a
deal."

Any thoughts about this vehicle as an "everyday car?" Most of my
wife's driving is suburban, with very few trips of more than, say,
50 miles.

I drove such a vehicle recently and thought the
power-brakes-handling were more than adequate. Any ideas about gas
mileage, reliability, that sort of thing?

I'd prefer she buy a new top of the line Toyota, but she wants
something sportier.

Wimmins!


She'll probably get similar mileage with the 4.7L V8 and it'll make
it a lot "sportier".

Eisboch



She's a woman. To her, a sporty car is one that looks sporty. It
doesn't have to act sporty.

I'd still rather she went with a Toyota.

Odd choice from a union man...

Harry is a union man until it comes to his wallet.

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Bert Robbins wrote:

Dan wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

On 10/13/2006 9:28 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

My lovely wife informed me the other day that she "really likes"
the new little Mustangs and might want to buy one.

She's looking at a 2007 "V6 Premium," with the 4 liter V6, 5-speed
auto, and anti-lock brakes with traction control, and a bunch of
other accessories. Our local dealer is more than willing to "make a
deal."

Any thoughts about this vehicle as an "everyday car?" Most of my
wife's driving is suburban, with very few trips of more than, say,
50 miles.

I drove such a vehicle recently and thought the
power-brakes-handling were more than adequate. Any ideas about gas
mileage, reliability, that sort of thing?

I'd prefer she buy a new top of the line Toyota, but she wants
something sportier.

Wimmins!



She'll probably get similar mileage with the 4.7L V8 and it'll make
it a lot "sportier".

Eisboch



She's a woman. To her, a sporty car is one that looks sporty. It
doesn't have to act sporty.

I'd still rather she went with a Toyota.


Odd choice from a union man...


Harry is a union man until it comes to his wallet.

Don't expect a response.