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Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the
motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. After trying to start it for a couple times, I finally manage to start it. Unfortunately, I cannot see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor cooling system. All I see is some smoke coming from the hole where the water stream is supposed to come out from. Despite the fact that the motor temperature was not overheating (only run it for 30 seconds or so), I decided to turn off the motor just to be in the safe side. My question is: Should I expect to see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor as soon as I start the motor? Does the motor need to reach a certain temperature before the water stream coming out? The boatowner manual said this: "2. If engine is cold, run engine for 1 or 2 minutes ... 3. After engine has warmed up, check water temperature gauge to ensure that engine temperature is not abnormally high... Check that water is running from the tell-tail on the back of the engine..." This seems to suggest that the telltail water stream may not come out if the engine is not warm enough. Considering the fact that the overheating warning horn doesn't sound, the cooling system may not really have a problem. However, the Mercury Operation & Maintenance Manual for my 1995 Mercury 115hp outboard said this differently: "10 Turn ignition key to START ...re-prime until engine is running smoothly. 11 Check for a steady stream of water flowing out of the water pump indicator hole. IMPORTANT: If no water is coming out of the water pump indicator hole, stop engine..." This surely seems like I should expect to see telltail water stream coming out as soon as I start the engine. Now, I am really confused with this conflicting info. Obviously, I don't want to risk overheating the motor. Can someone help me with this? Thanks in advance for any info. Jay Chan |
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Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
wrote in message ups.com... I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. After trying to start it for a couple times, I finally manage to start it. Unfortunately, I cannot see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor cooling system. All I see is some smoke coming from the hole where the water stream is supposed to come out from. Despite the fact that the motor temperature was not overheating (only run it for 30 seconds or so), I decided to turn off the motor just to be in the safe side. My question is: Should I expect to see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor as soon as I start the motor? Yes. Does the motor need to reach a certain temperature before the water stream coming out? No. The impeller is shot. Any easy replacement. Here is one source for the replacement kit. http://www.outboardparts.com/mercury...repairkits.htm |
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Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message . .. wrote in message ups.com... I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. After trying to start it for a couple times, I finally manage to start it. Unfortunately, I cannot see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor cooling system. All I see is some smoke coming from the hole where the water stream is supposed to come out from. Despite the fact that the motor temperature was not overheating (only run it for 30 seconds or so), I decided to turn off the motor just to be in the safe side. My question is: Should I expect to see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor as soon as I start the motor? Yes. Does the motor need to reach a certain temperature before the water stream coming out? No. The impeller is shot. An easy replacement. Here is one source for the replacement kit. http://www.outboardparts.com/mercury...repairkits.htm edit ('an', not 'any') |
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Tom Francis wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:28:21 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: Should I expect to see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor as soon as I start the motor? Within one or two seconds. Does the motor need to reach a certain temperature before the water stream coming out? No - the tell tale indicates that the impeller is working properly and that there is water flow through the engine. It works independently from the from the thermostat. If you are using mouse ears (flusher ears), make sure you are getting adequate flow - some ears can be problematic when it comes to providing water - it all depends on where the water intake is located on the lower unit. If you are using a barrel or tub, make sure you have adequate water in order to get the tell tale to work. Most likely the problem is lack of water, but you might have a bad impeller. The only real way to find that out is to make absolutely sure you have adequate water for the impeller to work on and try it. Give it ten seconds, then shut it off if no tell tale water stream appears. At that point, it's the impeller and you need to replace it. Thanks for the suggestion. The bucket is large and I have enough water in it to cover the water inlets of the lower unit. Seem like I should check if the hose connected to the telltail hole is blocked or not, and I also need to look into replacing the impeller in the lower unit. At this point, I tend to believe that the impeller may have some problem. The reason is that last fall when I tried to use an ear-muff attachment to winterize the motor, I also could not see the telltail from the motor. I ended up using the bucket to finish the task. Seem like the impeller might be at its last leg in last fall, and now it is done with. Jay Chan |
Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
JimH wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. After trying to start it for a couple times, I finally manage to start it. Unfortunately, I cannot see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor cooling system. All I see is some smoke coming from the hole where the water stream is supposed to come out from. Despite the fact that the motor temperature was not overheating (only run it for 30 seconds or so), I decided to turn off the motor just to be in the safe side. My question is: Should I expect to see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor as soon as I start the motor? Yes. Does the motor need to reach a certain temperature before the water stream coming out? No. The impeller is shot. Any easy replacement. Here is one source for the replacement kit. http://www.outboardparts.com/mercury...repairkits.htm Thanks for pointing out that I likely need to replace the impeller. And also thanks for the link to the impeller kit; I quite likely need to order one. Now, I need to write down on my boat-owner manual to expect to see the telltail right after I have started the motor -- to prevent it from confusing me again. Jay Chan |
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Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
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oups.com... Now, I need to write down on my boat-owner manual to expect to see the telltail right after I have started the motor -- to prevent it from confusing me again. Seriously??? Do you plan on looking at the manual every time you start the motor? Checking for cooling water should be as instinctive as making sure your dick's not about to be bitten by your pants zipper. |
Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
wrote in message ups.com... I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. After trying to start it for a couple times, I finally manage to start it. Unfortunately, I cannot see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor cooling system. All I see is some smoke coming from the hole where the water stream is supposed to come out from. Despite the fact that the motor temperature was not overheating (only run it for 30 seconds or so), I decided to turn off the motor just to be in the safe side. My question is: Should I expect to see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor as soon as I start the motor? Does the motor need to reach a certain temperature before the water stream coming out? The boatowner manual said this: "2. If engine is cold, run engine for 1 or 2 minutes ... 3. After engine has warmed up, check water temperature gauge to ensure that engine temperature is not abnormally high... Check that water is running from the tell-tail on the back of the engine..." This seems to suggest that the telltail water stream may not come out if the engine is not warm enough. Considering the fact that the overheating warning horn doesn't sound, the cooling system may not really have a problem. However, the Mercury Operation & Maintenance Manual for my 1995 Mercury 115hp outboard said this differently: "10 Turn ignition key to START ...re-prime until engine is running smoothly. 11 Check for a steady stream of water flowing out of the water pump indicator hole. IMPORTANT: If no water is coming out of the water pump indicator hole, stop engine..." This surely seems like I should expect to see telltail water stream coming out as soon as I start the engine. Now, I am really confused with this conflicting info. Obviously, I don't want to risk overheating the motor. Can someone help me with this? Thanks in advance for any info. Jay Chan Pull off the hose to the tell tale from inside the cowling. See if water comes out. Lots of times a bug builds a nest in the hole, or some other dirt plugs it up. Is a small orifice. |
Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
Checking for cooling water should be as instinctive as making sure
your dick's not about to be bitten by your pants zipper. Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Run a stiff wire up there and try it. Be very carefull that you don't get all this advice mixed up. Sam |
Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
"Sam" wrote in message ups.com... Checking for cooling water should be as instinctive as making sure your dick's not about to be bitten by your pants zipper. Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Run a stiff wire up there and try it. Be very carefull that you don't get all this advice mixed up. Sam When the dust settles Jay will still have to replace the impeller. This year he ran it for 30 seconds with no water stream but smoke/steam coming from the tell tale hole. Same thing last fall for who knows how long. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Now, I need to write down on my boat-owner manual to expect to see the telltail right after I have started the motor -- to prevent it from confusing me again. Seriously??? Do you plan on looking at the manual every time you start the motor? Checking for cooling water should be as instinctive as making sure your dick's not about to be bitten by your pants zipper. Yes, absolutely seriously. I have only used the remote-start control to started a motor for the grand total of may be 4 times (in two occasions) in my life (discounting the number of times when I started small motor in rental boat by hand pulling to start). I still have a learning curve to climb through. Jay Chan |
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Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
Gene wrote:
On 9 Oct 2006 08:17:13 -0700, " wrote: Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Some bugs like that size hole to lay an egg in and they mortar it shut. Run a stiff wire up there and try it. Thanks for the tip. This should be easy to try, and I will try this when I get back home today. But I have a feeling that the telltale hole is probably not plugged; otherwise, I should not see smoke coming out from the telltail hole. Considering this whole scenario.... you really shouldn't have seen smoke... regardless.... unless you didn't have a high enough water level in your "bucket." I'm betting that your pump impeller is toast. Once you get this damage repaired...... Forget the bucket and get some muffs that fit your motor. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- There was plenty of water in the bucket to cover all the water inlets in the lower unit. Somehow the ear-muff attachment didn't work for me last fall when I winterized the motor. I had tried three different versions of ear-muff attachment; neither worked. At that time, putting the lower unit inside the water bucket was the only way that worked (in the sense that I could see the telltail coming from the motor). Therefore, I choose the "tried and true" method when I need to winterize the motor now -- Unfortunately for me, this method doesn't work this time. Actually, I would much prefer to use the ear-muff attachment instead of using the water bucket because using the ear-muff attachment is more convenient. I am guessing that may be the impeller was not working that well last fall and was very marginal at best. After it has been sitting unused for one year, it may have finally got stuck. Seem like I will need to replace the impeller. Jay Chan |
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oups.com... wrote: On 9 Oct 2006 08:14:03 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for pointing out that I likely need to replace the impeller. And also thanks for the link to the impeller kit; I quite likely need to order one. Make sure you get some anti-sieze compound (I llike a brand called Neversieze) and work it into the threads of the bolts when you put things back together. It is messy stuff but it will make it easierr to get apart next time. Now pray that the last guy did! Basically 4 bolts right at the cavitation plate and one nut up in a hole near the little fin in back will drop the foot. It helps to have a helper but usually it will be stuck enough so it won't just fall. Put some grease on the shaft splines when you go back together too. The impeller is under that little can on top of the foot. (a couple small bolts) Thanks for the tip of using the anti-sieze compound. The chance is good that the ex-owner didn't apply any anti-sieze compound in the lower unit based on the fact that the propeller was/is really stuck from day-one when I bought the boat. I would like to ask you one question: Does replacing the impeller involve removing the propeller as a part of the process? As I said above, the propeller is really stuck. Jay Chan Whether it's part of the job or not, you may as well get the prop UNstuck. It's a good idea to check for fishing line wound behind it, or so sayeth my owner's manual. |
Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
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ups.com... Gene wrote: On 9 Oct 2006 08:17:13 -0700, " wrote: Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Some bugs like that size hole to lay an egg in and they mortar it shut. Run a stiff wire up there and try it. Thanks for the tip. This should be easy to try, and I will try this when I get back home today. But I have a feeling that the telltale hole is probably not plugged; otherwise, I should not see smoke coming out from the telltail hole. Considering this whole scenario.... you really shouldn't have seen smoke... regardless.... unless you didn't have a high enough water level in your "bucket." I'm betting that your pump impeller is toast. Once you get this damage repaired...... Forget the bucket and get some muffs that fit your motor. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- There was plenty of water in the bucket to cover all the water inlets in the lower unit. Somehow the ear-muff attachment didn't work for me last fall when I winterized the motor. I had tried three different versions of ear-muff attachment; neither worked. At that time, putting the lower unit inside the water bucket was the only way that worked (in the sense that I could see the telltail coming from the motor). Therefore, I choose the "tried and true" method when I need to winterize the motor now -- Unfortunately for me, this method doesn't work this time. Actually, I would much prefer to use the ear-muff attachment instead of using the water bucket because using the ear-muff attachment is more convenient. I am guessing that may be the impeller was not working that well last fall and was very marginal at best. After it has been sitting unused for one year, it may have finally got stuck. Seem like I will need to replace the impeller. Jay Chan The muffs don't work on mine, either, unless I crank up a LOT of water. It's like you have to create a solid wall of water within the cups. |
Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
JimH wrote:
"Sam" wrote in message ups.com... Checking for cooling water should be as instinctive as making sure your dick's not about to be bitten by your pants zipper. Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Run a stiff wire up there and try it. Be very carefull that you don't get all this advice mixed up. Sam When the dust settles Jay will still have to replace the impeller. This year he ran it for 30 seconds with no water stream but smoke/steam coming from the tell tale hole. Same thing last fall for who knows how long. You are probably right. Last fall, somehow the ear-muff attachment didn't work for the motor (probably the impeller was very marginal at that time) and the engine was overheat; the only way to get the telltail was putting the lower unit in a bucket of water, and this allowed me to run the motor for 5 minutes and finish the winterizing. Seem like the impeller will have to be replaced. Jay Chan |
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Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. After trying to start it for a couple times, I finally manage to start it. Unfortunately, I cannot see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor cooling system. All I see is some smoke coming from the hole where the water stream is supposed to come out from. Despite the fact that the motor temperature was not overheating (only run it for 30 seconds or so), I decided to turn off the motor just to be in the safe side. My question is: Should I expect to see the telltail water stream coming out from the motor as soon as I start the motor? Does the motor need to reach a certain temperature before the water stream coming out? The boatowner manual said this: "2. If engine is cold, run engine for 1 or 2 minutes ... 3. After engine has warmed up, check water temperature gauge to ensure that engine temperature is not abnormally high... Check that water is running from the tell-tail on the back of the engine..." This seems to suggest that the telltail water stream may not come out if the engine is not warm enough. Considering the fact that the overheating warning horn doesn't sound, the cooling system may not really have a problem. However, the Mercury Operation & Maintenance Manual for my 1995 Mercury 115hp outboard said this differently: "10 Turn ignition key to START ...re-prime until engine is running smoothly. 11 Check for a steady stream of water flowing out of the water pump indicator hole. IMPORTANT: If no water is coming out of the water pump indicator hole, stop engine..." This surely seems like I should expect to see telltail water stream coming out as soon as I start the engine. Now, I am really confused with this conflicting info. Obviously, I don't want to risk overheating the motor. Can someone help me with this? Thanks in advance for any info. Jay Chan Pull off the hose to the tell tale from inside the cowling. See if water comes out. Lots of times a bug builds a nest in the hole, or some other dirt plugs it up. Is a small orifice. I didn't remove the telltail hose. I ran a stiff wire up the hose and I didn't feel any blockage. I doubt the telltail hose is being blocked because I can see smoke coming from the telltail hole. I have a feeling that if the telltail hose wass blocked, I should not see any smoke coming out. Jay Chan |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... wrote: On 9 Oct 2006 08:14:03 -0700, " wrote: Thanks for pointing out that I likely need to replace the impeller. And also thanks for the link to the impeller kit; I quite likely need to order one. Make sure you get some anti-sieze compound (I llike a brand called Neversieze) and work it into the threads of the bolts when you put things back together. It is messy stuff but it will make it easierr to get apart next time. Now pray that the last guy did! Basically 4 bolts right at the cavitation plate and one nut up in a hole near the little fin in back will drop the foot. It helps to have a helper but usually it will be stuck enough so it won't just fall. Put some grease on the shaft splines when you go back together too. The impeller is under that little can on top of the foot. (a couple small bolts) Thanks for the tip of using the anti-sieze compound. The chance is good that the ex-owner didn't apply any anti-sieze compound in the lower unit based on the fact that the propeller was/is really stuck from day-one when I bought the boat. I would like to ask you one question: Does replacing the impeller involve removing the propeller as a part of the process? As I said above, the propeller is really stuck. Jay Chan Whether it's part of the job or not, you may as well get the prop UNstuck. It's a good idea to check for fishing line wound behind it, or so sayeth my owner's manual. OK. If I need to remove the propeller in order to replace the impeller, I will have to find a way to remove the propeller. I was thinking of asking a marine mechanic to unstuck the propeller along with checking a few things in the motor next spring (instead of doing this myself). I guess I will have to move this up the schedule and find a way to remove the propeller now, oh well... Jay Chan |
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Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
"Don White" wrote in message news:OgEWg.3103$cz.46967@ursa- Yup. A local dealer at a boat show told me it should be done every second year (depending on use). Every second year at MOST. Every year to be really safe. I killed a new impeller this year from April to Sept. I mean killed dead, as it it stopped peeing at low RPM and the impeller was toast. A lot of sandy / silty water will wear one out FAST. -W |
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Clams Canino wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message news:OgEWg.3103$cz.46967@ursa- Yup. A local dealer at a boat show told me it should be done every second year (depending on use). Every second year at MOST. Every year to be really safe. I killed a new impeller this year from April to Sept. I mean killed dead, as it it stopped peeing at low RPM and the impeller was toast. A lot of sandy / silty water will wear one out FAST. -W In my area it's mostly salt water.... plus a good measure of sewage in the city's harbour. On a sailboat the outboard will most likely rust out before wearing out. |
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Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
Gene wrote:
On 9 Oct 2006 08:17:13 -0700, " wrote: Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Some bugs like that size hole to lay an egg in and they mortar it shut. Run a stiff wire up there and try it. Thanks for the tip. This should be easy to try, and I will try this when I get back home today. But I have a feeling that the telltale hole is probably not plugged; otherwise, I should not see smoke coming out from the telltail hole. Considering this whole scenario.... you really shouldn't have seen smoke... regardless.... unless you didn't have a high enough water level in your "bucket." I'm betting that your pump impeller is toast. Once you get this damage repaired...... Forget the bucket and get some muffs that fit your motor. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I am wondering may be the smoke is coming from the fogging oil that I sprayed inside motor cylinders last fall, and that was the last time I started the motor. But you are probably right to say that the impeller is a goner. I have already counted the impeller as a loss. Jay Chan |
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wrote: On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:06 -0700, " wrote: OK. If I need to remove the propeller in order to replace the impeller, I will have to find a way to remove the propeller. STOP You don't need to remove the prop for this. You take out those bolts, drop the foot with prop still in place and replace the impeller. It slides down the driive shaft and is nowhere near the prop. Getting it off might be easier now than when you break a prop but be careful you don't want to break something you don't need to right now. You have a very good chance of trashing a seal when you are removing the prop if you don't have the right tool. There is also a chance of wiping the hub, even if you do have the pulller. Thanks for informing me that I really don't need to remove the propeller. Then I can do that later or next spring instead of clamping all these tasks in one weekend. I probably will still attempt to remove the propeller by soaking it with WD40. But honestly I am not expecting a miracle -- the propeller is quite stuck; there is quite a good chance that I need to bring it to a dealer. Jay Chan Jay, Based upon your questions, I can tell you are new to boating and new to maintaining your engine. I would recommend you find a mechanic who would make an appointment to get your engine serviced, and ask him if he let you watch him remove the prop and install the impeller. While both of these projects are DIY projects, if you don't know what you are doing, you can cause serious and expensive damages to the engine. While he has the engine in the shop, it will be worth him do a complete inspection and servicing the engine to make sure there are not other problems. As one of the rec.boats regulars found out, not servicing your engine correctly can result in some very expensive problems. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Gene wrote: On 9 Oct 2006 08:17:13 -0700, " wrote: Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Some bugs like that size hole to lay an egg in and they mortar it shut. Run a stiff wire up there and try it. Thanks for the tip. This should be easy to try, and I will try this when I get back home today. But I have a feeling that the telltale hole is probably not plugged; otherwise, I should not see smoke coming out from the telltail hole. Considering this whole scenario.... you really shouldn't have seen smoke... regardless.... unless you didn't have a high enough water level in your "bucket." I'm betting that your pump impeller is toast. Once you get this damage repaired...... Forget the bucket and get some muffs that fit your motor. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- There was plenty of water in the bucket to cover all the water inlets in the lower unit. Somehow the ear-muff attachment didn't work for me last fall when I winterized the motor. I had tried three different versions of ear-muff attachment; neither worked. At that time, putting the lower unit inside the water bucket was the only way that worked (in the sense that I could see the telltail coming from the motor). Therefore, I choose the "tried and true" method when I need to winterize the motor now -- Unfortunately for me, this method doesn't work this time. Actually, I would much prefer to use the ear-muff attachment instead of using the water bucket because using the ear-muff attachment is more convenient. I am guessing that may be the impeller was not working that well last fall and was very marginal at best. After it has been sitting unused for one year, it may have finally got stuck. Seem like I will need to replace the impeller. Jay Chan The muffs don't work on mine, either, unless I crank up a LOT of water. It's like you have to create a solid wall of water within the cups. Seem like I am not the only one who has this problem. I didn't turn up the water volume when I was trying ear-muff attachment because the motor manual only recommends moderate water volume to avoid hurting the impeller or the water pump somehow. Jay Chan |
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Clams Canino wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message news:OgEWg.3103$cz.46967@ursa- Yup. A local dealer at a boat show told me it should be done every second year (depending on use). Every second year at MOST. Every year to be really safe. I killed a new impeller this year from April to Sept. I mean killed dead, as it it stopped peeing at low RPM and the impeller was toast. A lot of sandy / silty water will wear one out FAST. -W This means I will need to replace the impeller anyway regardless if the impeller in my motor is really damaged or not. Knowing that the cost of replacing the impeller should be considered as a regular maintenance cost instead of a loss, I feel better already. Thanks. Jay Chan |
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wrote: I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. Jay, just out of curiosity, if you haven't used the boat in a year, then why are you deciding to winterize it at this time? According to what yoyu say, it must have sat all through the colder winter months of last year,a nd the first part of this year. why now? The reason of winterizing the motor even without using it for a year is: Last fall when I winterized the motor, I didn't run the fuel system dry. I ran the motor for 5 minutes to let treated fuel get inside the fuel system and then I shut down the motor. This means there is still fuel inside the fuel system of the motor. Although the fuel was treated with stablizer, it will only be good for one year. If I didn't winterize the motor now, by next spring the treated fuel would have sat in the fuel system for 17 months -- that would be 5 months longer than what the treated fuel is supposed to last. This is the reason why I need to winterize the motor now. Jay Chan |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote: wrote: On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:06 -0700, " wrote: OK. If I need to remove the propeller in order to replace the impeller, I will have to find a way to remove the propeller. STOP You don't need to remove the prop for this. You take out those bolts, drop the foot with prop still in place and replace the impeller. It slides down the driive shaft and is nowhere near the prop. Getting it off might be easier now than when you break a prop but be careful you don't want to break something you don't need to right now. You have a very good chance of trashing a seal when you are removing the prop if you don't have the right tool. There is also a chance of wiping the hub, even if you do have the pulller. Thanks for informing me that I really don't need to remove the propeller. Then I can do that later or next spring instead of clamping all these tasks in one weekend. I probably will still attempt to remove the propeller by soaking it with WD40. But honestly I am not expecting a miracle -- the propeller is quite stuck; there is quite a good chance that I need to bring it to a dealer. Jay Chan Jay, Based upon your questions, I can tell you are new to boating and new to maintaining your engine. I would recommend you find a mechanic who would make an appointment to get your engine serviced, and ask him if he let you watch him remove the prop and install the impeller. While both of these projects are DIY projects, if you don't know what you are doing, you can cause serious and expensive damages to the engine. While he has the engine in the shop, it will be worth him do a complete inspection and servicing the engine to make sure there are not other problems. As one of the rec.boats regulars found out, not servicing your engine correctly can result in some very expensive problems. You are quite right. In fact that was what I was originally planning to do. After all, the motor is more than 10 years old, and I should have a mechanic to look it over. Unfortunately I am replacing the core in the entire deck, and I am behind schedule -- meaning that the deck is open to elements. Currently, I have a cover on the boat to keep rain water from entering the core of the deck that I am fixing. If I bring the boat to a mechanic, I will have to remove the boat cover (the boat has a T-top and the boat cover is huge like a sail), and I will risk getting unexpected rain water getting into the core of the boat when the boat is sitting in the mechanic boatyard. Therefore, I am really hesistate to bring the boat to the mechanic at this point, and I need to finish winterizing the motor now before the weather is getting really cold. Luckily I am quite handy. Therefore, I should be able to replace the impeller (with another person helping me to align the rods). Thanks for the suggestion though. Jay Chan |
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Jay, it's a shame you wern't able to use it this year.
If you would still like to do-it-yourself repairs on the engine, which at this point I really wouldn't recommend. (If I were in your position , I'd take it to a reputable mechanic). BUT, i would get a repair manual for that model or series of engines. like a "Peterson", "Chiltons" or "Motors" or likewise book that you could study really well, A book that will tell you in great detail on how to even overhaul your engine if necessary. A vast amount of knowledge can be found in these books. just for if anything else, a reference point. You can find these books at about any boat dealership, or what i did was bought an almost brand new manual for my mercruiser off Ebay, for less than half price of what the stores wanted. For my book, the dealership retail price was about $49.00. I bought mine with a high bid of $18.00 plus $3.75 s&h. wrote: wrote: wrote: I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start the motor to winterize it. Jay, just out of curiosity, if you haven't used the boat in a year, then why are you deciding to winterize it at this time? According to what yoyu say, it must have sat all through the colder winter months of last year,a nd the first part of this year. why now? The reason of winterizing the motor even without using it for a year is: Last fall when I winterized the motor, I didn't run the fuel system dry. I ran the motor for 5 minutes to let treated fuel get inside the fuel system and then I shut down the motor. This means there is still fuel inside the fuel system of the motor. Although the fuel was treated with stablizer, it will only be good for one year. If I didn't winterize the motor now, by next spring the treated fuel would have sat in the fuel system for 17 months -- that would be 5 months longer than what the treated fuel is supposed to last. This is the reason why I need to winterize the motor now. Jay Chan |
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:06 -0700, " wrote: OK. If I need to remove the propeller in order to replace the impeller, I will have to find a way to remove the propeller. STOP You don't need to remove the prop for this. You take out those bolts, drop the foot with prop still in place and replace the impeller. It slides down the driive shaft and is nowhere near the prop. Getting it off might be easier now than when you break a prop but be careful you don't want to break something you don't need to right now. You have a very good chance of trashing a seal when you are removing the prop if you don't have the right tool. There is also a chance of wiping the hub, even if you do have the pulller. Thanks for informing me that I really don't need to remove the propeller. Then I can do that later or next spring instead of clamping all these tasks in one weekend. I probably will still attempt to remove the propeller by soaking it with WD40. But honestly I am not expecting a miracle -- the propeller is quite stuck; there is quite a good chance that I need to bring it to a dealer. Jay Chan WD-40 is about the lowest thing on the list to use to free up stuck stuff. Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster is what I use, and lots of other things work much better than WD-40. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:flZWg.9975 WD-40 is about the lowest thing on the list to use to free up stuck stuff. Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster is what I use, and lots of other things work much better than WD-40. Mouse milk. Ya it's real... google the stuff. -W |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote: Jay, Based upon your questions, I can tell you are new to boating and new to maintaining your engine. I would recommend you find a mechanic who would make an appointment to get your engine serviced, and ask him if he let you watch him remove the prop and install the impeller. While both of these projects are DIY projects, if you don't know what you are doing, you can cause serious and expensive damages to the engine. While he has the engine in the shop, it will be worth him do a complete inspection and servicing the engine to make sure there are not other problems. As one of the rec.boats regulars found out, not servicing your engine correctly can result in some very expensive problems. You are quite right. In fact that was what I was originally planning to do. After all, the motor is more than 10 years old, and I should have a mechanic to look it over. Unfortunately I am replacing the core in the entire deck, and I am behind schedule -- meaning that the deck is open to elements. Currently, I have a cover on the boat to keep rain water from entering the core of the deck that I am fixing. If I bring the boat to a mechanic, I will have to remove the boat cover (the boat has a T-top and the boat cover is huge like a sail), and I will risk getting unexpected rain water getting into the core of the boat when the boat is sitting in the mechanic boatyard. Therefore, I am really hesistate to bring the boat to the mechanic at this point, and I need to finish winterizing the motor now before the weather is getting really cold. Luckily I am quite handy. Therefore, I should be able to replace the impeller (with another person helping me to align the rods). Thanks for the suggestion though. Jay Chan Best of luck to you. Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully, I can at least fix the impeller and finish winterizing the motor to allow me to get over the winter. Then I can ask a marine mechanic to check the motor next spring. Jay Chan |
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