Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Headed out to Boston/Salem/Topsfield next week.


If you decide to venture south of Boston .... towards Cape Cod .... let me
know. I'll take you on a quick tour of south coastal comunities, including
Plymouth where you can stand in awe of the famous Plymouth Rock. :-)

When we were up at The Farm, Rye NH, in Aug 2005 we went to Plymouth and
saw the rock. My wife the Geologist/Chemist wasn't impressed and thought
it looked like a very large river rock. I insisted on taking a picture
of the wife and kids and The Rock.

Bert Robbins wrote:


When we were up at The Farm, Rye NH, in Aug 2005 we went to Plymouth and
saw the rock. My wife the Geologist/Chemist wasn't impressed and thought
it looked like a very large river rock. I insisted on taking a picture
of the wife and kids and The Rock.

Plymouth Rock might be a good one. Thanks for the suggestion.
Too many things to see, and undoubtedly not enough time. :-)

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:


When we were up at The Farm, Rye NH, in Aug 2005 we went to Plymouth and
saw the rock. My wife the Geologist/Chemist wasn't impressed and thought
it looked like a very large river rock. I insisted on taking a picture
of the wife and kids and The Rock.

Plymouth Rock might be a good one. Thanks for the suggestion.
Too many things to see, and undoubtedly not enough time. :-)


They are not even sure it is the correct rock, and it has been moved over
the years. We actually enjoyed the tour of the Ocean Spray Cranberry
headquarters and their museum / display. Plymouth Plantation was under
whelming. The Red Line tour of Boston is good. Is a Red painted line, and
walkable. At least I remember it to be red.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:ZxnRg.431

They are not even sure it is the correct rock, and it has been moved over
the years.

It has certainly been moved, broken in two, repaired, relocated, buried in a
landfill pier, recovered, chiseled down in size by souvenir hunters and, in
time, revered. Nathaniel Philbrick, in his history 'Mayflower', relates
what seems to be a well researched account of the rock from about 1741
onward. The crux is, of course, that the consideration that this is "the
rock" is based solely on the 1741 testimony of one Thomas Faunce, then aged
95, who claimed the rock was shown to him as the landing point by his
father, who had arrived in the colony in 1623. Civic leaders and civic
groups took it from there, and the legend of Plymouth Rock was off and
running. It may be true, and it may not. The story is only two steps
removed from a primary source, but those steps can loom huge.

In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at the
Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim travellers
first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed out, was at
Provincetown.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:ZxnRg.431

They are not even sure it is the correct rock, and it has been moved over
the years.

It has certainly been moved, broken in two, repaired, relocated, buried in
a landfill pier, recovered, chiseled down in size by souvenir hunters and,
in time, revered. Nathaniel Philbrick, in his history 'Mayflower',
relates what seems to be a well researched account of the rock from about
1741 onward. The crux is, of course, that the consideration that this is
"the rock" is based solely on the 1741 testimony of one Thomas Faunce,
then aged 95, who claimed the rock was shown to him as the landing point
by his father, who had arrived in the colony in 1623. Civic leaders and
civic groups took it from there, and the legend of Plymouth Rock was off
and running. It may be true, and it may not. The story is only two steps
removed from a primary source, but those steps can loom huge.

In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at the
Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim
travellers first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed
out, was at Provincetown.

News Flash: http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfmws

"Jim" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:ZxnRg.431

They are not even sure it is the correct rock, and it has been moved
over the years.

It has certainly been moved, broken in two, repaired, relocated, buried
in a landfill pier, recovered, chiseled down in size by souvenir hunters
and, in time, revered. Nathaniel Philbrick, in his history 'Mayflower',
relates what seems to be a well researched account of the rock from about
1741 onward. The crux is, of course, that the consideration that this is
"the rock" is based solely on the 1741 testimony of one Thomas Faunce,
then aged 95, who claimed the rock was shown to him as the landing point
by his father, who had arrived in the colony in 1623. Civic leaders and
civic groups took it from there, and the legend of Plymouth Rock was off
and running. It may be true, and it may not. The story is only two
steps removed from a primary source, but those steps can loom huge.

In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at
the Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim
travellers first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed
out, was at Provincetown.

News Flash: http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfmws


Sorry. That link was bad. Try this one

http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm

Jim

"Jim" wrote in message
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http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm

Jim

Yabut, *they* were not Pilgrims.

They were recently retired Europeans.

Eisboch

"Jim" wrote in message news:O9uRg.11690$v%

In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at
the Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim
travellers first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed
out, was at Provincetown.

News Flash: http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm

I just knew there'd be someone to start ranting about St Augustine, or
Jamestown, or some other such thing. I was referring, Jim, -and I think
clearly-to the founders of the Plymouth Colony. Note above where I said
"...the place where the Pilgrim travellers first set foot...". Note that I
said "...*the* Pilgrim travellers...". I specifically did not say "...the
place where pilgrim travellers...", which would have implied a reference to
*any* New World settlers.