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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"John Gaquin" wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:ZxnRg.431 They are not even sure it is the correct rock, and it has been moved over the years. It has certainly been moved, broken in two, repaired, relocated, buried in a landfill pier, recovered, chiseled down in size by souvenir hunters and, in time, revered. Nathaniel Philbrick, in his history 'Mayflower', relates what seems to be a well researched account of the rock from about 1741 onward. The crux is, of course, that the consideration that this is "the rock" is based solely on the 1741 testimony of one Thomas Faunce, then aged 95, who claimed the rock was shown to him as the landing point by his father, who had arrived in the colony in 1623. Civic leaders and civic groups took it from there, and the legend of Plymouth Rock was off and running. It may be true, and it may not. The story is only two steps removed from a primary source, but those steps can loom huge. In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at the Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim travellers first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed out, was at Provincetown. News Flash: http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfmws |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Jim" wrote in message link.net... "John Gaquin" wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:ZxnRg.431 They are not even sure it is the correct rock, and it has been moved over the years. It has certainly been moved, broken in two, repaired, relocated, buried in a landfill pier, recovered, chiseled down in size by souvenir hunters and, in time, revered. Nathaniel Philbrick, in his history 'Mayflower', relates what seems to be a well researched account of the rock from about 1741 onward. The crux is, of course, that the consideration that this is "the rock" is based solely on the 1741 testimony of one Thomas Faunce, then aged 95, who claimed the rock was shown to him as the landing point by his father, who had arrived in the colony in 1623. Civic leaders and civic groups took it from there, and the legend of Plymouth Rock was off and running. It may be true, and it may not. The story is only two steps removed from a primary source, but those steps can loom huge. In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at the Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim travellers first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed out, was at Provincetown. News Flash: http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfmws Sorry. That link was bad. Try this one http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm Jim |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Jim" wrote in message ink.net... http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm Jim Yabut, *they* were not Pilgrims. They were recently retired Europeans. Eisboch |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ink.net... http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm Jim Yabut, *they* were not Pilgrims. They were recently retired Europeans. Eisboch Ya mean these guys? From the journal of William Bradford... Describing the Pilgrims’ Separatist religious beliefs : "The one side [the Reformers] laboured to have ye right worship of God & discipline of Christ established in ye church, according to ye simplicitie of ye gospell, without the mixture of mens inventions, and to have & to be ruled by ye laws of Gods word, dispensed in those offices, & by those officers of Pastors, Teachers, & Elders, &c. according to ye Scripturs. The other partie [the Church of England], though under many colours & pretences, endevored to have ye episcopall dignitie (affter ye popish maner) with their large power & jurisdiction still retained; with all those courts, cannons, & ceremonies, togeather with all such livings, revenues, & subordinate officers, with other such means as formerly upheld their antichristian greatnes, and enabled them with lordly & tyranous power to persecute ye poore servants of God." Jim |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Jim" wrote in message link.net... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ink.net... http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm Jim Yabut, *they* were not Pilgrims. They were recently retired Europeans. Eisboch Ya mean these guys? From the journal of William Bradford... I think you need to go out and water your bananas. Eisboch |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message link.net... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ink.net... http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm Jim Yabut, *they* were not Pilgrims. They were recently retired Europeans. Eisboch Ya mean these guys? From the journal of William Bradford... I think you need to go out and water your bananas. Eisboch Splain yerself, Pilgrim. |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Jim" wrote in message news:O9uRg.11690$v% In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at the Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim travellers first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed out, was at Provincetown. News Flash: http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm I just knew there'd be someone to start ranting about St Augustine, or Jamestown, or some other such thing. I was referring, Jim, -and I think clearly-to the founders of the Plymouth Colony. Note above where I said "...the place where the Pilgrim travellers first set foot...". Note that I said "...*the* Pilgrim travellers...". I specifically did not say "...the place where pilgrim travellers...", which would have implied a reference to *any* New World settlers. |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"John Gaquin" wrote in message . .. "Jim" wrote in message news:O9uRg.11690$v% In any event, even if the famed Plymouth Rock is the first footfall at the Plymouth Colony, it certainly was not the place where the Pilgrim travellers first set foot on New World soil. That, as another pointed out, was at Provincetown. News Flash: http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm I just knew there'd be someone to start ranting about St Augustine, or Jamestown, or some other such thing. I was referring, Jim, -and I think clearly-to the founders of the Plymouth Colony. Note above where I said "...the place where the Pilgrim travellers first set foot...". Note that I said "...*the* Pilgrim travellers...". I specifically did not say "...the place where pilgrim travellers...", which would have implied a reference to *any* New World settlers. Ranting? No. Just expanding a little on the time line of the exploration and settlement of the new world. I kind of lost track of the purpose of this thread, which was to educate the pilgrim from Seattle about tourist attractions in the Boston area. Sorry about that, Jim |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Jim" wrote in message news:geQRg.1142 Ranting? No. Just expanding a little on the time line of the exploration and settlement of the new world. I kind of lost track of the purpose of this thread, which was to educate the pilgrim from Seattle about tourist attractions in the Boston area. Sorry about that, Jim It's ok. Go have a banana. Eisboch |
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Visiting Old Ironsides......what else to do in Boston?
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message news:geQRg.1142 Ranting? No. Just expanding a little on the time line of the exploration and settlement of the new world. I kind of lost track of the purpose of this thread, which was to educate the pilgrim from Seattle about tourist attractions in the Boston area. Sorry about that, Jim It's ok. Go have a banana. Not ripe yet. Go count cylinders before they start disappearing. Eisboch |
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