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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess. Eisboch Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her. Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out the door. Eisboch |
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... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess. Eisboch Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her. Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out the door. Eisboch For teaching kids how to take tests, think and learn. Priceless. |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:18:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message m... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess. Eisboch Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her. Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out the door. Eisboch Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but practice tests have no such requirements. In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another person in the room to monitor the teacher! -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers? What would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician? I was involved in 2 excellent educational systems as a student and as an instructor. IBM and the US Navy. Both had a policy that teaching was not a profession and everyone should move on to keep fresh blood flowing in the system. In my private high school they also hired teachers who were going to move on. Most were grad students or people who had worked in the field they taught in some way. It made a lot more interesting classes. What's a math whiz supposed to move on to? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: I have very few fond memories of Amity High School. Fortunately, we moved and I graduated in a "normal" school. Eisboch Really? Man, I use to love to cruise the babes up there. Hell, I dated a couple of them, a blonde named Judy, and two sisters, one my age and one about three years younger. The younger sister was gorgeous. I recall the school put on some great student theater and shows. What was wrong with Amity Regional High School? Full of rich snobs. Some of the nicest people (and girls) were from Bethany .... considered the "hick-town" in the regional school system. The affluence of many of the families from Orange and Woodbridge was reflected in school politics. I hated it. Eisboch |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but practice tests have no such requirements. In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another person in the room to monitor the teacher! I don't know anymore than I posted. I just found out about this yesterday. The MCAS testing program is very controversial up here and maybe she violated some rule by taking it upon herself to try to help the kids prepare for tests later on in high grades. Purely speculation on my part, though. Eisboch |
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Gene Kearns wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature...... Yes, truly ....... absurd. Your daughter became emotional while *school officials* offered advice on *medical* treatment? Sounds like a no-brainer, to me..... Gene, the process included several meetings involving my daughter, her husband, two teachers and two school administrators ... one of them a school psychologist who discussed the merits of drug treatment, but didn't know my grandson or any particulars other than what the 23 year old (self diagnosed with AADD) teacher reported. The meetings consisted of the teachers and administrators heavily arguing the subject and pros/cons of the drug treatment while my daughter and son-in-law simply listened in shock. My daughter, a typical loving and very conscientious mother, wanted only what was best for her son and the process wore her down with concern and worry. I got involved, but had to be careful that my personal feelings on the subject and plain ol' "old fashionness" didn't influence her decision. I recommended getting a professional opinion outside of the school system and she decided that her family doctor would be a good place to start. After hearing what was going on her doctor was genuinely ****ed and ended the debate very quickly with one phone call to the school. Eisboch |
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wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers? What would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician? I was involved in 2 excellent educational systems as a student and as an instructor. IBM and the US Navy. Both had a policy that teaching was not a profession and everyone should move on to keep fresh blood flowing in the system. In my private high school they also hired teachers who were going to move on. Most were grad students or people who had worked in the field they taught in some way. It made a lot more interesting classes. What's a math whiz supposed to move on to? Destroyer Executive Officer. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:40:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but practice tests have no such requirements. In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another person in the room to monitor the teacher! I don't know anymore than I posted. I just found out about this yesterday. The MCAS testing program is very controversial up here and maybe she violated some rule by taking it upon herself to try to help the kids prepare for tests later on in high grades. Purely speculation on my part, though. Eisboch A quick peak (http://www.mcaspass.com/testmastery/mcas/mdoe.html ) shows the MCAS to be very similar, at least in purpose, to the Virginia Standards of Learning test. The VSOL was controversial at first, with some teachers, parents, and students against it. This became especially true when Virginia mandated that certain tests must be passed for the student to get a high school diploma. Now most teachers are thankful that the tests exist and is being used to set a standard. They provide a 'stick' that even administrators can't remove. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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