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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:16:39 -0400, Harry Krause
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to
blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody
learned Latin.

That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and
no drugs involved.

Today, he'd be sued.

Kibosh

I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one
was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any
teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of
course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same
to me, or at least threatened to do so.

Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems, some
of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the parents
were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in school. The
job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment which benefits the
majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one or two wise guys, so be
it. I know several from high school. They were not damaged by being slammed
on a regular basis, and they're now well-adjusted people.

I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included
"USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just
happened" moment occasionally.




Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no
place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply
did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a
teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents'
effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention
Class" would be the best place for him.

I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his
wife and kids? Betcha he does.

Sounds like a typical union response to me. Harry, is there ever a scenario
that is not "I'm special" to you?
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no
place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did
not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher
like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to
have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class"
would be the best place for him.

I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his
wife and kids? Betcha he does.



Harry, in those days he probably had all he could do to not burst out
laughing.
Hardly a case of problems with anger management. He was simply getting
the kid's attention.
I had teachers like that and they were not former marines. Some were
50-60 year old women.

Eisboch



Heh! I had an old lady like that for one of my study halls - Mrs. Comfort.
Hardly. One day, I must've been sick or something. Big diarrhea. I politely
asked if I could go to the bathroom. She told me to wait until the end of
the study hall, but based on what my guts were telling me, that was not an
option. I said "I'm sorry, but this can't wait" and ran to the bathroom. The
old bat followed me there, walked in, and started screaming at me. Nothing
came of it later. The principal apparently knew she was in another world.

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:39:42 -0400, Harry Krause
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I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one
was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any
teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of
course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same
to me, or at least threatened to do so.

I agree you have focused on part of the problem. Parents can't control
their kids so they depend on the government to do it in the schools.
The schools take the easy way out and drug them.

When I went to school (50s-60s) there were NO kids on drugs and the
teachers still managed to control the class ... but that was also when
a 4 year college degree took 4 years. Now days it takes 5 because they
have to teach an extra year of things kids should have learned in
K-12.
Where I am in Florida (Lee County) we are spending about $18,000 a
year per kid for K-12 and we rank in the lower 5 percentile in most
measurements. Something is terribly wrong and it certainly isn't
money. I think it is "educators". These people live in a vertically
integrated world that is so isolated that NOBODY has actually had a
real job in the real world.. We have 3 generations of educators who
have either been in school or taught school all their lives.

There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very
good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave
that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to
be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in
physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers? What
would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician?

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Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness
problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise
guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom.


He chose what was effective. But, you are correct. Thanks to the .....
well... forget that.
As I said ... today, unfortunately for him and the kid, he would be sued or
fired.

Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows.

A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement
tests to her third grade class.
The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was
observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like
"think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an
answer.

She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think
they did?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness
problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise
guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom.


He chose what was effective. But, you are correct. Thanks to the .....
well... forget that.
As I said ... today, unfortunately for him and the kid, he would be sued
or fired.

Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows.

A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS
achievement tests to her third grade class.
The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was
observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments
like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with
an answer.

She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think
they did?

Eisboch


I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I suppose things were different up that long hill in Amity.

I have very few fond memories of Amity High School. Fortunately, we moved
and I graduated in a "normal" school.

Eisboch

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows.

A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS
achievement tests to her third grade class.
The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was
observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments
like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with
an answer.

She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think
they did?

Eisboch


I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her?


I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:51:51 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:39:42 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one
was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any
teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of
course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same
to me, or at least threatened to do so.

I agree you have focused on part of the problem. Parents can't control
their kids so they depend on the government to do it in the schools.
The schools take the easy way out and drug them.

When I went to school (50s-60s) there were NO kids on drugs and the
teachers still managed to control the class ... but that was also when
a 4 year college degree took 4 years. Now days it takes 5 because they
have to teach an extra year of things kids should have learned in
K-12.
Where I am in Florida (Lee County) we are spending about $18,000 a
year per kid for K-12 and we rank in the lower 5 percentile in most
measurements. Something is terribly wrong and it certainly isn't
money. I think it is "educators". These people live in a vertically
integrated world that is so isolated that NOBODY has actually had a
real job in the real world.. We have 3 generations of educators who
have either been in school or taught school all their lives.

I recently read that Washington DC, the home of illiteracy, spent the most
money per student. Money sure as hell isn't the answer.

A couple years ago Virginia began requiring the passing of the Praxis exam
for teachers. See: http://tinyurl.com/fvwnl

I notice that Florida isn't on the list of those with Praxis requirements.
Of course, each state has its own standards for 'passing'.
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John

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:57:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness
problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise
guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom.


He chose what was effective. But, you are correct. Thanks to the .....
well... forget that.
As I said ... today, unfortunately for him and the kid, he would be sued or
fired.

Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows.

A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement
tests to her third grade class.
The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was
observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like
"think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an
answer.

She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think
they did?

Eisboch


She probably got fired for abusive behavior, i.e., telling a child to
'think'.
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***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John

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When I went into the seventh grade, the boys were required to take wood
shop. Your first project was to make your own personal paddle. This shop
teacher had no qualms about having you bend over and give you a whack or
two. And the language he used would embarass a sailor. But you did learn
proper and safe usage of power equipment and you learned not to screw
around.
He was fired a year or so later for swearing at a parent.
Of course I'm sure there is no wood shop now (too dangerous) and if there
was, it would be co-ed.
G

JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no
place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply
did
not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a
teacher
like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to
have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class"
would be the best place for him.

I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline"
his
wife and kids? Betcha he does.



Harry, in those days he probably had all he could do to not burst out
laughing.
Hardly a case of problems with anger management. He was simply getting
the kid's attention.
I had teachers like that and they were not former marines. Some were
50-60 year old women.

Eisboch



Heh! I had an old lady like that for one of my study halls - Mrs. Comfort.
Hardly. One day, I must've been sick or something. Big diarrhea. I
politely
asked if I could go to the bathroom. She told me to wait until the end of
the study hall, but based on what my guts were telling me, that was not an
option. I said "I'm sorry, but this can't wait" and ran to the bathroom.
The
old bat followed me there, walked in, and started screaming at me. Nothing
came of it later. The principal apparently knew she was in another world.