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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: "As Sommers understood, it is boys’ aggressive and rationalist nature - redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that’s getting so many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they don’t want to be girls." It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD and get drugged into submission. That's absurd, and you should know it. Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should have. My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6 year old. The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to social services to support her recommendation. Eisboch |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: "As Sommers understood, it is boys’ aggressive and rationalist nature - redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that’s getting so many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they don’t want to be girls." It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD and get drugged into submission. That's absurd, and you should know it. Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should have. My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6 year old. The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to social services to support her recommendation. Eisboch Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a teacher to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they have. Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father had ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of any responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be responsible. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message m... wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: "As Sommers understood, it is boys' aggressive and rationalist nature - redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that's getting so many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they don't want to be girls." It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD and get drugged into submission. That's absurd, and you should know it. Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should have. My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6 year old. The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to social services to support her recommendation. Eisboch Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a teacher to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they have. Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father had ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of any responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be responsible. John I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin. My 9th & 12th grade bio teacher did something equally terrifying. If your grades dipped below 90, or you didn't show up for her "voluntary" monthly after school review sessions, she'd call your parents and read THEM the riot act. She believed in fear as a motivator. It worked. Parents would start pulling strings and bringing cookies to the principal two years ahead of time to make sure their kids got her as a teacher, instead of the other teacher, who had some issues involving religion vs. science. And, many of us still walk around chanting "kingdom phylum class order family genus species". :-) |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on medication. The real absurdity is that Adderal, the most popular AADD medication is basically Biphetimine, the same old "Black Beauty" the DEA had banned in the 80s except it is a tan capsule now. The "teacher" was only 23 years old at the time as well. I had a very difficult time with the whole fiasco and almost cheered when the doc told them to leave him alone. Eisboch |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin. That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and no drugs involved. Today, he'd be sued. Kibosh |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin. That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and no drugs involved. Today, he'd be sued. Kibosh I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same to me, or at least threatened to do so. Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems, some of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the parents were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in school. The job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment which benefits the majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one or two wise guys, so be it. I know several from high school. They were not damaged by being slammed on a regular basis, and they're now well-adjusted people. I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included "USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just happened" moment occasionally. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin. That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and no drugs involved. Today, he'd be sued. Kibosh I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same to me, or at least threatened to do so. Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems, some of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the parents were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in school. The job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment which benefits the majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one or two wise guys, so be it. I know several from high school. They were not damaged by being slammed on a regular basis, and they're now well-adjusted people. I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included "USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just happened" moment occasionally. Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the best place for him. I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his wife and kids? Betcha he does. Actually, he was a very soft spoken guy 99.99% of the time, with a great sense of humor and endless patience, until one or two kids asked for trouble. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin. That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and no drugs involved. Today, he'd be sued. Kibosh I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same to me, or at least threatened to do so. Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems, some of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the parents were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in school. The job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment which benefits the majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one or two wise guys, so be it. I know several from high school. They were not damaged by being slammed on a regular basis, and they're now well-adjusted people. I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included "USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just happened" moment occasionally. Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the best place for him. I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his wife and kids? Betcha he does. Actually, he was a very soft spoken guy 99.99% of the time, with a great sense of humor and endless patience, until one or two kids asked for trouble. Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom. Sure it is. And, he only needed to do it once or twice, and things changed permanently. There are some people you cannot reason with. You know: The 54%. Some of them manage to sneak into Latin classes and advanced placement courses. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the best place for him. I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his wife and kids? Betcha he does. Harry, in those days he probably had all he could do to not burst out laughing. Hardly a case of problems with anger management. He was simply getting the kid's attention. I had teachers like that and they were not former marines. Some were 50-60 year old women. Eisboch |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:51:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message om... wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: "As Sommers understood, it is boys' aggressive and rationalist nature - redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that's getting so many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they don't want to be girls." It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD and get drugged into submission. That's absurd, and you should know it. Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should have. My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6 year old. The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to social services to support her recommendation. Eisboch Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a teacher to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they have. Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father had ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of any responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be responsible. John I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin. My 9th & 12th grade bio teacher did something equally terrifying. If your grades dipped below 90, or you didn't show up for her "voluntary" monthly after school review sessions, she'd call your parents and read THEM the riot act. She believed in fear as a motivator. It worked. Parents would start pulling strings and bringing cookies to the principal two years ahead of time to make sure their kids got her as a teacher, instead of the other teacher, who had some issues involving religion vs. science. And, many of us still walk around chanting "kingdom phylum class order family genus species". :-) I had nice, quiet, serene little nuns, who'd just smack the **** out of the side of my head. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:16:39 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin. That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and no drugs involved. Today, he'd be sued. Kibosh I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same to me, or at least threatened to do so. Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems, some of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the parents were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in school. The job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment which benefits the majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one or two wise guys, so be it. I know several from high school. They were not damaged by being slammed on a regular basis, and they're now well-adjusted people. I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included "USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just happened" moment occasionally. Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the best place for him. I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his wife and kids? Betcha he does. Sounds like a typical union response to me. Harry, is there ever a scenario that is not "I'm special" to you? -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the best place for him. I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his wife and kids? Betcha he does. Harry, in those days he probably had all he could do to not burst out laughing. Hardly a case of problems with anger management. He was simply getting the kid's attention. I had teachers like that and they were not former marines. Some were 50-60 year old women. Eisboch Heh! I had an old lady like that for one of my study halls - Mrs. Comfort. Hardly. One day, I must've been sick or something. Big diarrhea. I politely asked if I could go to the bathroom. She told me to wait until the end of the study hall, but based on what my guts were telling me, that was not an option. I said "I'm sorry, but this can't wait" and ran to the bathroom. The old bat followed me there, walked in, and started screaming at me. Nothing came of it later. The principal apparently knew she was in another world. |
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... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:39:42 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same to me, or at least threatened to do so. I agree you have focused on part of the problem. Parents can't control their kids so they depend on the government to do it in the schools. The schools take the easy way out and drug them. When I went to school (50s-60s) there were NO kids on drugs and the teachers still managed to control the class ... but that was also when a 4 year college degree took 4 years. Now days it takes 5 because they have to teach an extra year of things kids should have learned in K-12. Where I am in Florida (Lee County) we are spending about $18,000 a year per kid for K-12 and we rank in the lower 5 percentile in most measurements. Something is terribly wrong and it certainly isn't money. I think it is "educators". These people live in a vertically integrated world that is so isolated that NOBODY has actually had a real job in the real world.. We have 3 generations of educators who have either been in school or taught school all their lives. There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers? What would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom. He chose what was effective. But, you are correct. Thanks to the ..... well... forget that. As I said ... today, unfortunately for him and the kid, he would be sued or fired. Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch |
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... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom. He chose what was effective. But, you are correct. Thanks to the ..... well... forget that. As I said ... today, unfortunately for him and the kid, he would be sued or fired. Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... I suppose things were different up that long hill in Amity. I have very few fond memories of Amity High School. Fortunately, we moved and I graduated in a "normal" school. Eisboch |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess. Eisboch |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:57:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom. He chose what was effective. But, you are correct. Thanks to the ..... well... forget that. As I said ... today, unfortunately for him and the kid, he would be sued or fired. Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch She probably got fired for abusive behavior, i.e., telling a child to 'think'. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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When I went into the seventh grade, the boys were required to take wood
shop. Your first project was to make your own personal paddle. This shop teacher had no qualms about having you bend over and give you a whack or two. And the language he used would embarass a sailor. But you did learn proper and safe usage of power equipment and you learned not to screw around. He was fired a year or so later for swearing at a parent. Of course I'm sure there is no wood shop now (too dangerous) and if there was, it would be co-ed. G JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the best place for him. I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his wife and kids? Betcha he does. Harry, in those days he probably had all he could do to not burst out laughing. Hardly a case of problems with anger management. He was simply getting the kid's attention. I had teachers like that and they were not former marines. Some were 50-60 year old women. Eisboch Heh! I had an old lady like that for one of my study halls - Mrs. Comfort. Hardly. One day, I must've been sick or something. Big diarrhea. I politely asked if I could go to the bathroom. She told me to wait until the end of the study hall, but based on what my guts were telling me, that was not an option. I said "I'm sorry, but this can't wait" and ran to the bathroom. The old bat followed me there, walked in, and started screaming at me. Nothing came of it later. The principal apparently knew she was in another world. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess. Eisboch Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her. Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out the door. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess. Eisboch Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her. Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out the door. Eisboch For teaching kids how to take tests, think and learn. Priceless. |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:18:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message m... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows. A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS achievement tests to her third grade class. The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with an answer. She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think they did? Eisboch I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her? I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess. Eisboch Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her. Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out the door. Eisboch Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but practice tests have no such requirements. In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another person in the room to monitor the teacher! -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers? What would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician? I was involved in 2 excellent educational systems as a student and as an instructor. IBM and the US Navy. Both had a policy that teaching was not a profession and everyone should move on to keep fresh blood flowing in the system. In my private high school they also hired teachers who were going to move on. Most were grad students or people who had worked in the field they taught in some way. It made a lot more interesting classes. What's a math whiz supposed to move on to? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: I have very few fond memories of Amity High School. Fortunately, we moved and I graduated in a "normal" school. Eisboch Really? Man, I use to love to cruise the babes up there. Hell, I dated a couple of them, a blonde named Judy, and two sisters, one my age and one about three years younger. The younger sister was gorgeous. I recall the school put on some great student theater and shows. What was wrong with Amity Regional High School? Full of rich snobs. Some of the nicest people (and girls) were from Bethany .... considered the "hick-town" in the regional school system. The affluence of many of the families from Orange and Woodbridge was reflected in school politics. I hated it. Eisboch |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but practice tests have no such requirements. In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another person in the room to monitor the teacher! I don't know anymore than I posted. I just found out about this yesterday. The MCAS testing program is very controversial up here and maybe she violated some rule by taking it upon herself to try to help the kids prepare for tests later on in high grades. Purely speculation on my part, though. Eisboch |
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Gene Kearns wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature...... Yes, truly ....... absurd. Your daughter became emotional while *school officials* offered advice on *medical* treatment? Sounds like a no-brainer, to me..... Gene, the process included several meetings involving my daughter, her husband, two teachers and two school administrators ... one of them a school psychologist who discussed the merits of drug treatment, but didn't know my grandson or any particulars other than what the 23 year old (self diagnosed with AADD) teacher reported. The meetings consisted of the teachers and administrators heavily arguing the subject and pros/cons of the drug treatment while my daughter and son-in-law simply listened in shock. My daughter, a typical loving and very conscientious mother, wanted only what was best for her son and the process wore her down with concern and worry. I got involved, but had to be careful that my personal feelings on the subject and plain ol' "old fashionness" didn't influence her decision. I recommended getting a professional opinion outside of the school system and she decided that her family doctor would be a good place to start. After hearing what was going on her doctor was genuinely ****ed and ended the debate very quickly with one phone call to the school. Eisboch |
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wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers? What would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician? I was involved in 2 excellent educational systems as a student and as an instructor. IBM and the US Navy. Both had a policy that teaching was not a profession and everyone should move on to keep fresh blood flowing in the system. In my private high school they also hired teachers who were going to move on. Most were grad students or people who had worked in the field they taught in some way. It made a lot more interesting classes. What's a math whiz supposed to move on to? Destroyer Executive Officer. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:40:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but practice tests have no such requirements. In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another person in the room to monitor the teacher! I don't know anymore than I posted. I just found out about this yesterday. The MCAS testing program is very controversial up here and maybe she violated some rule by taking it upon herself to try to help the kids prepare for tests later on in high grades. Purely speculation on my part, though. Eisboch A quick peak (http://www.mcaspass.com/testmastery/mcas/mdoe.html ) shows the MCAS to be very similar, at least in purpose, to the Virginia Standards of Learning test. The VSOL was controversial at first, with some teachers, parents, and students against it. This became especially true when Virginia mandated that certain tests must be passed for the student to get a high school diploma. Now most teachers are thankful that the tests exist and is being used to set a standard. They provide a 'stick' that even administrators can't remove. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:34:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: What's a math whiz supposed to move on to? Huh? If a math whiz was not a valuable person we wouldn't teach math. It really depends on what the "whiz" specialty would be but NASA, JPL or NSA spring to mind although a CPA probably makes more money. There are many career fields that rely heavily on math skills including engineering, computer and medical science. |
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... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:34:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: What's a math whiz supposed to move on to? Huh? If a math whiz was not a valuable person we wouldn't teach math. It really depends on what the "whiz" specialty would be but NASA, JPL or NSA spring to mind although a CPA probably makes more money. CPA! That would make great use of some of the bizarre equations I see my son working with. I wonder where the math whiz would go after he/she grew bored with being a CPA. After all, the other places you've mentioned could absorb maybe 1% of the teachers you believe should stop teaching after some period of time. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:34:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: What's a math whiz supposed to move on to? Huh? If a math whiz was not a valuable person we wouldn't teach math. It really depends on what the "whiz" specialty would be but NASA, JPL or NSA spring to mind although a CPA probably makes more money. CPA! That would make great use of some of the bizarre equations I see my son working with. I wonder where the math whiz would go after he/she grew bored with being a CPA. After all, the other places you've mentioned could absorb maybe 1% of the teachers you believe should stop teaching after some period of time. My CPA makes a very good living, he earns a lot more than a tenured professor or a rocket scientist. |
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... On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:30:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: CPA! That would make great use of some of the bizarre equations I see my son working with. I wonder where the math whiz would go after he/she grew bored with being a CPA. After all, the other places you've mentioned could absorb maybe 1% of the teachers you believe should stop teaching after some period of time. The bizarre equasions are assigned to teach the mechanics of manipulating numbers. Those same skills can be used for other complex thought processes. A person with this level of thinking can be an excellent engineer and that is a job we import because we are not making enough of our own. Looks like I'll be contributing an engineer of some sort. My son's not sure yet whether he wants to design space stations, bridges, or a machine that turns body fat into emeralds and Rolexes. Last year, I nagged him to take physics, because even if it's not part of your career, the stuff you learn is endlessly useful as your house falls apart and you need to fix things. Or, you have a better understanding of how to clothesline someone who's trying to start a fight in a bar. As it turned out, he loved it. Besides pointing him toward more career ideas, he's convinced it helped his golf game. |
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Eisboch wrote:
Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. That's ridiculous. It is not the school's job to decide whether or not a kid should be given behavior modifying drugs. It is the school's job to report the kids behavior and let the parents make the decision. .... One of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should have. That's spooky. The teacher as a drug pusher? New paradigm or nightmare socialist power-grab? That teacher should be put in drug rehab herself. People who cannot be happy or productive have the choice to take drugs, but the drugs can only change their perception. Drugs will not change reality. And people who choose to take drugs are dope addicts, whether they take vodka or heroin or prozac or some ritalin-equivalent. It is abhorrent to me that American society has sunk to the level of insisting that citizens must be drugged in order to "fit in." This is the kind of stuff that horror/science fiction novels were about 30 years ago. My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6 year old. The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to social services to support her recommendation. She'll self-destruct sooner later. Best to keep distant from such an individual. DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message .. . Eisboch wrote: Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. That's ridiculous. It is not the school's job to decide whether or not a kid should be given behavior modifying drugs. It is the school's job to report the kids behavior and let the parents make the decision. .... One of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should have. That's spooky. The teacher as a drug pusher? New paradigm or nightmare socialist power-grab? That teacher should be put in drug rehab herself. People who cannot be happy or productive have the choice to take drugs, but the drugs can only change their perception. Drugs will not change reality. And people who choose to take drugs are dope addicts, whether they take vodka or heroin or prozac or some ritalin-equivalent. It is abhorrent to me that American society has sunk to the level of insisting that citizens must be drugged in order to "fit in." This is the kind of stuff that horror/science fiction novels were about 30 years ago. My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6 year old. The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to social services to support her recommendation. She'll self-destruct sooner later. Best to keep distant from such an individual. DSK The schools also get extra money for "Challenged kids". And an ADD drugged kid qualifies. School people should be prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license the first time they try to get the child on a drug program! They should at the most be able to refer him to a licensed medical professional. |
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