"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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So I went out tonight just to mess around up at Webster Lake. Started
with a very nice 3 lb largemouth then a 3 lb smallmouth and hit a
beautiful 21" pickerel all on a purple Senko of all things.

At that point I decided to see if I could hit a full cycle of known
fish species in the lake. I had some really awful smelling blood bait
from the last time I went cat fishing at Mashapaug in Union, so I
reset one pole for cat fishing and hit a good size (1 1/2 lb) bulhead
(sometimes known as a horn pout, yellow pout, etc.) and a decent stone
cat off the gravel bed near Webster Memorial Beach. Cats are just
soooo easy. :)

At that point, I felt it just wouldn't be complete without a bluegill,
pumpkin seed and crappie.

Got 'em on ultra light spinning rig with minnow shaped 1/8 ounce jigs.

So, got the cycle.

Now if I could only find those pike that are continuously rumored to
be in the lake.

WHOO HOO!!


Northern?

Any muskie in there?

Both great fighting fish but quite finicky and tough to catch.

If I remember, it takes 1,000 casts to catch a muskie. We went after muskie
at Lake Chautauqua in NY about a dozen years ago. You could see the damn
things warming themselves in 10" of water but they would not go after any
sort of lure. Trying it in deep water was equally nonproductive. I have
yet to catch one.

Northern pike used to populate Lake Erie, in fact my Dad had a nice one he
caught and mounted I don't know if they are still around in the Lake as I
have not heard of anyone catching one in recent years.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:03:35 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @
pffftt.com wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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So I went out tonight just to mess around up at Webster Lake. Started
with a very nice 3 lb largemouth then a 3 lb smallmouth and hit a
beautiful 21" pickerel all on a purple Senko of all things.

At that point I decided to see if I could hit a full cycle of known
fish species in the lake. I had some really awful smelling blood bait
from the last time I went cat fishing at Mashapaug in Union, so I
reset one pole for cat fishing and hit a good size (1 1/2 lb) bulhead
(sometimes known as a horn pout, yellow pout, etc.) and a decent stone
cat off the gravel bed near Webster Memorial Beach. Cats are just
soooo easy. :)

At that point, I felt it just wouldn't be complete without a bluegill,
pumpkin seed and crappie.

Got 'em on ultra light spinning rig with minnow shaped 1/8 ounce jigs.

So, got the cycle.

Now if I could only find those pike that are continuously rumored to
be in the lake.

WHOO HOO!!

Northern?

Supposedly. There are pike in several natural lakes in the area that
are spring fed - decent size to boot, but Webster is very warm and
that's not all that conducive to pike and trout.

Any muskie in there?

Nah - muskie are strictly a cold water fish. I've caught three muskie
in my life time - all on big heavy trolling rigs in Minnesota.

Both great fighting fish but quite finicky and tough to catch.

Pike are easy - catch 'em all the time. Muskie are a tad different -
they are temperature sensitive and minor changes in temp will turn
them off. I know a couple of guides in Minnesota and Wisconsin who
are expert muskie fishermen. It takes a lifetime of experience to
properly know when and how to catch muskie.

And to answer your question ahead of time, largest was 56 pounds.

Northern pike used to populate Lake Erie, in fact my Dad had a nice one he
caught and mounted I don't know if they are still around in the Lake as
I
have not heard of anyone catching one in recent years.

You're probably familiar with blue pike then.


Yep. I have never seen one and only heard stories about them.

But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the Lake
that we did not see in past decades.



Too damn bad they are extinct - them's was good eatin'. :)

Never had one.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:39:11 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JimH wrote:


But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the Lake
that we did not see in past decades.


Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing
almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had no
idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with their
gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain
sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no idea
what the answers might be.

Another reason to join CBF again:

http://www.cbf.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=19243
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:


But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time not
to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the Lake
that we did not see in past decades.


Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing almost
everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had no idea it
was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with their
gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain sections
of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no idea what the
answers might be.

Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the catch of 9.5
million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial fishing for walleye in
US waters is banned. There were a series of indictments against commercial
fishing companies for their under reporting catches of yellow perch from
2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds.

Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7 million pounds of
walleye annually from Lake Erie.

Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike becoming
extinct.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake
Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time
not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the
Lake
that we did not see in past decades.

Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing
almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had no
idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with their
gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain
sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no idea
what the answers might be.

Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the catch of
9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial fishing for
walleye in US waters is banned. There were a series of indictments
against commercial fishing companies for their under reporting catches of
yellow perch from 2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds.

Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7 million pounds
of walleye annually from Lake Erie.

Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike becoming
extinct.


I'm not sure I understand why non-farm grown fish, which, in reality,
belong to all of us and none of us, should be harvested commercially.
Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days,
although there are many lobstermen who still use individual traps. But
these rugged individuals are NOT hauling up tons and tons of lobsters with
every haul, and their catches are closely regulated.

Commercial fishing in the Great Lakes (US and Canada) nets 64 million pounds
of fish each year. The take from Lake Erie alone is 23.5 million pounds of
fish, even though it is the second smallest of the Great Lakes.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake
Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time
not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the
Lake
that we did not see in past decades.

Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing
almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had no
idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with their
gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain
sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no idea
what the answers might be.

Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the catch of
9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial fishing for
walleye in US waters is banned. There were a series of indictments
against commercial fishing companies for their under reporting catches of
yellow perch from 2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds.

Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7 million pounds
of walleye annually from Lake Erie.

Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike becoming
extinct.


I'm not sure I understand why non-farm grown fish, which, in reality,
belong to all of us and none of us, should be harvested commercially.
Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days,
although there are many lobstermen who still use individual traps. But
these rugged individuals are NOT hauling up tons and tons of lobsters with
every haul, and their catches are closely regulated.

There was 400 million pounds of fish taken by commercial fishermen out of
the port of Reedville, Virginia, second highest of all major US coastal
ports:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARP.RESULTS

New Bedford, Massachusetts ranks number one for total dollar value of the
catch:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARD.RESULTS

An interesting site:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/st1/commercial/

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake
Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time
not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the
Lake
that we did not see in past decades.

Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing
almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had
no idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with
their gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain
sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no
idea what the answers might be.
Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the catch
of 9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial fishing for
walleye in US waters is banned. There were a series of indictments
against commercial fishing companies for their under reporting catches
of yellow perch from 2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds.

Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7 million
pounds of walleye annually from Lake Erie.

Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike
becoming extinct.

I'm not sure I understand why non-farm grown fish, which, in reality,
belong to all of us and none of us, should be harvested commercially.
Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these
days, although there are many lobstermen who still use individual traps.
But these rugged individuals are NOT hauling up tons and tons of
lobsters with every haul, and their catches are closely regulated.

There was 400 million pounds of fish taken by commercial fishermen out of
the port of Reedville, Virginia, second highest of all major US coastal
ports:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARP.RESULTS

New Bedford, Massachusetts ranks number one for total dollar value of the
catch:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARD.RESULTS

An interesting site:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/st1/commercial/
\

But that's the whole point. Non-farmed fish is not a resource that
"belongs" to the commercial fishermen.

I understand and I agree. That is why I posted the figures and the links.
The tonnage of fish taken by commercial fisherman is unbelievable.

Although we do need them to supply us with fish, both at the market and
restaurants I wonder how much of the catch is exported?

Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on
Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this
time not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on
the Lake
that we did not see in past decades.

Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing
almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I
had no idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with
their gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of
certain sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I
have no idea what the answers might be.
Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the
catch of 9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial
fishing for walleye in US waters is banned. There were a series of
indictments against commercial fishing companies for their under
reporting catches of yellow perch from 2001 to 2003 by over 100
million pounds.

Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7 million
pounds of walleye annually from Lake Erie.

Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike
becoming extinct.

I'm not sure I understand why non-farm grown fish, which, in reality,
belong to all of us and none of us, should be harvested commercially.
Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these
days, although there are many lobstermen who still use individual
traps. But these rugged individuals are NOT hauling up tons and tons
of lobsters with every haul, and their catches are closely regulated.

There was 400 million pounds of fish taken by commercial fishermen out
of the port of Reedville, Virginia, second highest of all major US
coastal ports:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARP.RESULTS

New Bedford, Massachusetts ranks number one for total dollar value of
the catch:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARD.RESULTS

An interesting site:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/st1/commercial/

\

But that's the whole point. Non-farmed fish is not a resource that
"belongs" to the commercial fishermen.

Who does it belong to, why does it belong to them and what is the basis
of their claim to ownership?

Your answer can open up a can of worms that will lay yourself open to a
charge of being a hypocrite, again.

Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on
Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this
time not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on
the Lake
that we did not see in past decades.

Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting
sportfishing almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf
coasts, but I had no idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with
their gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of
certain sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and
I have no idea what the answers might be.
Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the
catch of 9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial
fishing for walleye in US waters is banned. There were a series
of indictments against commercial fishing companies for their
under reporting catches of yellow perch from 2001 to 2003 by over
100 million pounds.

Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7 million
pounds of walleye annually from Lake Erie.

Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike
becoming extinct.
I'm not sure I understand why non-farm grown fish, which, in
reality, belong to all of us and none of us, should be harvested
commercially.
Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these
days, although there are many lobstermen who still use individual
traps. But these rugged individuals are NOT hauling up tons and
tons of lobsters with every haul, and their catches are closely
regulated.
There was 400 million pounds of fish taken by commercial fishermen
out of the port of Reedville, Virginia, second highest of all major
US coastal ports:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARP.RESULTS

New Bedford, Massachusetts ranks number one for total dollar value
of the catch:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARD.RESULTS

An interesting site:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/st1/commercial/

\

But that's the whole point. Non-farmed fish is not a resource that
"belongs" to the commercial fishermen.

Who does it belong to, why does it belong to them and what is the
basis of their claim to ownership?

Your answer can open up a can of worms that will lay yourself open to
a charge of being a hypocrite, again.


I started earlier that I believe non-farmed marine resources belong to
everyone and to no one. I have always been opposed to large-scale
"harvesting" of resources such as these, "harvesting" of trees in the
national forests, sale of oil and reserves that are under public lands,
et cetera. I do believe there should be severe limits on the the gross
exploitation of non-farmed marine life.

Do you own your the land around your house?

Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on
Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate,
this time not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems
on the Lake
that we did not see in past decades.

Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting
sportfishing almost everywhere along the US east, west, and
gulf coasts, but I had no idea it was a problem in the inland
lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets
with their gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish
out of certain sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real
problem, and I have no idea what the answers might be.
Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the
catch of 9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually.
Commercial fishing for walleye in US waters is banned. There
were a series of indictments against commercial fishing
companies for their under reporting catches of yellow perch from
2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds.

Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7
million pounds of walleye annually from Lake Erie.

Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike
becoming extinct.
I'm not sure I understand why non-farm grown fish, which, in
reality, belong to all of us and none of us, should be harvested
commercially.
Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens
these days, although there are many lobstermen who still use
individual traps. But these rugged individuals are NOT hauling up
tons and tons of lobsters with every haul, and their catches are
closely regulated.
There was 400 million pounds of fish taken by commercial fishermen
out of the port of Reedville, Virginia, second highest of all
major US coastal ports:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARP.RESULTS

New Bedford, Massachusetts ranks number one for total dollar value
of the catch:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF..._YEARD.RESULTS

An interesting site:

http://www.st.nmfs.gov/st1/commercial/

\

But that's the whole point. Non-farmed fish is not a resource that
"belongs" to the commercial fishermen.
Who does it belong to, why does it belong to them and what is the
basis of their claim to ownership?

Your answer can open up a can of worms that will lay yourself open
to a charge of being a hypocrite, again.

I started earlier that I believe non-farmed marine resources belong
to everyone and to no one. I have always been opposed to large-scale
"harvesting" of resources such as these, "harvesting" of trees in the
national forests, sale of oil and reserves that are under public
lands, et cetera. I do believe there should be severe limits on the
the gross exploitation of non-farmed marine life.

Do you own your the land around your house?


What's your point here, Bert? My house does not sit on public land.

Ownership of the resource determines how the resource can be utilized?