Al K wrote:

What do you think might be interesting to discuss here?

Suggestions for people like me who enjoy fla****er (AKA "sea") kayaking
but can't stand the smell of the ocean.

Bill Tuthill wrote:
Al K wrote:
What do you think might be interesting to discuss here?

Suggestions for people like me who enjoy fla****er (AKA "sea") kayaking
but can't stand the smell of the ocean.


Sjeez Bill, you actually enjoy running fla****er in your ducky?


;-)


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Wilko wrote:

Sjeez Bill, you actually enjoy running fla****er in your ducky?

Compared to rowing a raft into a headwind, it's easy!
I can't keep up with tandem canoes, however.

Bill Tuthill wrote:
Wilko wrote:

Sjeez Bill, you actually enjoy running fla****er in your ducky?

Compared to rowing a raft into a headwind, it's easy!
I can't keep up with tandem canoes, however.

Rowing into a headwind is a killer. I once ran the St Louis river at
30,000 cfs in the hope of a quick ride. Everything was great until the
river took a 90 degree turn and went straight east for 10 miles - right
into a 30+ mph headwind running up the valley. If I stopped rowing, I
just surfed in place. The current taking me downstream and the head
wind pushing me back up. Only when I had my passenger hunker down on
the floor and then power rowed with my back downstream and into the
wind did I make any progress at all. It took hours to make the first
possible place to take out. Never worked so hard before or since,
though I have come close a few times. But nothing for the lenght of
time that trip took.

Blakely
---
Blakely LaCroix
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

"The best adventure is yet to come"

Railtramp wrote:
Bill Tuthill wrote:
Wilko wrote:
Sjeez Bill, you actually enjoy running fla****er in your ducky?
Compared to rowing a raft into a headwind, it's easy!
I can't keep up with tandem canoes, however.

Rowing into a headwind is a killer. I once ran the St Louis river at
30,000 cfs in the hope of a quick ride. Everything was great until the
river took a 90 degree turn and went straight east for 10 miles - right
into a 30+ mph headwind running up the valley. If I stopped rowing, I
just surfed in place. The current taking me downstream and the head
wind pushing me back up. Only when I had my passenger hunker down on
the floor and then power rowed with my back downstream and into the
wind did I make any progress at all. It took hours to make the first
possible place to take out. Never worked so hard before or since,
though I have come close a few times. But nothing for the lenght of
time that trip took.

You rafters, you're both just masochists! ;-)

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

"Wilko" wrote in message
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Railtramp wrote:
Bill Tuthill wrote:
Wilko wrote:
Sjeez Bill, you actually enjoy running fla****er in your ducky?
Compared to rowing a raft into a headwind, it's easy!
I can't keep up with tandem canoes, however.

Rowing into a headwind is a killer. I once ran the St Louis river at
30,000 cfs in the hope of a quick ride. Everything was great until the
river took a 90 degree turn and went straight east for 10 miles - right
into a 30+ mph headwind running up the valley. If I stopped rowing, I
just surfed in place. The current taking me downstream and the head
wind pushing me back up. Only when I had my passenger hunker down on
the floor and then power rowed with my back downstream and into the
wind did I make any progress at all. It took hours to make the first
possible place to take out. Never worked so hard before or since,
though I have come close a few times. But nothing for the lenght of
time that trip took.

You rafters, you're both just masochists! ;-)

On a Grand Canyon trip many years ago (wow, like almost 20!!!) there was
such a headwind one day in Marble Canyon that I rowed with all my strength
for several hours and only gained about 200 yards of river. A big part of
the problem was that the wind kept blowing me into the shoreline eddys and I
would get washed back to the top of the stretch I had just rowed. After
about an hour, I was so exhausted that I let one of the clients try to row.
He got us blown back UPSTREAM from where we had started, and I had to regain
his ground as well as my own. We stopped and made lunch less than 2 miles
from where we spent the night before. It was the second hardest day ever on
a river....

--riverman

On a Grand Canyon trip many years ago (wow, like almost 20!!!) there was
such a headwind one day in Marble Canyon that I rowed with all my strength
for several hours and only gained about 200 yards of river. A big part of
the problem was that the wind kept blowing me into the shoreline eddys and
I would get washed back to the top of the stretch I had just rowed. After
about an hour, I was so exhausted that I let one of the clients try to
row. He got us blown back UPSTREAM from where we had started, and I had to
regain his ground as well as my own. We stopped and made lunch less than 2
miles from where we spent the night before. It was the second hardest day
ever on a river....

--riverman

hi riverman, paddlers,

just when you thought your hear it all!

we ww paddlers tend to think ww is tougher than sea, but wind does make sea
conditions as tough as any ww. i've been brought to a halt in my 19'
racing sea kayak by winds and surfed unexpected, large waves on "fla****er".
infact, that why I think "fla****er" is a misnomer and "sea" is a better
term for non-ww.

al k

riverman wrote:

On a Grand Canyon trip many years ago (wow, like almost 20!!!) there was
such a headwind one day in Marble Canyon that I rowed with all my strength
for several hours and only gained about 200 yards of river. A big part of
the problem was that the wind kept blowing me into the shoreline eddys and I
would get washed back to the top of the stretch I had just rowed. After
about an hour, I was so exhausted that I let one of the clients try to row.
He got us blown back UPSTREAM from where we had started, and I had to regain
his ground as well as my own. We stopped and made lunch less than 2 miles
from where we spent the night before. It was the second hardest day ever on
a river....

What was the hardest day?

The Eel river between Alderpoint and Fort Seward is mostly wide open
with forest on the west bank and oak-dotted grassland on the east bank.
But at one spot the river narrows down with a cliff on each side, only
a dozen meters apart. The Eel is famous for prevailing northwest winds,
and we got to this spot in the afternoon, when upstream winds are at a
maximum. The three rafts on this trip took at least an hour, all rowing
as hard as possible, to make it past this spot.