"Chad" wrote in message
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I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000
martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it
close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so
cool


The Martinique is built like a tank., or at least they were in the mid to
late 1990's. We would have purchased their 32 foot model when we were
looking for boats that size if not for the small aft cabin on the boat.

And yes, having twin outdrives is very nice. The best is twin screws
though. but you have to give up the aft cabin. ;-)

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
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"Chad" wrote in message
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I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000
martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it
close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so
cool


The Martinique is built like a tank., or at least they were in the mid to
late 1990's. We would have purchased their 32 foot model when we were
looking for boats that size if not for the small aft cabin on the boat.

And yes, having twin outdrives is very nice. The best is twin screws
though. but you have to give up the aft cabin. ;-)



my wellcraft is a 2000 and the aft cabbin is big enough to sleep 3

Hi Chad,

My question to you is : "How much more fuel does the dual 350 engines
cost compared to your single 350 in Regal for the same speed and ride
?" I know that the baby is more weight, but just to help me figure out.

Thanks,

Guy

JimH wrote:
"Chad" wrote in message
news:iAwzg.110876$1i1.85950@attbi_s72...

I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000
martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it
close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so
cool


The Martinique is built like a tank., or at least they were in the mid to
late 1990's. We would have purchased their 32 foot model when we were
looking for boats that size if not for the small aft cabin on the boat.

And yes, having twin outdrives is very nice. The best is twin screws
though. but you have to give up the aft cabin. ;-)

Hey Butch,

Could you translate those "VP" and "DP Sterndrive" which are
unfortunately chinese to me but look like relevant advise ?

Thanks,

Guy


Butch Davis wrote:
Single 8.1, if available or 7.4 if not, with VP or Merc dual prop.
Sufficient performance with vastly better economy and much lower maint cost
than with twins. DP sterndrive provides good manuverabilty as well.

Butch
"bowgus" wrote in message
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1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L
(454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of
one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost.

For what it's worth, I've heard from owners their dual prop (e.g. bravo
3, volvo) gives improved efficiency/performance/tracking over a single
prop ... or ... almost as good as having twin engines. So I'd test
drive a dual prop. Plus there's a lot less to maintain/go wrong ...
about 1/2 as much :-)

Guy,

VP=Volvo Penta
DP=Duo Prop or Dual Prop

Sorry,
Butch
"pailleg" wrote in message
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Hey Butch,

Could you translate those "VP" and "DP Sterndrive" which are
unfortunately chinese to me but look like relevant advise ?

Thanks,

Guy


Butch Davis wrote:
Single 8.1, if available or 7.4 if not, with VP or Merc dual prop.
Sufficient performance with vastly better economy and much lower maint
cost
than with twins. DP sterndrive provides good manuverabilty as well.

Butch
"bowgus" wrote in message
oups.com...
1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L
(454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of
one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost.

For what it's worth, I've heard from owners their dual prop (e.g. bravo
3, volvo) gives improved efficiency/performance/tracking over a single
prop ... or ... almost as good as having twin engines. So I'd test
drive a dual prop. Plus there's a lot less to maintain/go wrong ...
about 1/2 as much :-)

JIM,

In regards to your comment to me where you stated...


"Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you
really don't know what you are talking about."


My reply is, as follows...


Keep in mind, that the original poster was asking about single or twin
screw power options, but when he questioned ride quality, I thought it
appropriate to comment on boat quality, design and construction as
these are huge factors in ride quality and if you don't realize that I
would say ditto to your comment above. I am also surmising from your
comments that you are either a Bayliner or a Maxum owner, which would
explain your defensiveness of the brands.


Beyond that, I was not planning on writing a novel about boat hull
construction and I never claimed to be an master boat builder. I was
simply trying to give the original poster some advice from my well over

30 years of boating experience. As far as my expertise...I've lived on

a lake since I was born and I now own my own home on a lake, so I've
been around boats ever since I can remember. I took a DNR boating
class at age 14 and got certified which allowed me to drive a boat solo

at 14, rather than waiting until I was 16. When I was 15, I started
working at a marine dealer and worked there for several years,
eventually moving from selling waterskis and equipment to selling Supra

Inboard Ski Boats and working at boat shows. I used to work with the
Manufacturers reps where I learned a lot about boat construction. I
bought my first boat when I was 16, a 1970 Slickcraft (Pre-AMF), that
had a rotten transom, which also gave me my first expensive lesson in
boat construction and I've owned several boats since then. I am 38
years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu
V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel.


Yes I realize Brunswick is a conglomerate that owns many brands of
varying performance and quality just as I realize that Daimler owns
Chrysler, Ford owns (Jaguar, Volvo, Range Rover), GM owns Saab and at
least 25% of Toyota. Obviously, there are differences in the brands.
I also realize that today's Bayliners are much better than the cookie
cutter "Bayslimers" of the 80's, but the early Maxum's were popped from

the same mold in Burgandy gelcoat as oppossed to the Blue Bayliners.


Today, Maxum, like Bayliner has improved it's quality and likewise
almost every boat manufacturer has improved its quality and performance

with the advancement of better technology and materials, like resins,
kevlar, etc. Likewise an 06 Chevy or Toyota is vastly improved over
its 80's predecessors.


As far as hull, there are several differences in resins and polymers.
There are differences in gelcoat thicknesses. There are also different

thicknesses and qualities of fiberglass matt (Woven roven/Biaxial) and
different methods of laying it up. They may also lay more layers of
biaxial matt or coremat for greater rigidity of the hull. While most
mfr's may claim "hand laid hulls," more limited production boats spend
more time and labor rolling each layer of matt ensuring less voids
which means better adhesion (delamination) or less water penetration
(blistering). This is why some boats may only build several hundred
boats per year vs. thousands of boats per year. Go bang your hand on
the side of a Cobalt and then on a Bayliner and tell me there is no
difference. The Cobalt is thicker and more structurally rigid.


As far as interior, there are several different grades of vinyls,
flooring and hardware and there are several different methods of
installing hardware and windshields. This explains why, after several
years of pounding why some interiors rattle loose and vibrate and why
some don't.


The moral of the story is that there are different brands and qualities

of boats and, like most things in life, you get what you pay for. I
realize not everyone can or even will buy a Lexus Automobile or a
Cobalt Boat, but in the boating market there are a lot of options,
especially in the used market. Every boat I've owned has been used and

purchased in immaculate condition. I maintain them in the same manner
with the intention of keeping them, long term. Resale on a better
brand boat is a huge factor to consider because people like me will pay

a premium for a mid to high-line boat that we know has a lot of
performance and quality built into it that will last for years.


For me, I can see, sense and feel quality in a boat. If you can't, I
would suggest taking a ride in a Cobalt and then hop in a Bayliner and
explain to me that there is no difference in construction and quality.



pailleg wrote:
Hi,

I'm planning to step from my 1992 Bayliner 2655 to a Maxum 1993 270
SCR. I want to get more power, since my current Bayliner got only a
merc. 5.0 L (305 HP) and find some rides a little tuff.

1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L
(454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of
one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost.

2) What about my upgrade choice, since I want more room, a better
finishing and a smoother ride ?

Thanks for your so appreciated advice.

Guy

"Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message
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JIM,

In regards to your comment to me where you stated...


"Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you
really don't know what you are talking about."


My reply is, as follows...


Keep in mind, that the original poster was asking about single or twin
screw power options, but when he questioned ride quality, I thought it
appropriate to comment on boat quality, design and construction as
these are huge factors in ride quality and if you don't realize that I
would say ditto to your comment above.

You should have stopped after answering the single/double screw

I am also surmising from your
comments that you are either a Bayliner or a Maxum owner, which would
explain your defensiveness of the brands.



I have owned a Searay, Chris Craft, and a Maxum. I now own a Glastron. I
have been on older and new Bayliners, docked next to them at various
marinas, spoken with the owners and been through their boats and read
reviews on the newer ones by respected surveyors. I have also read comments
from owners of Bayliners on boating forums, all of which have been positive.
Other than actually owning one I believe I have some experience with the
quality of Bayliner boats.

I am not defensive of any brand of boat. But when someone spews lies about
a particular brand based solely on that brands poor past reputation I jump
in to set the record straight.

Beyond that, I was not planning on writing a novel about boat hull
construction and I never claimed to be an master boat builder. I was
simply trying to give the original poster some advice from my well over

30 years of boating experience.


No, you made specific comments about the poor hull quality of both Bayliner
and Maxum boats.

I asked you to explain to me how they are constructed and what makes them
inferior and all I get is a novel about yout life on a Lake..

As far as my expertise...I've lived on

a lake since I was born and I now own my own home on a lake, so I've
been around boats ever since I can remember. I took a DNR boating
class at age 14 and got certified which allowed me to drive a boat solo

at 14, rather than waiting until I was 16. When I was 15, I started
working at a marine dealer and worked there for several years,
eventually moving from selling waterskis and equipment to selling Supra

Inboard Ski Boats and working at boat shows. I used to work with the
Manufacturers reps where I learned a lot about boat construction. I
bought my first boat when I was 16, a 1970 Slickcraft (Pre-AMF), that
had a rotten transom, which also gave me my first expensive lesson in
boat construction and I've owned several boats since then. I am 38
years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu
V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel.


Yes I realize Brunswick is a conglomerate that owns many brands of
varying performance and quality .................

Not according to your original post.


.......just as I realize that Daimler owns
Chrysler, Ford owns (Jaguar, Volvo, Range Rover), GM owns Saab and at
least 25% of Toyota. Obviously, there are differences in the brands.
I also realize that today's Bayliners are much better than the cookie
cutter "Bayslimers" of the 80's, but the early Maxum's were popped from

the same mold in Burgandy gelcoat as oppossed to the Blue Bayliners.
snip

Bzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Go directly to jail and do not collect $200 if you
pass Go.

I stand by my original statement Patrick. You don't know what you are
talking about.

Century Coronado Cardel wrote:
I am 38
years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu
V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel.


'86 is now "classic"?

wow.

i will say my 83 ChrisCraft scorpion is a tough little boat, it was
well taken care of when I got it last year, and it's always on the
trailer when not in use. I mean, I don't park it in a slip to sit most
of the summer. But that boat is SOLID! and even though it needs some
wax, the gelcoat is still in great shape.

I've had three boats in my live, a 14 ft Jon boat which doesn't count.
a '64 Chris Craft Cavalier (wood) and this Scorpion.

I'm not saying there's not other quality brands out there, but If I get
another boat, it will probably be another Chris.

BUT!
Anyhow. I always looked at multiple engines was there is two of
everything.

Two engines, two outdrives, double the consumption, and could be twice
the head aches.

YMMV