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JoeSpareBedroom July 22nd 06 10:56 PM

Diaster in waiting....
 

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been elected.
"If Kerry
HAD been elected.

I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget there was
a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration and
the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We could/should have
got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The land
war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11 "death
from
the sky" was not an option.

Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that sponsored
those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded. Even NOYB would've
loved it.

Patience Doug, patience.

It will never happen.

You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very telling of
your character and leads me to understand your current situation.



You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.


Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The scale
of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.

Yes...and the universe will unfold as it should!
As long as people like the Bush family are making money hand over fist
from there..diddly squat will happen.


Well, actually, the usual suspects have been protecting their customers
throughout many administrations. It began in earnest in the late 1950s when
we and the Soviets became colonialists (again).



Bert Robbins July 22nd 06 11:42 PM

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been elected. "If
Kerry
HAD been elected.
I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget there was
a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration and the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We could/should have
got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The land war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11 "death from
the sky" was not an option.
Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that sponsored
those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded. Even NOYB would've
loved it.
Patience Doug, patience.
It will never happen.
You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very telling of
your character and leads me to understand your current situation.


You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.

Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The scale
of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.


Never happen. They are one of the biggest customers for our most advanced
weapons. The usual suspects will make sure nothing happens to a customer
like that.


The have AWACS and some F-15's and F-16's other than that they don't
have the really cool new stuff. You might think you own the skies but,
when the US comes knocking your house is already blown down.





Bert Robbins July 22nd 06 11:42 PM

Diaster in waiting....
 
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been elected.
"If Kerry
HAD been elected.

I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget there
was a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration and
the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We could/should
have got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The land
war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11 "death
from
the sky" was not an option.

Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that
sponsored those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded. Even
NOYB would've loved it.

Patience Doug, patience.

It will never happen.

You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very telling
of your character and leads me to understand your current situation.



You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.


Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The
scale of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.

Yes...and the universe will unfold as it should!
As long as people like the Bush family are making money hand over fist
from there..diddly squat will happen.


Start reading some history books.

Bert Robbins July 22nd 06 11:43 PM

Diaster in waiting....
 
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been
elected. "If Kerry
HAD been elected.
I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget there
was a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration
and the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We could/should
have got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The
land war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11 "death
from
the sky" was not an option.
Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that
sponsored those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded. Even
NOYB would've loved it.
Patience Doug, patience.
It will never happen.
You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very telling
of your character and leads me to understand your current situation.


You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.

Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The
scale of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.

Yes...and the universe will unfold as it should!
As long as people like the Bush family are making money hand over fist
from there..diddly squat will happen.



Some people are learning that waging warfare against dedicated
non-traditionals (the Iraqi insurgents, the Palestinians, Hezbollah, et
cetera) is a process that will never lead to "victory." The "situation"
in Iraq has gotten a lot worse in the last few weeks. Even if the
Israelis drive Hezbollah into Syria, as soon as they leave, Hezbollah
will return to Lebanon, with Iran and Syria picking up the $$$ tab. This
of course plays into the hands of the warmongering corporations, their
political partners and lackeys, and brain-dead flagwavers like our
friend Bert here, the "keyboard warriors" who sit on their butts while
the young sons and daughters of mostly lower income families go "over
there" to die.

Yes, things have gotten much better and safer for Americans in this
world since President Idiot ascended to the throne.


All wars of the future will be comprised of 10% face to fact battle and
90% guerrilla warfare.

JoeSpareBedroom July 23rd 06 12:21 AM

Diaster in waiting....
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been elected.
"If Kerry
HAD been elected.
I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget there
was a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration and
the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We could/should
have got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The land
war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11 "death
from
the sky" was not an option.
Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that sponsored
those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded. Even NOYB
would've loved it.
Patience Doug, patience.
It will never happen.
You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very telling
of your character and leads me to understand your current situation.


You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.

Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The
scale of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.

Yes...and the universe will unfold as it should!
As long as people like the Bush family are making money hand over fist
from there..diddly squat will happen.



Some people are learning that waging warfare against dedicated
non-traditionals (the Iraqi insurgents, the Palestinians, Hezbollah, et
cetera) is a process that will never lead to "victory." The "situation"
in Iraq has gotten a lot worse in the last few weeks. Even if the
Israelis drive Hezbollah into Syria, as soon as they leave, Hezbollah
will return to Lebanon, with Iran and Syria picking up the $$$ tab. This
of course plays into the hands of the warmongering corporations, their
political partners and lackeys, and brain-dead flagwavers like our friend
Bert here, the "keyboard warriors" who sit on their butts while the young
sons and daughters of mostly lower income families go "over there" to
die.

Yes, things have gotten much better and safer for Americans in this world
since President Idiot ascended to the throne.


All wars of the future will be comprised of 10% face to fact battle and
90% guerrilla warfare.


So? What's your point?



Bert Robbins July 23rd 06 03:08 AM

Diaster in waiting....
 
Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"

wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been
elected. "If Kerry
HAD been elected.
I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget
there was a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration
and the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We could/should
have got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The
land war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11
"death from
the sky" was not an option.
Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that
sponsored those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded.
Even NOYB would've loved it.
Patience Doug, patience.
It will never happen.
You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very
telling of your character and leads me to understand your current
situation.


You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.

Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The
scale of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.

Yes...and the universe will unfold as it should!
As long as people like the Bush family are making money hand over
fist from there..diddly squat will happen.

Some people are learning that waging warfare against dedicated
non-traditionals (the Iraqi insurgents, the Palestinians, Hezbollah,
et cetera) is a process that will never lead to "victory." The
"situation" in Iraq has gotten a lot worse in the last few weeks.
Even if the Israelis drive Hezbollah into Syria, as soon as they
leave, Hezbollah will return to Lebanon, with Iran and Syria picking
up the $$$ tab. This of course plays into the hands of the
warmongering corporations, their political partners and lackeys, and
brain-dead flagwavers like our friend Bert here, the "keyboard
warriors" who sit on their butts while the young sons and daughters
of mostly lower income families go "over there" to die.

Yes, things have gotten much better and safer for Americans in this
world since President Idiot ascended to the throne.


All wars of the future will be comprised of 10% face to fact battle
and 90% guerrilla warfare.



Quick, Bertbrain, list all our victories against guerrilla forces since
1970.


The wars will never be won, we will continue to fight during the
existence of man.

You're not thinking we're going to pull a "victory" out of Iraq, are
you? Oh, and Afghanistan is headed back into the crapper.


See above. The wars now will have no end.

You think we'd do any better against Hezbollah in Lebanon than the
Israelis?


Yes, because we wouldn't have the rest of the world telling us we only
have one week left to drop bombs and then we need to negotiate.

It's time to elect leadership that thinks with its brains instead of its
dick.


We did elect leadership that thinks with its brain and not its dick.

Bert Robbins July 23rd 06 03:09 AM

Diaster in waiting....
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been elected.
"If Kerry
HAD been elected.
I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget there
was a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration and
the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We could/should
have got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The land
war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11 "death
from
the sky" was not an option.
Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that sponsored
those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded. Even NOYB
would've loved it.
Patience Doug, patience.
It will never happen.
You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very telling
of your character and leads me to understand your current situation.


You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.

Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The
scale of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.

Yes...and the universe will unfold as it should!
As long as people like the Bush family are making money hand over fist
from there..diddly squat will happen.

Some people are learning that waging warfare against dedicated
non-traditionals (the Iraqi insurgents, the Palestinians, Hezbollah, et
cetera) is a process that will never lead to "victory." The "situation"
in Iraq has gotten a lot worse in the last few weeks. Even if the
Israelis drive Hezbollah into Syria, as soon as they leave, Hezbollah
will return to Lebanon, with Iran and Syria picking up the $$$ tab. This
of course plays into the hands of the warmongering corporations, their
political partners and lackeys, and brain-dead flagwavers like our friend
Bert here, the "keyboard warriors" who sit on their butts while the young
sons and daughters of mostly lower income families go "over there" to
die.

Yes, things have gotten much better and safer for Americans in this world
since President Idiot ascended to the throne.

All wars of the future will be comprised of 10% face to fact battle and
90% guerrilla warfare.


So? What's your point?


We are at war and will continue to be at war most likely forever.



Bert Robbins July 23rd 06 03:12 AM

Diaster in waiting....
 
Harry Krause wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:57:08 -0400, "ACP"

wrote:

"If" Bush 43 hadn't been elected. "If" Gore HAD been
elected. "If Kerry
HAD been elected.
I doubt much would have been different. We seem to forget
there was a
war going on in Iraq for the last year of 41s administration
and the
entire 8 years of the Clinton administration. We
could/should have got
out of there in 1991 instead of bombing them every day. The
land war
was just the next loigical step if we didn't. After 9-11
"death from
the sky" was not an option.
Perhaps if we'd successfully gone after the country that
sponsored those 9/11 animals, the world would've applauded.
Even NOYB would've loved it.
Patience Doug, patience.
It will never happen.
You negativity and attempts at strong arming people is very
telling of your character and leads me to understand your
current situation.


You do not believe we will ever touch Saudi Arabia.

Give it time. You need to realize that these things take time. The
scale of time may be 5, 10 or 30 years.

Yes...and the universe will unfold as it should!
As long as people like the Bush family are making money hand over
fist from there..diddly squat will happen.

Some people are learning that waging warfare against dedicated
non-traditionals (the Iraqi insurgents, the Palestinians, Hezbollah,
et cetera) is a process that will never lead to "victory." The
"situation" in Iraq has gotten a lot worse in the last few weeks.
Even if the Israelis drive Hezbollah into Syria, as soon as they
leave, Hezbollah will return to Lebanon, with Iran and Syria picking
up the $$$ tab. This of course plays into the hands of the
warmongering corporations, their political partners and lackeys, and
brain-dead flagwavers like our friend Bert here, the "keyboard
warriors" who sit on their butts while the young sons and daughters
of mostly lower income families go "over there" to die.

Yes, things have gotten much better and safer for Americans in this
world since President Idiot ascended to the throne.
All wars of the future will be comprised of 10% face to fact battle
and 90% guerrilla warfare.


So? What's your point?



The only point Bertbrain has is the one under the white sheet hat he
wears to his Friday night barbecues.


You wish.

Bert Robbins July 23rd 06 04:06 AM

Diaster in waiting....
 
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:59:59 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

What? Is that the latest reason for Bush's war? To keep Israel out of Iraq?

That is not the "latest" take. That is the one we used during the 12
years we were bombing the hell out of them. They called it
"containment". We were containing them so Israel would not take out
the hollow shell left after the Kuwait war inflaming the rest of the
muslim states. Noiw the whole concept is moot. The holy war has
started and we should get the hell away.


We are the next biggest target in that holy war, we can't get out of the
way.

Bert Robbins July 23rd 06 12:58 PM

Diaster in waiting....
 
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:06:56 -0400, Bert Robbins
wrote:

That is not the "latest" take. That is the one we used during the 12
years we were bombing the hell out of them. They called it
"containment". We were containing them so Israel would not take out
the hollow shell left after the Kuwait war inflaming the rest of the
muslim states. Noiw the whole concept is moot. The holy war has
started and we should get the hell away.

We are the next biggest target in that holy war, we can't get out of the
way.



We are only a target because of our commitment to backing Israels
adventures.


We are "the" decadent west and the Great Satan. We are not a bit player
in the Islamic holy war we are a major player.

Without that we are only customers and the customer is always right.


If Israel falls then all of their attention will be focused on us.


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