"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

BTW, what is it about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that bothers
you?
--
John H


I'm consistent, John. I don't like unctuousness, a quality you, Gould,
Smithers, et al, have in abundance. I've posted this before. That's for
starters.

Second, you're a facilitator of bad behavior here. Several have pointed
that out. Your constant response of "Who, me?" is recognized for the
bull**** it is.

Third, you're not clever enough with words to play Zoltan Karpathy, John,
so your oiling and oozing your way around here only makes you
look...silly.


I score that reply a clear knock out.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:19:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

BTW, what is it about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that bothers
you?
--
John H


I'm consistent, John. I don't like unctuousness, a quality you, Gould,
Smithers, et al, have in abundance. I've posted this before. That's for
starters.

And many don't like your brand of post.


Second, you're a facilitator of bad behavior here. Several have pointed
that out. Your constant response of "Who, me?" is recognized for the
bull**** it is.


More horsecrap to cover up your behavior.

Third, you're not clever enough with words to play Zoltan Karpathy,
John, so your oiling and oozing your way around here only makes you
look...silly.

Thanks for the compliment. You're clever also, which is why I can't
understand your desire to swim in the crap.
--
John H

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Harry Krause wrote:


I'm consistent, John. I don't like unctuousness, a quality you, Gould,
Smithers, et al, have in abundance. I've posted this before. That's for
starters.


Harry,
For years you made hundreds of posts stating Chuck was a class act and
one of the most important contributor to rec.boats. You viewed as on of
your best friends in rec.boats, and you always wanted to meet him in
real life. Just because you disagree on an issue does not change who
or what he is.

Chuck is the same person today as he has been since he first started
posting in rec.boats. He is a very well read, very articulate, informed
boater who probably spends more time using his boat than most of the
regulars in rec.boats combined. He can be very opinionated on certain
subjects, but so are 90% of the regulars. For the past 6 months, he has
gone out of his way to stay away from inflammatory posts because he
observed rec.boats had become a flame fest with very few on topic posts.
Since then he had tried to encourage on topic posts and encourage others
to stay away form inflamatory topics, while we are far from perfect,
rec.boats is a better boating forum today, than it was 8 months ago.
As a boater, you really should thank him for contributing to a better NG
to discuss and read boating topics.


--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

I score that reply a clear knock out.



I have been reading Usenet for many years. The one thing that is a
constant in Usenet is no one ever wins an Newsgroup argument. There has
never been a clear knock out in Usenet history, these knock out attempts
only result an escalation of the argument, with a certainty that no one
will ever be "knocked out".



--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

Looks like I hit a raw nerve, eh Harry?

Nobody is "telling anybody what to do."

NOYB expressed his opinion about liberals.

I expressed mine about trolls.

It could very well be that posting an anti-liberal screed in a boating
newsgroup is *not* a troll, so I'd be delighted to learn just exactly
what some BS "talking point" from the Limbaugh or Hannity show
contributes to the subject of recreational boating.

It could very well be that I am wrong, and NOYB was clearly on topic
with his bigoted, hateful silliness. Enlighten me. NOYB's regurgitation
of the tired out: "Canada is overwhelmed with illegal immigrants as US
liberals flee from election defeat and the Bush Administration" is on
topic here exactly how?

Meanwhile, I'll begin a diligent search for NOYB's last on-topic post.
Must have been at least one or two in the last few months....

You excuse a lot of the crap you toss out here as "just something I
want to use to tweak NOYB". He excuses a lot of the crap he posts as
something he's trying to use to tweak you. Why don't you two take it to
email?

Call me a netcop all you like. I'd rather be guilty of suggesting that
people would be better to stay on topic than guilty of deliberately
trying to drive the group into some off-topic **** hole.

Jim wrote:

Those infomercials are kind of dull without pictures, doncha think?
Jim


For $35 a year, you can read all the same "infomercials" (actually
more- an average of 3-4 boat articles per month) with pictures. :-)

Or send me an email, and I can send you photos for a specific item at
no charge.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
For the past 6 months, he has gone out of his way to stay away from
inflammatory posts

Horsepoop. Chuck was the first person to respond to this OT post.


because he
observed rec.boats had become a flame fest with very few on topic posts.
Since then he had tried to encourage on topic posts and encourage others
to stay away form inflamatory topics, while we are far from perfect,
rec.boats is a better boating forum today, than it was 8 months ago.
As a boater, you really should thank him for contributing to a better NG
to discuss and read boating topics.


You used to be one of the good guys. Your flip-flop into the land of
netcopism is disheartening.

NOYB wrote:

Horsepoop. Chuck was the first person to respond to this OT post.


By suggesting you shove the political BS back up the orifice from which
it emerged.

You apparently admit that your post was a blatant troll, simply to see
who might respond? You obviously now admit it was OT.

Do you need a referral to a political website? Is that it? There are
hundreds where your
nonsense would be appropriate. Try this one: http://www.jbs.org/
People go there to yak yak about liberals, etc. Most people come here
to talk boats, and the political BS just attracts an element that dumps
extremist rheotric into a wide number of cross posted groups.

I, for one, will look forward to your future boating related posts in a
boating NG. If you want to post political crap here, be prepared for
some fallout. If the fallout makes you uncomfortable enough that you
need to lash out on the basis of personality, etc....good!

Harry Krause wrote:



I doubt the "fallout" makes NOYB uncomfortable. It doesn't make me
uncomfortable, either. It just makes you look unctuous.

I absolutely believe that the dedicated trolls in this NG are *not*
bothered by the fallout. (Maybe there's hope for the aspiring trolls,
but it's hard to say)
Some people could give a flying fig less about anything except their
own need to
lob crap into the NG and raise a middle finger in some sort of sick or
twisted "triumph" when they do.

Nothing stops or prevents a troll from screwing up the group except
conscience (missing in many cases), self control (also in short supply
in some cases), and maybe a little peer pressure. Consider me peer
pressure. Don't lilke it? Great. You're not supposed to like it. If it
doesn't bother you, (as you claim), then you will find no need to make
snide and catty personal remarks- as you have done several times so far
in this thread.

I think the following few paragraphs have a lot to say to certain
people he

*********

The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by
attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized
places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits:
1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional
responses in others
2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will
leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!")
3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards
things in general
4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community
5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's
true identity is unknown
Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm
**********

So if we examine those in some detail:

The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by
attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized
places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits:
1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional
responses in others

{You would certainly need to include posting political crap into a
newsgroup that isn't intended to be political in nature and where
participants have a reasonable expectation of different subject matter
as "provocative", wouldn't you? Then of course there are the personal
attacks from any side, "to invoke emotional responses in others."}


2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will
leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!")


{Wouldn't it seem obvious that those people who never (or seldom) post
anything in rec.boats that isn't a political troll exhibit a "lack of
connection to the community being trolled"?}

3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards
things in general

{Yup, there you go. 90% of trolls are bitching about something. It's
either the GD liberals, or the GD president, or the GD poster with a
different political opinion, or the GD poster who dares to suggest it
would be better to remain on topic in the NG.}


4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community

{While there are no authorities in rec.boats, there are some rules of
common courtesy and a reasonable expectation that with the tens of
thousands of sites available on the internet the guys who want to argue
politics all the time can more easily find a "GD the liberals" or a "GD
the president" site than boaters can find other boating sites. Comments
like, "You're absolutely out of line to suggest that anybody posting OT
topic here could be out of line, everybody should be able to post what
they want- unless what they want to post is a reminder to stay on
topic...." certainly challenges the unwritten "rules" of the
community.}

5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's
true identity is unknown

{Exhibit A: NOYB. Who the heck is NOYB? Is Bert Robbins really Bert's
name?
Yes, you're actually Harry Krause. Not everybody exhibits all 5
characteristics.Check out the posts from other trolls, and you will
notice that most of them do not use a complete or actual name.}

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

*******************

Damn shame if a guy's life is so narrow that no matter what he has to
say the only place he can find to express himself is in a boating
newsgroup. That's probably not true in your case, but sometimes I have
my doubts about a few others.........

I think we should stick to boats, and I will continue offering comments
to those who abuse the NG to get their personal, political rocks off.
If you don't like it- great, and if it really "didn't bother you" you
wouldn't get all grammar school silly and insulting in response.

On 26 Jun 2006 22:38:40 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:



I doubt the "fallout" makes NOYB uncomfortable. It doesn't make me
uncomfortable, either. It just makes you look unctuous.

I absolutely believe that the dedicated trolls in this NG are *not*
bothered by the fallout. (Maybe there's hope for the aspiring trolls,
but it's hard to say)
Some people could give a flying fig less about anything except their
own need to
lob crap into the NG and raise a middle finger in some sort of sick or
twisted "triumph" when they do.


This NG used to be full of liberals and conservatives, and it argued
about politics.

Now it's full of trolls and netcops, and it argues about trolling and
netcopping.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other...

Jack