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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.


Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's anti Canadian and anti draft
resistor post we've got a good head start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be. Nobody seems more dedicated to
perpetuating the problem than you, Doug. Weather still so foul up your
way that you can't go boating?


Chuck, I agree, about 73%. Meanwhile, can't your newsreader collapse threads
so that only the original message shows?

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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.


Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's anti Canadian and anti draft
resistor post we've got a good head start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be. Nobody seems more dedicated to
perpetuating the problem than you, Doug. Weather still so foul up your
way that you can't go boating?

Hey Chuck! make lemonade out of lemons for yourself. Insert some of your
infomercials into the thread. I don't mind.

JIMinFL wrote:


Hey Chuck! make lemonade out of lemons for yourself. Insert some of your
infomercials into the thread. I don't mind.

Mind?

I don't believe you'd notice.

After all, 99% of my contributions relate to boating.

Something you clearly don't give a frick about, or you wouldn't take
such pride in screwing up the tone of the NG.

Didn't John Fogerty have something to say about this type of thing?
IIRC:


Lost my good job in the city
For trollin' through the groups every night and day
I've been known to lose one whole lot of sleep
Staring at the sceen to think of somethin' to say
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

Talked a lotta trash in rec.boats
Repeatin' things from PBS or FOX TV
Gotta take ahold of these usenet groups
To glorify the White House or the DNC
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

When you drop into the newsgroup
You know you're gonna find a lot of people who spin
It don't really matter if you flame or insult
It's an argument that nobody can win
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.
Trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

There you go, Florida Jim. Consider that "inserted"......(you said you
wouldn't mind). :-)

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Great! The suits who invented the domino theory knew by the late
1960s that it was nonsense, and that's what the entire war was
based on. All presidents are the target of various so-called
scholars and shmexperts. Many of us figured out early on that the
North Vietnamese were not going to burn their way through the south
and invade Australia next. Do you remember this nonsense?

Doug, you are chanting a typical shallow and simplistic post mortem of
a very complex set of circumstances, alliances, and political
commitments that took place over many years, mired also in corruption.
In the end it came down to justifying the continuance of policies that
weren't working or were no longer purposeful.
If you simply believe it was all based on the "domino" theory, then it
was you that was duped.

RCE

Like the other two personal wars, it was based on weak presidents who
succumbed to bad advice, thus demonstrating their complete inability to
manage and think for themselves.

So, as it relates to Vietnam, your list of weak Presidents must include:

Harry S Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kenney
Lyndon Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
Gerald Ford

and, then, to make everything "ok"

Jimmy Carter.

RCE

Grow up.

Good grief.

RCE


Bert is attempting to say that because Truman authorized the OSS to poke
around SE Asia as "advisors" after WWII, he's in the same category as
Johnson, who clearly made the largest committment to the Vietnam mistake.
He's saying pretty much the same thing for Eisenhower & Kennedy.

Doug focus, I did not write the above list.

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Great! The suits who invented the domino theory knew by the
late 1960s that it was nonsense, and that's what the entire
war was based on. All presidents are the target of various
so-called scholars and shmexperts. Many of us figured out
early on that the North Vietnamese were not going to burn
their way through the south and invade Australia next. Do you
remember this nonsense?

Doug, you are chanting a typical shallow and simplistic post
mortem of a very complex set of circumstances, alliances, and
political commitments that took place over many years, mired also
in corruption. In the end it came down to justifying the
continuance of policies that weren't working or were no longer
purposeful.
If you simply believe it was all based on the "domino" theory,
then it was you that was duped.

RCE

Like the other two personal wars, it was based on weak presidents
who succumbed to bad advice, thus demonstrating their complete
inability to manage and think for themselves.

So, as it relates to Vietnam, your list of weak Presidents must
include:

Harry S Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kenney
Lyndon Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
Gerald Ford

and, then, to make everything "ok"

Jimmy Carter.

RCE

Grow up.

Good grief.

RCE


Bert is attempting to say that because Truman authorized the OSS to
poke around SE Asia as "advisors" after WWII, he's in the same
category as Johnson, who clearly made the largest committment to the
Vietnam mistake. He's saying pretty much the same thing for Eisenhower
& Kennedy.


Bert was slow before he joined the M-A-R-I-N-E-S.

Thanks for thinking of me!

Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 08 May 2006 19:59:29 -0400, Harry Krause
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Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

What branch of your military did you serve in?
I greased and stroked the big artillery guns...I polished my
commanders brass buttons so I could stay close to home and out of
danger..
Hold on... that was someone else...not me!
Just as I thought. You think so little of what others sacrificed so
that you can live your easy life.

What did you sacrifice for your stateside service, Bertie? Your
virginity?

Harry, you are in no position to question *anyone's* sacrifices!

You're in no position to know that.

Sure we are, just like your buddy Doug we can put forth anything we want
and until you invalidate it, it will be defacto true.

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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.


Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's.....post we've got a good head
start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be.

Neither posts were meant to be inflammatory or political. Unfortunately,
some chose to make them so, including you. Some also chose to get into the
gutter with name calling and other personal attacks.

No one can control how folks choose to react to posts Chuck. The
politicalization of the posts, as well as the name calling and personal
attacks were all from others. Direct your anger towards those who took the
posts south Chuck because it was not either of us. ;-)

On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:06:54 GMT, Don White
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Please take your unseemly behaviour to the appropriate newsgroup.

Will you be taking your own advice, Don?

On Tue, 09 May 2006 09:30:16 -0400, Harry Krause
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Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 09 May 2006 02:22:04 GMT, Don White wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


What did you sacrifice for your stateside service, Bertie? Your virginity?

Doubtful.... heard his S/O complain that he was still holding on for the
'right time'.

Don, what does your support of Harry's personal attacks do for you? Until
Harry started his foul-mouthed personal attack of Bert, there'd been no
name-calling. As soon as Harry does his thing, you chime in with a similar
comment. From observation, I know you can be a pretty nice, informative,
reasonable person. Yet you follow Harry's example with the personal attack
crap.

Why?
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'Til next time,

John H


Hold on a sec...
I believe Bert's very first post in this thread was to ask me what
military service I had performed.
I took that to mean I shouldn't have an opinion because Bert knows very
well that I've never been a military man.
Bert seems to be one of those people who loses his moral compass if he
isn't being rapped on the knuckles regularly,so in that vein assume I'm
simply performing a public service.



Bert is an ass, and so are Goff and Fritz. They only show up here to
poop. You've heard of two peas in a pod and three coins in a fountain?

Well, Bert, Jackoff and Fritz are three turds in a toilet bowl.


Can't debate with any logic, so you revert back to childish petty name
calling. Grow up.

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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?

I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE

Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.

Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's.....post we've got a good head
start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be.

Neither posts were meant to be inflammatory or political. Unfortunately,
some chose to make them so, including you. Some also chose to get into the
gutter with name calling and other personal attacks.

No one can control how folks choose to react to posts Chuck. The
politicalization of the posts, as well as the name calling and personal
attacks were all from others. Direct your anger towards those who took the
posts south Chuck because it was not either of us. ;-)


Who me?


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Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it.