"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.


Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's anti Canadian and anti draft
resistor post we've got a good head start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be. Nobody seems more dedicated to
perpetuating the problem than you, Doug. Weather still so foul up your
way that you can't go boating?

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.


Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's anti Canadian and anti draft
resistor post we've got a good head start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be. Nobody seems more dedicated to
perpetuating the problem than you, Doug. Weather still so foul up your
way that you can't go boating?


Chuck, I agree, about 73%. Meanwhile, can't your newsreader collapse threads
so that only the original message shows?

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Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.


Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's anti Canadian and anti draft
resistor post we've got a good head start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be. Nobody seems more dedicated to
perpetuating the problem than you, Doug. Weather still so foul up your
way that you can't go boating?

Hey Chuck! make lemonade out of lemons for yourself. Insert some of your
infomercials into the thread. I don't mind.

JIMinFL wrote:


Hey Chuck! make lemonade out of lemons for yourself. Insert some of your
infomercials into the thread. I don't mind.

Mind?

I don't believe you'd notice.

After all, 99% of my contributions relate to boating.

Something you clearly don't give a frick about, or you wouldn't take
such pride in screwing up the tone of the NG.

Didn't John Fogerty have something to say about this type of thing?
IIRC:


Lost my good job in the city
For trollin' through the groups every night and day
I've been known to lose one whole lot of sleep
Staring at the sceen to think of somethin' to say
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

Talked a lotta trash in rec.boats
Repeatin' things from PBS or FOX TV
Gotta take ahold of these usenet groups
To glorify the White House or the DNC
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

When you drop into the newsgroup
You know you're gonna find a lot of people who spin
It don't really matter if you flame or insult
It's an argument that nobody can win
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.
Trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

There you go, Florida Jim. Consider that "inserted"......(you said you
wouldn't mind). :-)

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JIMinFL wrote:


Hey Chuck! make lemonade out of lemons for yourself. Insert some of your
infomercials into the thread. I don't mind.

Mind?

I don't believe you'd notice.

After all, 99% of my contributions relate to boating.

Something you clearly don't give a frick about, or you wouldn't take
such pride in screwing up the tone of the NG.

Didn't John Fogerty have something to say about this type of thing?
IIRC:


Lost my good job in the city
For trollin' through the groups every night and day
I've been known to lose one whole lot of sleep
Staring at the sceen to think of somethin' to say
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

Talked a lotta trash in rec.boats
Repeatin' things from PBS or FOX TV
Gotta take ahold of these usenet groups
To glorify the White House or the DNC
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

When you drop into the newsgroup
You know you're gonna find a lot of people who spin
It don't really matter if you flame or insult
It's an argument that nobody can win
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.
Trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

There you go, Florida Jim. Consider that "inserted"......(you said you
wouldn't mind). :-)

That was mighty inflammatory Chuck. You aren't going to set this ship back
on course with talk like that.

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Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?


I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE


Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.


Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's.....post we've got a good head
start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be.

Neither posts were meant to be inflammatory or political. Unfortunately,
some chose to make them so, including you. Some also chose to get into the
gutter with name calling and other personal attacks.

No one can control how folks choose to react to posts Chuck. The
politicalization of the posts, as well as the name calling and personal
attacks were all from others. Direct your anger towards those who took the
posts south Chuck because it was not either of us. ;-)

JimH wrote:
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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OK. You serve in spite of your questions. Thinking now of Iraq, who do
you think is BEING served?

I think I've been served enough of this crap and I am kicking myself
for
posting my views. It won't change a thing in the minds of many. I
know
that and wonder why I even get involved.

Best thing to do is for you to be happy with yourself and your
viewpoints.
I don't share them, but it really does not matter.

RCE

Yes. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But, I still find this
type of discussion useful. It helps to understand the mindset of people
who
may decide to send MY son off to a war with no purpose.

Then why not have these discussions in an appropriate group?

Between JimH's Kennedy post and JiminFl's.....post we've got a good head
start toward putting the NG right
back in toilet where it used to be.

Neither posts were meant to be inflammatory or political. Unfortunately,
some chose to make them so, including you. Some also chose to get into the
gutter with name calling and other personal attacks.

No one can control how folks choose to react to posts Chuck. The
politicalization of the posts, as well as the name calling and personal
attacks were all from others. Direct your anger towards those who took the
posts south Chuck because it was not either of us. ;-)


Who me?


--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it.

JimH wrote:

Neither posts were meant to be inflammatory or political. Unfortunately,
some chose to make them so, including you. Some also chose to get into the
gutter with name calling and other personal attacks.


Neither post had a damn thing to do with boating. Do you really think
that opening a thread denigrating the Kennedy family and referencing
scandals that go back over 30 years isn't just waving a red flag in
front of a bull?



No one can control how folks choose to react to posts Chuck. The
politicalization of the posts, as well as the name calling and personal
attacks were all from others. Direct your anger towards those who took the
posts south Chuck because it was not either of us. ;-)


So let me get this straight. "Blame the bull for charging. All I did
was wave this red flag a little bit. Who could possibly have predicted
what the reaction of the bull would be"?

Stick to boating, Jim. There are hundreds of sites where you can GD the
Kennedy family
or express some moral outrage about some politician or another (from
either side) receiving special privileges, and where that material
would be welcome.

Lest you failed to notice in the past: The reason to avoid inflammatory
threads in the NG is because the snarking and bitching doesn't confine
itself to the threads titled "Liberals are all traitors" or
"Conservatives would sell their mothers if the price were high enough."
The crap fights leak out into the on-topic threads. Great piles of
festering dung in the OT threads attract a swarm of people (who shall
remain individually unnamed) to this group who seem to go completely
away when we stay on topic. The people in this swarm have little or no
interest in boating, but they don't mind jumping into a boating related
thread to continue the naming and flaming if they see a post from
individual X or individual Y- and they thereby infect even the on-topic
threads with their hateful nonsense.

So, the next time you feel compelled to say "something" ask yourself if
the NG is better off today than it was a couple of days ago, and
whether there just might be some connection between the waving of red
flags and a lot of raging bull.

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JimH wrote:

Neither posts were meant to be inflammatory or political. Unfortunately,
some chose to make them so, including you. Some also chose to get into
the
gutter with name calling and other personal attacks.


Neither post had a damn thing to do with boating. Do you really think
that opening a thread denigrating the Kennedy family and referencing
scandals that go back over 30 years isn't just waving a red flag in
front of a bull?

Sorry Chuck but boating is not in my blood 24x7. If this NG were restricted
to such, it would soon die.

All I did was report a news item. OT? Yep, as my life does not revolve
around boating. The boaters I know have no problem talking about things
that do not necessarily involve boating. You may be the exception.

Having said that.........if you or others chose to take my initial post down
the wrong path that is your problem.

Have a good evening Chuck.

BTW: How is the restoratation going on your boat?