"Don White" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:


I've been following this thread with some amusement. Has anyone here
thought about what would happen to this country without immigration, both
legal and illegal? This economy would collapse. As with most developed
countries, we depend on immigration for a growing economy. It's all
about
birthrates. The natives aren't breeding fast enough to sustain our
population, and, as our population ages, without immigration, this Ponzi
scheme will collapse. We can talk all we want about curbing illegal
immigration, but it ain't going to happen. We'll just make them legal.

There has to be a way for developed countries to prosper without
constantly growing the population. Otherwise...where will it all end?
What happens when there are 20 billion people on the planet?

The concept of endless growth relates to a certain chauvinism. Anyone who
watches a nature show and hears about how animals manage their territories,
will say "Sure. That makes sense. Don't want too many wolves competing for
the same food supply". But, humans are loathe to consider themselves animals
and observe the same rules.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:


I've been following this thread with some amusement. Has anyone here
thought about what would happen to this country without immigration, both
legal and illegal? This economy would collapse. As with most developed
countries, we depend on immigration for a growing economy. It's all
about
birthrates. The natives aren't breeding fast enough to sustain our
population, and, as our population ages, without immigration, this Ponzi
scheme will collapse. We can talk all we want about curbing illegal
immigration, but it ain't going to happen. We'll just make them legal.

There has to be a way for developed countries to prosper without
constantly growing the population. Otherwise...where will it all end?
What happens when there are 20 billion people on the planet?


The concept of endless growth relates to a certain chauvinism. Anyone who
watches a nature show and hears about how animals manage their territories,
will say "Sure. That makes sense. Don't want too many wolves competing for
the same food supply". But, humans are loathe to consider themselves animals
and observe the same rules.


What, killing outsiders that enroach on the pack's territory? I don't
think the undocumented would care for that. Only allowing the boss wolf
to breed? I wouldn't like that.

I don't think Wolves are an appropriate role model for people.

--
Del Cecchi
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strategies or opinions.”

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:


I've been following this thread with some amusement. Has anyone here
thought about what would happen to this country without immigration,
both
legal and illegal? This economy would collapse. As with most developed
countries, we depend on immigration for a growing economy. It's all
about
birthrates. The natives aren't breeding fast enough to sustain our
population, and, as our population ages, without immigration, this Ponzi
scheme will collapse. We can talk all we want about curbing illegal
immigration, but it ain't going to happen. We'll just make them legal.

There has to be a way for developed countries to prosper without
constantly growing the population. Otherwise...where will it all end?
What happens when there are 20 billion people on the planet?


The concept of endless growth relates to a certain chauvinism. Anyone who
watches a nature show and hears about how animals manage their
territories, will say "Sure. That makes sense. Don't want too many wolves
competing for the same food supply". But, humans are loathe to consider
themselves animals and observe the same rules.
What, killing outsiders that enroach on the pack's territory? I don't
think the undocumented would care for that. Only allowing the boss wolf
to breed? I wouldn't like that.

I don't think Wolves are an appropriate role model for people.

Actually, wolves very seldom kill each other over territory.