On 2 May 2006 11:21:16 -0700, "
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JohnH wrote:


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the statistic.
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'Til next time,

John H
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Did you know that most poor people do work? In some cases, much longer
and harder everyday than people who are well off. There is no direct
correlation between the amount of work one is willing to do and the
amount of money they can expect to make. Motel maids,
landscape laborers, food service workers, agricultural laborers, and
(increasingly) construction laborers are very hard working people who
cannot earn a living wage in a typical 8-9 hour shift.

Yes, they are competing with a lot of illegal immigrants. It's sad to
see how the politicos of both parties want to deal with that problem:
Catch the illegals after they've done some work and then deport them
back to Mexico. Where is the will to deport the darned employers who
pay less than minimum wage, and who pay under the table to avoid
contributing to the tax base that supports the social services people
not earning enough to buy food and shelter are going to need? The
employers who are given phony documents and don't find out from Social
Security for 5-6 months that Jose Rodriguez is not legally entitled to
work in this country may have some defense, but the guy who hands out 3
ten-dollar bills to a day laborer at the end of a shift and keeps no
other records has no excuse whatsoever.

Well, you made my point. If most of the folks you mention above are
immigrants (legal or not), then surely the *illegal* ones are increasing
supply and, therefore, the price goes down.

You seem to understand the consequences of the illegal immigrant problem.
You also seem to be one of the few liberals who does.

Given the enormous influx of illegal immigrants, and their addition to the
rolls of 'the poor', how can Bush be blamed for the 'poor getting poorer'?

This seems to be another reason to get rid of political arguments.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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On 2 May 2006 11:21:16 -0700, "
wrote:


JohnH wrote:


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the
statistic.
--
'Til next time,

John H
******************************************

Did you know that most poor people do work? In some cases, much longer
and harder everyday than people who are well off. There is no direct
correlation between the amount of work one is willing to do and the
amount of money they can expect to make. Motel maids,
landscape laborers, food service workers, agricultural laborers, and
(increasingly) construction laborers are very hard working people who
cannot earn a living wage in a typical 8-9 hour shift.

Yes, they are competing with a lot of illegal immigrants. It's sad to
see how the politicos of both parties want to deal with that problem:
Catch the illegals after they've done some work and then deport them
back to Mexico. Where is the will to deport the darned employers who
pay less than minimum wage, and who pay under the table to avoid
contributing to the tax base that supports the social services people
not earning enough to buy food and shelter are going to need? The
employers who are given phony documents and don't find out from Social
Security for 5-6 months that Jose Rodriguez is not legally entitled to
work in this country may have some defense, but the guy who hands out 3
ten-dollar bills to a day laborer at the end of a shift and keeps no
other records has no excuse whatsoever.

Well, you made my point. If most of the folks you mention above are
immigrants (legal or not), then surely the *illegal* ones are increasing
supply and, therefore, the price goes down.

You seem to understand the consequences of the illegal immigrant problem.
You also seem to be one of the few liberals who does.

Given the enormous influx of illegal immigrants, and their addition to the
rolls of 'the poor', how can Bush be blamed for the 'poor getting poorer'?

This seems to be another reason to get rid of political arguments.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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We actually have a guest worker program now. Just applies to high tech and
does keep the salaries down. H-1 visa program. But since we are going to
have guest workers because of the economics and because a lot of Mercan's
will not pick produce, and can collect welfare that allows them to live
fairly well without hard work, we might as well institute a guest worker
program for the labor class. Enforce the law so that an illegal here giving
birth does not have an American Citizen. No where in our laws does it say
that you are automatically a citizen by birth.