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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


What's the French Battle Cry?

WE SURRENDER!!!

http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo

At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and
donuts
and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the
place
near the kitchen door. :)


Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the
street.
You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk
in
front
of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes.
I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue
cotton
robes
and clutching their medical hardware.

I don't smoke cigarettes...

I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban
cheroots...

There's a difference.

*Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :)

It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here!
Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing
seatbelts..........
You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law
stateside???? mmmmmm!

Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to
race
cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes.

I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why.

Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery
truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one
that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all
by
the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started
at
the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire
and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my
arms.

All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I
might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and
after
that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER.

If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have
been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was
told later.

In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents
where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps
and
bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things
like
torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc.

There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched
racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car.

Don't get me started on air bags.


That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic
show
otherwise. ;-)


To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual
choice, not
mandated by law.

RCE


Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for
motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without
a
helmet!
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'Til next time,

John H

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\
And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon.
Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200'
to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they
did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for
the state?


Another anecdotal piece of *evidence*.

Some folks were fishing from a boat and were drinking Pepsi. They
stopped at a waterfront cafe to have dinner docked the boat. They had 4
beers during dinner and realized they could not see their boat while at
the table. One of them decided to move the boat closer and was stopped by
a local officer for a sobriety test after hitting the boat in front of
him. He was ticketed for DWI.

Tell me that was not just to raise money for the State..............;-)





He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your bikes from one side
of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a
car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are
not using an electric car. You think that is not for money?

Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head
before they'll obey traffic laws.

You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane is
warranted most places.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:PTu2g.11337
He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your bikes from one side
of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a
car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are
not using an electric car. You think that is not for money?

Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head
before they'll obey traffic laws.

You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane is
warranted most places.


It seems to me that the guy who hit the boat, should have been ticketed for
DUI and if anyone does not want to pay the $371 miniumum ticket, it is very
easy to insure you do not have to pay anyone. What is the problem?

"Reginald P. Smithers" ThatsMyStory.com wrote in message
. ..

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:PTu2g.11337 He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your
bikes from one side
of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a
car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are
not using an electric car. You think that is not for money?

Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head
before they'll obey traffic laws.

You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane is
warranted most places.


It seems to me that the guy who hit the boat, should have been ticketed
for DUI and if anyone does not want to pay the $371 miniumum ticket, it is
very easy to insure you do not have to pay anyone. What is the problem?


Because you have to cross the HOV lane to exit on some roads. And the law
says you can drive 225' in the lane. Now you prove you did not drive 226'
while crossing the lane. And are they warranted?

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:37:23 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers" ThatsMyStory.com wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:PTu2g.11337 He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your
bikes from one side
of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a
car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are
not using an electric car. You think that is not for money?

Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head
before they'll obey traffic laws.

You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane is
warranted most places.


It seems to me that the guy who hit the boat, should have been ticketed
for DUI and if anyone does not want to pay the $371 miniumum ticket, it is
very easy to insure you do not have to pay anyone. What is the problem?


Because you have to cross the HOV lane to exit on some roads. And the law
says you can drive 225' in the lane. Now you prove you did not drive 226'
while crossing the lane. And are they warranted?


We have that situation on I-66 west of town. There are signs posted to let
drivers know when they can start their exit.

You're right that HOV lanes can be a PITA. Maybe the law should simply be,
"All cars on the interstate during rush hour must have three people
therein."
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:37:23 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers" ThatsMyStory.com wrote in message
m...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:PTu2g.11337 He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your
bikes from one side
of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using
a
car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you
are
not using an electric car. You think that is not for money?

Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head
before they'll obey traffic laws.

You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane is
warranted most places.


It seems to me that the guy who hit the boat, should have been ticketed
for DUI and if anyone does not want to pay the $371 miniumum ticket, it
is
very easy to insure you do not have to pay anyone. What is the problem?


Because you have to cross the HOV lane to exit on some roads. And the law
says you can drive 225' in the lane. Now you prove you did not drive 226'
while crossing the lane. And are they warranted?


We have that situation on I-66 west of town. There are signs posted to let
drivers know when they can start their exit.

You're right that HOV lanes can be a PITA. Maybe the law should simply be,
"All cars on the interstate during rush hour must have three people
therein."
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

The law should be that if you are in any lane but the right lane and are
impeding traffic, your car will be impounded for a couple of months while
you finish drivers school.

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:31:10 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:37:23 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers" ThatsMyStory.com wrote in message
om...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:PTu2g.11337 He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your
bikes from one side
of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using
a
car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you
are
not using an electric car. You think that is not for money?

Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head
before they'll obey traffic laws.

You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane is
warranted most places.


It seems to me that the guy who hit the boat, should have been ticketed
for DUI and if anyone does not want to pay the $371 miniumum ticket, it
is
very easy to insure you do not have to pay anyone. What is the problem?


Because you have to cross the HOV lane to exit on some roads. And the law
says you can drive 225' in the lane. Now you prove you did not drive 226'
while crossing the lane. And are they warranted?


We have that situation on I-66 west of town. There are signs posted to let
drivers know when they can start their exit.

You're right that HOV lanes can be a PITA. Maybe the law should simply be,
"All cars on the interstate during rush hour must have three people
therein."
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

The law should be that if you are in any lane but the right lane and are
impeding traffic, your car will be impounded for a couple of months while
you finish drivers school.


That wouldn't bother me, but it has no bearing during rush hour traffic
when all three lanes are moving at less than 5 mph.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:31:10 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:37:23 GMT, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers" ThatsMyStory.com wrote in message
news:VMqdnRy3fuixa9bZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast. com...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:PTu2g.11337 He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving
your
bikes from one side
of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for
using
a
car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you
are
not using an electric car. You think that is not for money?

Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the
head
before they'll obey traffic laws.

You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane
is
warranted most places.


It seems to me that the guy who hit the boat, should have been
ticketed
for DUI and if anyone does not want to pay the $371 miniumum ticket,
it
is
very easy to insure you do not have to pay anyone. What is the
problem?


Because you have to cross the HOV lane to exit on some roads. And the
law
says you can drive 225' in the lane. Now you prove you did not drive
226'
while crossing the lane. And are they warranted?


We have that situation on I-66 west of town. There are signs posted to
let
drivers know when they can start their exit.

You're right that HOV lanes can be a PITA. Maybe the law should simply
be,
"All cars on the interstate during rush hour must have three people
therein."
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

The law should be that if you are in any lane but the right lane and are
impeding traffic, your car will be impounded for a couple of months while
you finish drivers school.


That wouldn't bother me, but it has no bearing during rush hour traffic
when all three lanes are moving at less than 5 mph.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

They would not be moving 5 mph, if the earlier drivers did not sit in the
left lane and drive 5 mph slower than than the other cars.