On 6 Apr 2006 04:24:40 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Jack Goff wrote:
On 5 Apr 2006 11:22:15 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Don White wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Uh, no, Sinatra did it first, therefore, it appears that Conick copied
Sinatra!


That makes sense.....to everyone but jackoff.
Besides... isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?

Yes, it SHOULD make sense, it's relatively simple........for most,
anyway.

Wrong again, Bassy. Sinatra didn't start it, he is simply one of the
most popular of the crooners. It's a complex concept, and I realize
you and Don prefer the simple ones, but try to follow along...

Sorry, but YOU are wrong. Sinatra's style was unique.

You said "Sinatra did it first", and he did not. Besides, everyone's
unique in their own way. But you are the only person who doesn't
think that Sinatra belongs to the crooner genre. Look it up.


Rudy Vallee is considered to be the first crooner, starting the style
10 years before Sinatra ever came on the scene. Bing Crosby is
considered the "king" of the crooners, and is who Sinatra copied when
he got his start. Sinatra was one of the last and best known today.

Sinatra's style, tempos, pitch, and vocal range were not copied nor
sound anything like either Vallee, or Crosby.

He copied the popular style of the time, and the king of that style is
Crosby. Look it up.


Now fast-forward to 1989, and Harry Connick, Jr. Connick revives the
style of crooning and introduces it to a whole new generation of fans.
He builds quite a career out of it over the last 17 years. Buble is a
johnny-come-lately who is riding Connick's coattails. Without
Connick, you'd never have heard of Buble. Therefore, a "Connick
clone". Can you think of a quicker, more succinct way to describe him
to someone who's never heard of him?

Yes, and quite easily. Big band genre.

Buble would be quite amused, as you just called him a band leader or
musician. Big Bands are just that... big jazz bands headed up by a
band leader. Think Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington.

Crooner is the genre that Sinatra, Connick and Buble belong to. That
style originated in the big band era, and the crooners were typically
backed up by a big band, but not always. In the end, Buble is
definitely not "big band", he's a crooner. From Wikipedia:

"However, crooners have not completely disappeared, with contemporary
performers such as Tony Bennett, Harry Connick Jr., Michael Bublé, and
Rod Stewart keeping the form alive."

And about big bands:

"A big band is a large musical ensemble that plays jazz music."
Nowhere do they even mention a singer.


Jack, with your narrow minded thinking, I seriously doubt that you
could educate anybody on anything, unless it's how to be narrow minded!

Maybe, but I just broadened your horizons. You're welcome.

Jack