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Doug Kanter wrote:


Well, people are buying hybrids right now. If battery replacement issues are
such a problem, how do YOU explain the FACT that they are selling well? Are
the customers being hypnotized when they enter the dealerships?

Here's some perspective for you;

My wife is ready to replace her Subaru. We started shopping a couple of
months ago and looked initially at the Mercedes M Class. When I
discovered that nearly all current owners are reporting a lot of
mechanical problems, we expanded the search. Really liked the Toyota
Highlander, but made the mistake of driving the hybrid. The performance
of the hybrid kicks the stuffing out of the standard V6. There is no
comparison.

People compare the mpg of the hybrid with the standard V6 and wonder,
"why would anybody pay all that much extra just to get (in real life) a
couple of more miles per gallon?" Probably nobody would. However, if
you compare the mpg to a V8 model and realize that the hybrid offers V8
performance, (not V6 performance), with fuel economy more typical of a
large displacement 4-cylinder it makes some sense.

Toyota licenses the hybrid technology to Ford, who uses it in the
Escape and the Mercury Mariner. We drove both, and I wouldn't buy
either one. Toyota only sells the 4-cylinder version to Ford, and the
4-cylinder version is very underpowered. With the 4-banger, you really
do get about the same mpg as with the gas engine and if anything the
4-banger Escapes and Mariners are *less* peppy than the gas
counterparts.

Then for about 20% more than a Highlander you can buy a Lexus, which
will probably be our final choice. The Lexus makes the Toyota look
crude by comparison. We'd own one already except there's no rush to own
a vehicle that's in short supply and where the sticker price is
absolutely non negotiable. I almost don't know how to buy a car where
you can't "deal". The Lexus guy wanted to close me and I asked him,
"Can you give me a reason to buy now?" He was pretty sharp, replying
with, "Yeah, you get to own a Lexus." :-)

(One consideration in favor of delayed timing is the "monorail tax"
drops off of our car tabs by late summer this year. Will make about a
$700 difference in the first year license cost of a vehicle in that
price range. Have to weigh that against continuing depreciation of the
present 5 year old Subaru.........)

So there's some insight into why people would consider buying hybrids.
On a fuel economy basis, don't compare to the V6 gas- compare to the V8
gas that delivers equivalent performance.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV buyers
were asked this question: "If you can have every single feature and
benefit you asked for, but get 23mpg instead of 14mpg, would that
interest you?" How do you suppose some buyers would react to that?

At $2.50 a gallon, it will cost $5,434 in gas to drive the 23mpg vehicle
50,000 miles. It will cost $8,928 to drive the 17mpg vehicle the same.
That's a savings of less than $3,500, far less than the premium for the
privilege of driving the higher-mpg vehicle.

So, yes, the people who are buying hybrids to "save money on gas" ARE
stupid.

Do you think some people might want to save gas just for the hell of it? I
know that's a real stretch for you, but try anyway.

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Doug Kanter wrote:


Well, people are buying hybrids right now. If battery replacement issues
are
such a problem, how do YOU explain the FACT that they are selling well?
Are
the customers being hypnotized when they enter the dealerships?

Here's some perspective for you;

My wife is ready to replace her Subaru. We started shopping a couple of
months ago and looked initially at the Mercedes M Class. When I
discovered that nearly all current owners are reporting a lot of
mechanical problems, we expanded the search. Really liked the Toyota
Highlander, but made the mistake of driving the hybrid. The performance
of the hybrid kicks the stuffing out of the standard V6. There is no
comparison.

That good???

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"Fred Dehl" wrote:
At $2.50 a gallon, it will cost $5,434 in gas to drive the 23mpg vehicle
50,000 miles. It will cost $8,928 to drive the 17mpg vehicle the same.
That's a savings of less than $3,500, far less than the premium for the
privilege of driving the higher-mpg vehicle.

So, yes, the people who are buying hybrids to "save money on gas" ARE
stupid.


Not as stupid as assuming that all people always have the
same priorities & get the same enjoyment out of "the
privilege of driving" a klunky gas guzzler.

Doug Kanter wrote:
Do you think some people might want to save gas just for the hell of it? I
know that's a real stretch for you, but try anyway.


Fred obviously thinks that the price of gas will stay where
it is now, forever. It can't possibly go up enough to change
anybody's priorities, right?

DSK

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DSK wrote in
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Fred obviously thinks that the price of gas will stay where
it is now, forever. It can't possibly go up enough to change
anybody's priorities, right?

I'm dealing with the reality of the present rather than the hysterical
fearmongering of the future. 35 years ago you freaks were predicting an
Ice Age; 25 years ago it was worldwide famine. Now you're ignoring
sunspots and other actual causes of climate change (did you know the
temperature of Mars is increasing too - how many Martians drive SUVs?).
You need to significantly improve your track record before anyone will
take another of your Chicken Little prognostications seriously.

When gas was $1.80, what were you saying when there were predictions of
$2.50?

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DSK wrote in
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Fred obviously thinks that the price of gas will stay where
it is now, forever. It can't possibly go up enough to change
anybody's priorities, right?

I'm dealing with the reality of the present rather than the hysterical
fearmongering of the future. 35 years ago you freaks were predicting an
Ice Age; 25 years ago it was worldwide famine. Now you're ignoring
sunspots and other actual causes of climate change (did you know the
temperature of Mars is increasing too - how many Martians drive SUVs?).
You need to significantly improve your track record before anyone will
take another of your Chicken Little prognostications seriously.

When gas was $1.80, what were you saying when there were predictions of
$2.50?


Nothing. It's beyond my control.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV buyers
were asked this question: "If you can have every single feature and
benefit you asked for, but get 23mpg instead of 14mpg, would that
interest you?" How do you suppose some buyers would react to that?

At $2.50 a gallon, it will cost $5,434 in gas to drive the 23mpg
vehicle 50,000 miles. It will cost $8,928 to drive the 17mpg vehicle
the same. That's a savings of less than $3,500, far less than the
premium for the privilege of driving the higher-mpg vehicle.

So, yes, the people who are buying hybrids to "save money on gas" ARE
stupid.

Do you think some people might want to save gas just for the hell of
it?

No. Remember John "my family owns an SUV, not me - honest" Kerry?

Sorry, but you're wrong about that.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV buyers
were asked this question: "If you can have every single feature and
benefit you asked for, but get 23mpg instead of 14mpg, would that
interest you?" How do you suppose some buyers would react to that?

At $2.50 a gallon, it will cost $5,434 in gas to drive the 23mpg
vehicle 50,000 miles. It will cost $8,928 to drive the 17mpg vehicle
the same. That's a savings of less than $3,500, far less than the
premium for the privilege of driving the higher-mpg vehicle.

So, yes, the people who are buying hybrids to "save money on gas" ARE
stupid.

Do you think some people might want to save gas just for the hell of
it?

No. Remember John "my family owns an SUV, not me - honest" Kerry?

Sorry, but you're wrong about that.

John Kerry's family doesn't own an SUV?

No idea. Doesn't matter. You're wrong about the fact that people won't buy
certain products just because they have less impact on resources. You can't
imagine this.

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Fred Dehl wrote:
I'm dealing with the reality of the present rather than the hysterical
fearmongering of the future.

Umm, no.

You'e calling other people stupid because they don't agree
with your opinions.

When any facts are brought up, you call more names.

Congratulations on your perfect track record.

DSK

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You'e calling other people stupid because they don't agree
with your opinions.

When any facts are brought up, you call more names.


Fred Dehl wrote:
What facts?

The FACT that not everybody sees the "privilege" of driving
a gas-guzzler.

The FACT that oil is a non-renewable resource

The FACT that hybrid cars pollute less

The FACT that in many places hybrid cars are allowed in the
commuter lanes & thus avoid the worst traffic delays (time
is money, this alone may be worth the price differential)


... Future gasoline prices are facts? Tell me more, oh sage, so
that I may phone my commodities broker.

Do you genuinely expect the price of gasoline to go down &
stay down over the long run?

DSK

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV
buyers were asked this question: "If you can have every single
feature and benefit you asked for, but get 23mpg instead of
14mpg, would that interest you?" How do you suppose some buyers
would react to that?

At $2.50 a gallon, it will cost $5,434 in gas to drive the 23mpg
vehicle 50,000 miles. It will cost $8,928 to drive the 17mpg
vehicle the same. That's a savings of less than $3,500, far less
than the premium for the privilege of driving the higher-mpg
vehicle.

So, yes, the people who are buying hybrids to "save money on gas"
ARE stupid.

Do you think some people might want to save gas just for the hell
of it?

No. Remember John "my family owns an SUV, not me - honest" Kerry?

Sorry, but you're wrong about that.

John Kerry's family doesn't own an SUV?

No idea. Doesn't matter. You're wrong about the fact that people won't
buy certain products just because they have less impact on resources.
You can't imagine this.

What vehicles do you own?

I own a 2002 Tacoma 6 cylinder. Why do you ask?

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Fred Dehl wrote:
1. "Gas-guzzler" is a perjorative term.

No, it is descriptive.

It is accurate in many cases, not so in others.

For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a
bottle of milk is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to
haul large heavy objects over unfavorable terrain, is not.
The difference is in utility.

2. I never claimed everyone wants to drive a vehicle that is less gas-
efficient than other vehicles.

Correct.
But you did claim that those who do not want to drive an
inefficient vehicle were stupid.


3. Your statement refutes nothing I've ever posted.


Actually, it refutes everything you've posted and also
points out your own stupidity & close mindedness.



The FACT that oil is a non-renewable resource




Nobody has brought this up, but now that you have, I must ask why you're
opposed to finding more

Why do you assume I am opposed to finding more?
Another stupid non-fact posted by you.


... since doing so would keep all energy more
affordable.


Clue- oil is non-renewable. No matter how much exploration
is done, we will run out eventually.

A very smart scientist... who made a lot of money in the oil
business... named King Hubbert worked out the math of global
oil supply a long time ago.

Google up the words "Hubbert peak"

Of course, you haven't liked any of the FACTS introduced
into this thread so far, and you won't like these FACTS
either because they prove you're wrong.


DSK

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
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Fred Dehl wrote:
1. "Gas-guzzler" is a perjorative term.

No, it is descriptive.

It is accurate in many cases, not so in others.

For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a
bottle of milk is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to
haul large heavy objects over unfavorable terrain, is not.
The difference is in utility.

Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.

I'm curious: What kind of work do you do?

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For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a
bottle of milk is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to
haul large heavy objects over unfavorable terrain, is not.
The difference is in utility.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.


???

Fred, at first I thought you were kind of funny, in a sad
way. I mean, you're the ultimate fat & stupid angry white
man (you're bald, too, right? just a guess). You're like
listening to an audition for a spot on hate-talk radio, with
a laugh track.

However it is not funny when it becomes obvious that you
need help.

Seriously.

DSK

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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John Kerry's family doesn't own an SUV?

No idea. Doesn't matter. You're wrong about the fact that people won't
buy certain products just because they have less impact on resources.
You can't imagine this.

What vehicles do you own?

I own a 2002 Tacoma 6 cylinder. Why do you ask?

So you didn't buy a certain produce just because it has less impact on
resources. You just proved that you're an absolute liar. I'd been doing
a great job of that, but I appreciate the help.

What a ridiculous conclusion. I said "people will buy certain products
because they have less impact on resources". I did not say that I did this
with my vehicle purchase.

I needed the following features when I chose my truck:

1) Enough power to tow my boat.
2) Comfortable room for 4 tall passengers on long trips
3) Preferably rear wheel drive
4) As economical as possible when NOT towing

In August of 2002, the choices came down to two: The Tacoma, or a Crown
Victoria. The Ford was having issues with its exploding gas tank feature, so
I passed on it. There were no other vehicles which would fit the
aforementioned requirements at the time.

Any questions?

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"DSK" wrote in message
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For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a bottle of milk
is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to haul large heavy objects over
unfavorable terrain, is not. The difference is in utility.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.


???

Fred, at first I thought you were kind of funny, in a sad way. I mean,
you're the ultimate fat & stupid angry white man (you're bald, too, right?
just a guess). You're like listening to an audition for a spot on
hate-talk radio, with a laugh track.

However it is not funny when it becomes obvious that you need help.

Seriously.

DSK


The moron thinks it's a good idea to drive a Hummer all over town doing
errands. Oops...I shouldn't have said that. I'm controlling peoples'
behavior again.

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Doug Kanter wrote:
The moron thinks it's a good idea to drive a Hummer all over town doing
errands.

I'm not sure that's true, he never said it was a good idea
to waste expensive & non-renewable resources...
He said people who don't enjoy it are stupid.



... Oops...I shouldn't have said that. I'm controlling peoples'
behavior again.


Can you explain that? Fred apparently can't.

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat." However that would be a really destructive
& dangerous suggestion for Fred.

DSK

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
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Fred Dehl wrote:
1. "Gas-guzzler" is a perjorative term.

No, it is descriptive.

It is accurate in many cases, not so in others.

For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a
bottle of milk is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to
haul large heavy objects over unfavorable terrain, is not.
The difference is in utility.

Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.

I'm curious: What kind of work do you do?

Stay on topic.

I need to know what kind of work you do. You will get no further
gratification from this discussion until I have an answer. Hang onto your
diapers.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
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Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."

Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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The moron thinks it's a good idea to drive a Hummer all over town doing
errands.

A Hummer is more fuel-efficient than a 20-foot Bayscraper. And you can't
run a Bayscraper to the grocerty store and back.

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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John Kerry's family doesn't own an SUV?

No idea. Doesn't matter. You're wrong about the fact that people
won't buy certain products just because they have less impact on
resources. You can't imagine this.

What vehicles do you own?

I own a 2002 Tacoma 6 cylinder. Why do you ask?

So you didn't buy a certain produce just because it has less impact
on resources. You just proved that you're an absolute liar. I'd
been doing a great job of that, but I appreciate the help.

What a ridiculous conclusion. I said "people will buy certain products
because they have less impact on resources". I did not say that I did
this with my vehicle purchase.

So you're a ****ing pompous dickless hypocrite.

I needed the following features when I chose my truck:

1) Enough power to tow my boat.

Someone needs to sink that gas guzzler. Where's it moored right now?

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
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Fred Dehl wrote:
1. "Gas-guzzler" is a perjorative term.

No, it is descriptive.

It is accurate in many cases, not so in others.

For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a
bottle of milk is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to
haul large heavy objects over unfavorable terrain, is not.
The difference is in utility.

Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.

I'm curious: What kind of work do you do?

Stay on topic.

I need to know what kind of work you do. You will get no further
gratification from this discussion until I have an answer. Hang onto your
diapers.



Repeat after me:

Serenity now.............serenity now................serenity
now..........................aaaaauuuuuuummmmmmmmm m......

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
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Fred Dehl wrote:
1. "Gas-guzzler" is a perjorative term.

No, it is descriptive.

It is accurate in many cases, not so in others.

For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a
bottle of milk is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to
haul large heavy objects over unfavorable terrain, is not.
The difference is in utility.

Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.

I'm curious: What kind of work do you do?

Stay on topic.

I need to know what kind of work you do. You will get no further
gratification from this discussion until I have an answer. Hang onto your
diapers.



Repeat after me:

Serenity now.............serenity now................serenity
now..........................aaaaauuuuuuummmmmmmmm m......


I'm as smooth as can be at the moment. Heading out to disassemble a bar and
its patrons with my bass guitar.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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John Kerry's family doesn't own an SUV?

No idea. Doesn't matter. You're wrong about the fact that people
won't buy certain products just because they have less impact on
resources. You can't imagine this.

What vehicles do you own?

I own a 2002 Tacoma 6 cylinder. Why do you ask?

So you didn't buy a certain produce just because it has less impact
on resources. You just proved that you're an absolute liar. I'd
been doing a great job of that, but I appreciate the help.

What a ridiculous conclusion. I said "people will buy certain products
because they have less impact on resources". I did not say that I did
this with my vehicle purchase.

So you're a ****ing pompous dickless hypocrite.

I needed the following features when I chose my truck:

1) Enough power to tow my boat.

Someone needs to sink that gas guzzler. Where's it moored right now?

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.


A hiccup?

Repeat after me:

Serenity now.............serenity now................serenity
now..........................aaaaauuuuuuummmmmmmmm m......

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Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended
leases, but because many people woke up and figured out they were
the wrong car. You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your
vehicle. It's called a "feint".

You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2
year old SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate
number and generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not
based upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact
that you said "Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of
vehicle, regardless of how it was powered" was a poor attempt to
deflect the factthat you were beaten on your own terms.

I didn't say I wouldn't buy a hybrid. I said I wouldn't buy a hybrid
SUV.

You were harping about people "turning in" their SUV's for other
vehicles. So, I used the Escape as an example and your responded that
it didn't matter because you wouldn't buy that kind of vehicle. Do you
know how childish that sounds?

Not much different from you explaining the financing terms of your
vehicle, which was 100% irrelevant to the discussion.

Perhaps people buy the hybrid version because they want to use less
gasoline, not because they care so much about total cost of ownership.
Is that possible?

Look, Doug is ignoring economics when it conveniently fits his current
position. I'll have to remember that economics are not important to
you.

Well, people are buying hybrids right now. If battery replacement issues
are such a problem, how do YOU explain the FACT that they are selling
well? Are the customers being hypnotized when they enter the
dealerships?

It makes them feel good, no other reason and no logic involved. I'm
suprised that you are ranting and raving about how stupid these people
are for wasting money.


I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV buyers were
asked this question: "If you can have every single feature and benefit you
asked for, but get 23mpg instead of 14mpg, would that interest you?" How
do you suppose some buyers would react to that?

Cavet Emptor.

Remember: People buy the sizzle, not the steak (as sales trainers love to
point out).

Ask Chuck how much money he made only delivering the sizzle.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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John Kerry's family doesn't own an SUV?

No idea. Doesn't matter. You're wrong about the fact that people
won't buy certain products just because they have less impact on
resources. You can't imagine this.

What vehicles do you own?

I own a 2002 Tacoma 6 cylinder. Why do you ask?

So you didn't buy a certain produce just because it has less impact
on resources. You just proved that you're an absolute liar. I'd
been doing a great job of that, but I appreciate the help.

What a ridiculous conclusion. I said "people will buy certain products
because they have less impact on resources". I did not say that I did
this with my vehicle purchase.

So you're a ****ing pompous dickless hypocrite.

I needed the following features when I chose my truck:

1) Enough power to tow my boat.

Someone needs to sink that gas guzzler. Where's it moored right now?

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.


A hiccup?

Repeat after me:

Serenity now.............serenity now................serenity
now..........................aaaaauuuuuuummmmmmmmm m......

Die.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV buyers
were asked this question: "If you can have every single feature and
benefit you asked for, but get 23mpg instead of 14mpg, would that
interest you?" How do you suppose some buyers would react to that?

At $2.50 a gallon, it will cost $5,434 in gas to drive the 23mpg vehicle
50,000 miles. It will cost $8,928 to drive the 17mpg vehicle the same.
That's a savings of less than $3,500, far less than the premium for the
privilege of driving the higher-mpg vehicle.

So, yes, the people who are buying hybrids to "save money on gas" ARE
stupid.

Do you think some people might want to save gas just for the hell of it? I
know that's a real stretch for you, but try anyway.

It must hurt to be so twisted and bent that you are arguing the positions
you normally argue against.

If you want to pay double for your gasoline you are free to do so. Buy a
hybrid of your choice.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Fred Dehl wrote:
1. "Gas-guzzler" is a perjorative term.

No, it is descriptive.

It is accurate in many cases, not so in others.

For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a bottle of milk
is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to haul large heavy objects over
unfavorable terrain, is not. The difference is in utility.

Would you be so kind as to name the make and model of any 5 ton SUV?

2. I never claimed everyone wants to drive a vehicle that is less gas-
efficient than other vehicles.

Correct.
But you did claim that those who do not want to drive an inefficient
vehicle were stupid.


3. Your statement refutes nothing I've ever posted.


Actually, it refutes everything you've posted and also points out your own
stupidity & close mindedness.



The FACT that oil is a non-renewable resource




Nobody has brought this up, but now that you have, I must ask why you're
opposed to finding more

Why do you assume I am opposed to finding more?
Another stupid non-fact posted by you.


... since doing so would keep all energy more affordable.


Clue- oil is non-renewable. No matter how much exploration is done, we
will run out eventually.

When we, everyone on the entire planet, start to really run out of oil we
will be forced to find other means of producing energy and goods from oil.
But, until that time we will continue to drill, pump and burn oil. There is
not economic incentive to switch away from oil, there is only an emotional
desire on the part of some.

A very smart scientist... who made a lot of money in the oil business...
named King Hubbert worked out the math of global oil supply a long time
ago.

Really? I thought that the supply of oil was going to run out in 30 years,
with the clock startign to click in the late 1970's. I guess that we only
have a couple of years worth of oil left.

Google up the words "Hubbert peak"

Of course, you haven't liked any of the FACTS introduced into this thread
so far, and you won't like these FACTS either because they prove you're
wrong.

Ice age. Global warming. What's next.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a bottle of milk
is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to haul large heavy objects over
unfavorable terrain, is not. The difference is in utility.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.


???

Fred, at first I thought you were kind of funny, in a sad way. I mean,
you're the ultimate fat & stupid angry white man (you're bald, too, right?
just a guess). You're like listening to an audition for a spot on
hate-talk radio, with a laugh track.

Your immaturity and shallowness is shinning brightly. I suppose you asked
your parents to give you you the physical characteristics you have now?

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."

Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

What do you do? Put up or shut up.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:24:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

What's work?

It's that thing people do between paychecks.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

When you're retired all you have to do is breathe between paychecks ;)


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:49:10 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:24:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

What's work?

It's that thing people do between paychecks.

Oh - as long as that's clear.

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When you're retired all you have to do is breathe between paychecks!! ;)


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:24:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

What's work?

It's that thing people do between paychecks.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:45:10 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
For example, a 5 ton SUV driven to the grocery store for a bottle of
milk
is guzzling gas. The same vehicle, used to haul large heavy objects
over
unfavorable terrain, is not. The difference is in utility.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Didn't one of your butt-buddies claim they weren't trying to control
behavior? Thanks for proving that statement wrong.


???

Fred, at first I thought you were kind of funny, in a sad way. I mean,
you're the ultimate fat & stupid angry white man (you're bald, too,
right?
just a guess). You're like listening to an audition for a spot on
hate-talk radio, with a laugh track.

Your immaturity and shallowness is shinning brightly. I suppose you asked
your parents to give you you the physical characteristics you have now?

Oh - well done. I like that in a non-judgmental way.

Can I use that sometime? :)

I got that one from a wise old Gunny about 20 years ago.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:


"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."

Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

No it isn't. There's no reason to ask that, other than to demonstrate
that you can't address the topic of the thread, a fact that I proved about
150 posts ago.

What kind of work do you do?

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..


I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV buyers were
asked this question: "If you can have every single feature and benefit
you asked for, but get 23mpg instead of 14mpg, would that interest you?"
How do you suppose some buyers would react to that?

Cavet Emptor.


Why? I don't expect the mpg estimates to be gospel, but they're usually
achievable unless someone drives like an idiot.

Let's try this, since you're totally allergic to thought experiments:

You're a car salesman. A lady walks in and says "I want an SUV. I need lots
of room for passengers and soccer balls. And, I think they're safer because
blah blah blah".

Now - you have two available. One's the traditional variety, with 4WD and a
V-8. MPG=16/12. The other has 2WD only, a V-6, and MPG sticker says 25/20.
Other than these differences they are identical.

Would you tell her about both versions?

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."

Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

What do you do? Put up or shut up.


I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."

Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.

That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.

What do you do? Put up or shut up.


I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.


Is that a fancy name for a stockboy? ;-)

Just kidding............just kidding...........

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

Fred, at first I thought you were kind of funny, in a sad way. I mean,
you're the ultimate fat & stupid angry white man (you're bald, too, right?
just a guess). You're like listening to an audition for a spot on
hate-talk radio, with a laugh track.


Your immaturity and shallowness is shinning brightly. I suppose you asked
your parents to give you you the physical characteristics you have now?


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Oh - well done. I like that in a non-judgmental way.

Can I use that sometime? :)

Good work... circle the wagons when one of your own is going
down in flames.

Let's see, did Fred's parents make him fat? They may have
taken a hand in making him stupid, and ingraining him with a
high level of unreasoned prejudice... and that's a good
thing IYHO? We can also guess that he may be angry with the
world because of issues associated with his childhood (ie
blame the parents)?

In other words, being a fat angry stupid white man, with a
bald spot, is not Fred's fault. You stole that whine from
liberals, right?

Great new album title: Rappa Fred & Bert & Tom... fat stupid
and angry as they wanna be

DSK