At hugely inflated prices?? no wonder they say just about anything to
sell them but wait till the season gets going I'll keep you up to date
with the results of running poorly atomised fuel, lean at power.

They say no dealer maintenance but then demand lots of maintenance by
the owner, any engine can say that????

What other new OBs ever demand only their dealer services???

Is it true they only sell if you pay (through the nose) their dealer to
rig??

How can it be they want thousands $$$$$ more in asking price than the
other brands?? when the engine is an old tech 2 stroke???

They should be cheaper given they have no track record, other than that
of Ficht upon which they're based??

No other brand demands you use their dealer for anything & to say no
"dealer" service is a deception, no engine has that if you chose to do
it yourself or have any marine place do it for you.

The old OMC dealers are still what they are & only the truly naive or
............ (tommed??) would fall for it anyway.


2/20/2006 8:35:00 PM Submitted by Brad from CA says you may not install
your E-TEC
That bothered me too, because i don't want ANYONE touching my engine OR
my boat. The last engine i bought, the dealer put in 4 bolts and i drove
it off. The evinrude dealer said he had to install the tach also, but i
told him that NO ONE EVER works on my boat but me. I designed my boat, i
built my boat, and no one touches it but me. he said that when the tach
arrived, he would call me and i would pick it up and install it and run
the harness back to the engine.

With the E-TEC the dealer has to completely install the engine in order
to 'register' it for warranty. The dealer also has to hook up a laptop
to program it for the kind of oil you will use. Three grades of oil are
available.


posted February 23, 2006 06:27 PMFebruary 23, 2006 06:27 PM Profile
for INTERNETOUTBOARDS Author's Homepage Edit/Delete Post
Reply With Quote You guy's crack me up. BillP, Sorry to burst your
bubble, but pointing out a flawed marketing plan is not bashing
anything. DJ, I thought I was pretty clear about EACH brand losing a
point for one thing or another. Go back and read my post again. My
opinions are not based on anything except my knowledge of the marine
industry. As to E-Tech's phony marketing plan...Sorry, but that is what
it really is. Since no manufacturer requires you to have your engine
serviced by an authorized dealer( except for a warranty repair)the hype
from BRP is at best misleading. As to who is saying what?....Try every
BRP employee and dealer at the Miami show. It was laughable when they
would tell a potential buyer "AND REMEMBER, WITH OUR ENGINE YOU DON'T
NEED ANY MAINTENANCE TO SPEAK OF." E-Tech's are just like every other
product made. No better, no worse. And just for the record, if I was
looking for a 200 hp range outboard, E-Tech would be my first choice.
Not because of the phony hype, but because it is the best alternative in
that hp range.

--------------------
ELVIN
AVALONPROGROUP


posted February 23, 2006 08:35 PMFebruary 23, 2006 08:35 PM Profile
for tommays Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote
http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/E-Tec/E-TEC.Advantage/

i could have pour reading comprehension BUT when i read things like

quote:Not even gearcase lube

i would think it implies no maintenance is required and if there is any
they sure dont talk about it






- posted February 21, 2006 06:26 PMFebruary 21, 2006 06:26 PM
Profile for seahorse Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote

quote:Originally posted by ciolekr:
Second I just repowered with E-tecs and something is never said
about them and thats they eat spark plugs. Spark plugs go for ten
dollars a piece

Trolling again, K?
B.
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
At hugely inflated prices?? no wonder they say just about anything to sell
them but wait till the season gets going I'll keep you up to date with the
results of running poorly atomised fuel, lean at power.

They say no dealer maintenance but then demand lots of maintenance by the
owner, any engine can say that????

What other new OBs ever demand only their dealer services???

Is it true they only sell if you pay (through the nose) their dealer to
rig??

How can it be they want thousands $$$$$ more in asking price than the
other brands?? when the engine is an old tech 2 stroke???

They should be cheaper given they have no track record, other than that of
Ficht upon which they're based??

No other brand demands you use their dealer for anything & to say no
"dealer" service is a deception, no engine has that if you chose to do it
yourself or have any marine place do it for you.

The old OMC dealers are still what they are & only the truly naive or
........... (tommed??) would fall for it anyway.


2/20/2006 8:35:00 PM Submitted by Brad from CA says you may not install
your E-TEC
That bothered me too, because i don't want ANYONE touching my engine OR my
boat. The last engine i bought, the dealer put in 4 bolts and i drove it
off. The evinrude dealer said he had to install the tach also, but i told
him that NO ONE EVER works on my boat but me. I designed my boat, i built
my boat, and no one touches it but me. he said that when the tach arrived,
he would call me and i would pick it up and install it and run the harness
back to the engine.

With the E-TEC the dealer has to completely install the engine in order to
'register' it for warranty. The dealer also has to hook up a laptop to
program it for the kind of oil you will use. Three grades of oil are
available.


posted February 23, 2006 06:27 PMFebruary 23, 2006 06:27 PM Profile
for INTERNETOUTBOARDS Author's Homepage Edit/Delete Post Reply
With Quote You guy's crack me up. BillP, Sorry to burst your bubble, but
pointing out a flawed marketing plan is not bashing anything. DJ, I
thought I was pretty clear about EACH brand losing a point for one thing
or another. Go back and read my post again. My opinions are not based on
anything except my knowledge of the marine industry. As to E-Tech's phony
marketing plan...Sorry, but that is what it really is. Since no
manufacturer requires you to have your engine serviced by an authorized
dealer( except for a warranty repair)the hype from BRP is at best
misleading. As to who is saying what?....Try every BRP employee and dealer
at the Miami show. It was laughable when they would tell a potential buyer
"AND REMEMBER, WITH OUR ENGINE YOU DON'T NEED ANY MAINTENANCE TO SPEAK
OF." E-Tech's are just like every other product made. No better, no worse.
And just for the record, if I was looking for a 200 hp range outboard,
E-Tech would be my first choice. Not because of the phony hype, but
because it is the best alternative in that hp range.

--------------------
ELVIN
AVALONPROGROUP


posted February 23, 2006 08:35 PMFebruary 23, 2006 08:35 PM Profile
for tommays Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote
http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/E-Tec/E-TEC.Advantage/

i could have pour reading comprehension BUT when i read things like

quote:Not even gearcase lube

i would think it implies no maintenance is required and if there is any
they sure dont talk about it






- posted February 21, 2006 06:26 PMFebruary 21, 2006 06:26 PM Profile for
seahorse Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote

quote:Originally posted by ciolekr:
Second I just repowered with E-tecs and something is never said
about them and thats they eat spark plugs. Spark plugs go for ten
dollars a piece

Butch Davis wrote:
Trolling again, K?
B.
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

At hugely inflated prices?? no wonder they say just about anything to sell
them but wait till the season gets going I'll keep you up to date with the
results of running poorly atomised fuel, lean at power.

They say no dealer maintenance but then demand lots of maintenance by the
owner, any engine can say that????

What other new OBs ever demand only their dealer services???

Is it true they only sell if you pay (through the nose) their dealer to
rig??

How can it be they want thousands $$$$$ more in asking price than the
other brands?? when the engine is an old tech 2 stroke???

They should be cheaper given they have no track record, other than that of
Ficht upon which they're based??

No other brand demands you use their dealer for anything & to say no
"dealer" service is a deception, no engine has that if you chose to do it
yourself or have any marine place do it for you.

The old OMC dealers are still what they are & only the truly naive or
........... (tommed??) would fall for it anyway.


2/20/2006 8:35:00 PM Submitted by Brad from CA says you may not install
your E-TEC
That bothered me too, because i don't want ANYONE touching my engine OR my
boat. The last engine i bought, the dealer put in 4 bolts and i drove it
off. The evinrude dealer said he had to install the tach also, but i told
him that NO ONE EVER works on my boat but me. I designed my boat, i built
my boat, and no one touches it but me. he said that when the tach arrived,
he would call me and i would pick it up and install it and run the harness
back to the engine.

With the E-TEC the dealer has to completely install the engine in order to
'register' it for warranty. The dealer also has to hook up a laptop to
program it for the kind of oil you will use. Three grades of oil are
available.


posted February 23, 2006 06:27 PMFebruary 23, 2006 06:27 PM Profile
for INTERNETOUTBOARDS Author's Homepage Edit/Delete Post Reply
With Quote You guy's crack me up. BillP, Sorry to burst your bubble, but
pointing out a flawed marketing plan is not bashing anything. DJ, I
thought I was pretty clear about EACH brand losing a point for one thing
or another. Go back and read my post again. My opinions are not based on
anything except my knowledge of the marine industry. As to E-Tech's phony
marketing plan...Sorry, but that is what it really is. Since no
manufacturer requires you to have your engine serviced by an authorized
dealer( except for a warranty repair)the hype from BRP is at best
misleading. As to who is saying what?....Try every BRP employee and dealer
at the Miami show. It was laughable when they would tell a potential buyer
"AND REMEMBER, WITH OUR ENGINE YOU DON'T NEED ANY MAINTENANCE TO SPEAK
OF." E-Tech's are just like every other product made. No better, no worse.
And just for the record, if I was looking for a 200 hp range outboard,
E-Tech would be my first choice. Not because of the phony hype, but
because it is the best alternative in that hp range.

--------------------
ELVIN
AVALONPROGROUP


posted February 23, 2006 08:35 PMFebruary 23, 2006 08:35 PM Profile
for tommays Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote
http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/E-Tec/E-TEC.Advantage/

i could have pour reading comprehension BUT when i read things like

quote:Not even gearcase lube

i would think it implies no maintenance is required and if there is any
they sure dont talk about it






- posted February 21, 2006 06:26 PMFebruary 21, 2006 06:26 PM Profile for
seahorse Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote

quote:Originally posted by ciolekr:
Second I just repowered with E-tecs and something is never said
about them and thats they eat spark plugs. Spark plugs go for ten
dollars a piece






Not at all Butch just making sure this stuff is findable when the E-Tecs
hit the same fan Ficht hit.

But hey kill file me if it bothers you :-)

K

No bother, K. Just a good laugh.

Butch
One of many with a great FICHT motor seven years old

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Trolling again, K?
B.
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

At hugely inflated prices?? no wonder they say just about anything to
sell them but wait till the season gets going I'll keep you up to date
with the results of running poorly atomised fuel, lean at power.

They say no dealer maintenance but then demand lots of maintenance by the
owner, any engine can say that????

What other new OBs ever demand only their dealer services???

Is it true they only sell if you pay (through the nose) their dealer to
rig??

How can it be they want thousands $$$$$ more in asking price than the
other brands?? when the engine is an old tech 2 stroke???

They should be cheaper given they have no track record, other than that
of Ficht upon which they're based??

No other brand demands you use their dealer for anything & to say no
"dealer" service is a deception, no engine has that if you chose to do it
yourself or have any marine place do it for you.

The old OMC dealers are still what they are & only the truly naive or
........... (tommed??) would fall for it anyway.


2/20/2006 8:35:00 PM Submitted by Brad from CA says you may not install
your E-TEC
That bothered me too, because i don't want ANYONE touching my engine OR
my boat. The last engine i bought, the dealer put in 4 bolts and i drove
it off. The evinrude dealer said he had to install the tach also, but i
told him that NO ONE EVER works on my boat but me. I designed my boat, i
built my boat, and no one touches it but me. he said that when the tach
arrived, he would call me and i would pick it up and install it and run
the harness back to the engine.

With the E-TEC the dealer has to completely install the engine in order
to 'register' it for warranty. The dealer also has to hook up a laptop to
program it for the kind of oil you will use. Three grades of oil are
available.


posted February 23, 2006 06:27 PMFebruary 23, 2006 06:27 PM Profile
for INTERNETOUTBOARDS Author's Homepage Edit/Delete Post
Reply With Quote You guy's crack me up. BillP, Sorry to burst your
bubble, but pointing out a flawed marketing plan is not bashing anything.
DJ, I thought I was pretty clear about EACH brand losing a point for one
thing or another. Go back and read my post again. My opinions are not
based on anything except my knowledge of the marine industry. As to
E-Tech's phony marketing plan...Sorry, but that is what it really is.
Since no manufacturer requires you to have your engine serviced by an
authorized dealer( except for a warranty repair)the hype from BRP is at
best misleading. As to who is saying what?....Try every BRP employee and
dealer at the Miami show. It was laughable when they would tell a
potential buyer "AND REMEMBER, WITH OUR ENGINE YOU DON'T NEED ANY
MAINTENANCE TO SPEAK OF." E-Tech's are just like every other product
made. No better, no worse. And just for the record, if I was looking for
a 200 hp range outboard, E-Tech would be my first choice. Not because of
the phony hype, but because it is the best alternative in that hp range.

--------------------
ELVIN
AVALONPROGROUP


posted February 23, 2006 08:35 PMFebruary 23, 2006 08:35 PM Profile
for tommays Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote
http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/E-Tec/E-TEC.Advantage/

i could have pour reading comprehension BUT when i read things like

quote:Not even gearcase lube

i would think it implies no maintenance is required and if there is any
they sure dont talk about it






- posted February 21, 2006 06:26 PMFebruary 21, 2006 06:26 PM Profile for
seahorse Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote

quote:Originally posted by ciolekr:
Second I just repowered with E-tecs and something is never said
about them and thats they eat spark plugs. Spark plugs go for ten
dollars a piece






Not at all Butch just making sure this stuff is findable when the E-Tecs
hit the same fan Ficht hit.

But hey kill file me if it bothers you :-)

K

The reason the ETec must be dealer rigged is that its not for everybpdy
to bleed the oil system and without that done right - Kaboom

The dealer also has to ensure the motor is programmed for the right
oil...

That the dealer has to do the maintenance is indeed a little disturbing
...

Matt

M wrote:
The reason the ETec must be dealer rigged is that its not for everybpdy
to bleed the oil system and without that done right - Kaboom

The dealer also has to ensure the motor is programmed for the right
oil...

That the dealer has to do the maintenance is indeed a little disturbing
..

Matt


They're not maintenance free at all, the average owner if they wanted to
buy (then fill:-)) a grease gun, do his/her own winterising, fuel system
treatment etc has always been able to with any OB & never put their
warranty at risk (unless it's something they did or didn't do that
actually caused the failure) but these things; they still "demand" this
service be carried out yet they purport to put the warranty at risk if
their dealer doesn't carry out other nominated work. I have been told if
a warranty requires a proprietary brand then they must provide it for
free?? is that correct??? These people have deception priors with ficht
which is not to be ignored.


I have no real issue with a dealer needing to be there for the
commissioning of a new engine, to ensure the things you mention, indeed
to some extent the big diesel manufacturers require the same (at no
cost). What is an issue is that the dealer doesn't need to do "just"
that, they want the entire rigging.

Their advertising deceptively infers less dealer but in fact it seems
the E-Tecs need more dealer, much more & mandatory if you want a warranty.

The other issue which I'll address in another thread is their "special"
oil, again only their dealer can set it up but then you're stuck with
$25/gal oil which when coupled with dealer only oil system services
means the costs of oiling these things may well exceed the oil costs for
a 4 stroke, yet they market on the basis of oil savings???

This is just more of the ripoff OMC dealers again, the same as we saw
with Ficht. Indeed how come we've never heard a word about this from the
sellers???? especially our own runaway william??? Seeming nice & genuine
is how they sucked people in last time when they were called ficht:-)

K.

They're not maintenance free at all, the average owner if they wanted to
buy (then fill:-)) a grease gun, do his/her own winterising, fuel system
treatment etc has always been able to with any OB & never put their
warranty at risk (unless it's something they did or didn't do that

Now I am confused ... I thought its:

- 3 year NO maintenance and then you change plugs, drive oil and
impeller. Are you SURE they require the dealer to do that or warranty
is byebyes???

- Wasnt the motor pretty much self winterizing in your driveway? What
happened to that?


actually caused the failure) but these things; they still "demand" this
service be carried out yet they purport to put the warranty at risk if
their dealer doesn't carry out other nominated work. I have been told if
a warranty requires a proprietary brand then they must provide it for
free?? is that correct??? These people have deception priors with ficht
which is not to be ignored.

IMO in the US if the manufacturer requires propietary products to be
used they have to supply them FREE. Thats US only


I have no real issue with a dealer needing to be there for the
commissioning of a new engine, to ensure the things you mention, indeed
to some extent the big diesel manufacturers require the same (at no
cost). What is an issue is that the dealer doesn't need to do "just"
that, they want the entire rigging.

Wouldnt be an issue for me as i wouldnt do it myself anyways .. for
some it could be an issue. I guess BRP wants to make sure all the
motors are setup properly so that they dont get bad press for motors
not running right due to setup errors.


Their advertising deceptively infers less dealer but in fact it seems
the E-Tecs need more dealer, much more & mandatory if you want a warranty.

Do you have a source for that? I have their catalog and DVD and it
talks about no service for 3 years and self winterizing ... what
exactly needs to be done after 3 years?

The other issue which I'll address in another thread is their "special"
oil, again only their dealer can set it up but then you're stuck with
$25/gal oil which when coupled with dealer only oil system services
means the costs of oiling these things may well exceed the oil costs for
a 4 stroke, yet they market on the basis of oil savings???

Actually I see that as a PLUS. You can run the ETec on Crap TCW3 oil
from the supermarket and it will be fine. IF you want to run less oil
you can have the motor programmed to run leaner on XD100 oil. So YOU
have the option.

With my optimax I must run Merc Liquid Gold.... Cost for oil Etec vs.
4 stroke will depend how much you run the motor ... under certain
situations you will save with the ETec. But since fuel is the main
cost IMO it hardly matters .


Matt

I hope you're tight. I recently ordered a new fishing boat and a 60 HP
E-Tec. Weight, trolling economy, stated emissions, etc., all played into
the decision as well as a 7-year warranty deal.

Ray

"M" wrote in message
oups.com...

They're not maintenance free at all, the average owner if they wanted to
buy (then fill:-)) a grease gun, do his/her own winterising, fuel system
treatment etc has always been able to with any OB & never put their
warranty at risk (unless it's something they did or didn't do that

Now I am confused ... I thought its:

- 3 year NO maintenance and then you change plugs, drive oil and
impeller. Are you SURE they require the dealer to do that or warranty
is byebyes???

- Wasnt the motor pretty much self winterizing in your driveway? What
happened to that?


actually caused the failure) but these things; they still "demand" this
service be carried out yet they purport to put the warranty at risk if
their dealer doesn't carry out other nominated work. I have been told if
a warranty requires a proprietary brand then they must provide it for
free?? is that correct??? These people have deception priors with ficht
which is not to be ignored.

IMO in the US if the manufacturer requires propietary products to be
used they have to supply them FREE. Thats US only


I have no real issue with a dealer needing to be there for the
commissioning of a new engine, to ensure the things you mention, indeed
to some extent the big diesel manufacturers require the same (at no
cost). What is an issue is that the dealer doesn't need to do "just"
that, they want the entire rigging.

Wouldnt be an issue for me as i wouldnt do it myself anyways .. for
some it could be an issue. I guess BRP wants to make sure all the
motors are setup properly so that they dont get bad press for motors
not running right due to setup errors.


Their advertising deceptively infers less dealer but in fact it seems
the E-Tecs need more dealer, much more & mandatory if you want a
warranty.

Do you have a source for that? I have their catalog and DVD and it
talks about no service for 3 years and self winterizing ... what
exactly needs to be done after 3 years?

The other issue which I'll address in another thread is their "special"
oil, again only their dealer can set it up but then you're stuck with
$25/gal oil which when coupled with dealer only oil system services
means the costs of oiling these things may well exceed the oil costs for
a 4 stroke, yet they market on the basis of oil savings???

Actually I see that as a PLUS. You can run the ETec on Crap TCW3 oil
from the supermarket and it will be fine. IF you want to run less oil
you can have the motor programmed to run leaner on XD100 oil. So YOU
have the option.

With my optimax I must run Merc Liquid Gold.... Cost for oil Etec vs.
4 stroke will depend how much you run the motor ... under certain
situations you will save with the ETec. But since fuel is the main
cost IMO it hardly matters .


Matt

RayB wrote:
I hope you're tight. I recently ordered a new fishing boat and a 60 HP
E-Tec. Weight, trolling economy, stated emissions, etc., all played into
the decision as well as a 7-year warranty deal.

Ray

"M" wrote in message
oups.com...
They're not maintenance free at all, the average owner if they wanted to
buy (then fill:-)) a grease gun, do his/her own winterising, fuel system
treatment etc has always been able to with any OB & never put their
warranty at risk (unless it's something they did or didn't do that
Now I am confused ... I thought its:

- 3 year NO maintenance and then you change plugs, drive oil and
impeller. Are you SURE they require the dealer to do that or warranty
is byebyes???

- Wasnt the motor pretty much self winterizing in your driveway? What
happened to that?


actually caused the failure) but these things; they still "demand" this
service be carried out yet they purport to put the warranty at risk if
their dealer doesn't carry out other nominated work. I have been told if
a warranty requires a proprietary brand then they must provide it for
free?? is that correct??? These people have deception priors with ficht
which is not to be ignored.
IMO in the US if the manufacturer requires propietary products to be
used they have to supply them FREE. Thats US only


I have no real issue with a dealer needing to be there for the
commissioning of a new engine, to ensure the things you mention, indeed
to some extent the big diesel manufacturers require the same (at no
cost). What is an issue is that the dealer doesn't need to do "just"
that, they want the entire rigging.
Wouldnt be an issue for me as i wouldnt do it myself anyways .. for
some it could be an issue. I guess BRP wants to make sure all the
motors are setup properly so that they dont get bad press for motors
not running right due to setup errors.


Their advertising deceptively infers less dealer but in fact it seems
the E-Tecs need more dealer, much more & mandatory if you want a
warranty.
Do you have a source for that? I have their catalog and DVD and it
talks about no service for 3 years and self winterizing ... what
exactly needs to be done after 3 years?

The other issue which I'll address in another thread is their "special"
oil, again only their dealer can set it up but then you're stuck with
$25/gal oil which when coupled with dealer only oil system services
means the costs of oiling these things may well exceed the oil costs for
a 4 stroke, yet they market on the basis of oil savings???
Actually I see that as a PLUS. You can run the ETec on Crap TCW3 oil
from the supermarket and it will be fine. IF you want to run less oil
you can have the motor programmed to run leaner on XD100 oil. So YOU
have the option.

With my optimax I must run Merc Liquid Gold.... Cost for oil Etec vs.
4 stroke will depend how much you run the motor ... under certain
situations you will save with the ETec. But since fuel is the main
cost IMO it hardly matters .


Matt



Ray,
Etec is unproven Tech. After 7 years it will fall apart. I am amazed
how the US companies can keep it working for 7 yrs, and then damn it
all, on the 8th year it will be worthless.

Such is life. ; )



--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

M wrote:
They're not maintenance free at all, the average owner if they wanted to
buy (then fill:-)) a grease gun, do his/her own winterising, fuel system
treatment etc has always been able to with any OB & never put their
warranty at risk (unless it's something they did or didn't do that


Now I am confused ... I thought its:

- 3 year NO maintenance and then you change plugs, drive oil and
impeller. Are you SURE they require the dealer to do that or warranty
is byebyes???

No that's not my understanding, my understand is that it still "requires
maintenance" in the first 3 years, just not "dealer" mandated
maintenance. That means the owners are expected to grease, winterise &
fuel care/manage, check leg/gearcase etc. The warranty part seems to
relate to servicing the oil system??? They appear to be saying ONLY
their dealer can do that or your warranty is at risk???? "If" that's
correct & please note the "if" because till we read a warranty & an
owner's manual we can't be sure, but "if" that's correct then that's a
big no no & and given OMC dealers Ficht priors a potentially very
expensive no no.

They advertise an engine at a hugely inflated price to begin with,
thousands more than the opposition, but fail to mention you can't have a
warranty unless "their" dealer fits it to the boat???? You can't
actually buy the engine for that inflated price anyway because the OMC
dealer will gouge you some more, lots more!!! to fit it!!

You demand things of me all the time Matt which I don't mind & I do try
but this is something you can verify for the NG & "if" it's correct then
we need to start tying runaway to a post. I'll gather the firewood you
can bring the matches, What?? he "forgot" to mention this stuff???

Hmmm I can see yet another runaway incident from william even before the
design kicks in:-)


- Wasnt the motor pretty much self winterizing in your driveway? What
happened to that?

All engines are pretty much self winterising Matt, the glycol in a bag
systems are all easy enough for 4 strokes but many owners chose to pay a
dealer to do it the long way & none of the OBs being raw water cooled
(except one, which has a proper closed system:-)) & self draining when
upright need much anyway. However again most owners just have the dealer
do the fogging greasing gearcase checking etc but suddenly E-Tec
advertises that their engines don't need "service" for 3 yrs!11 then add
"by the dealer"??? Well that applies to all brands of new engines so
what's the big deal?? Most owners prefer not to risk screwing up &
voiding their warranty, any warranty any brand if you screw up & say
blow the bushes out of the steering pin they won't cover that under any
warranty again nor should they, so most just let a dealer any dealer or
marine shop do it & carry the risk of a screwup.


actually caused the failure) but these things; they still "demand" this
service be carried out yet they purport to put the warranty at risk if
their dealer doesn't carry out other nominated work. I have been told if
a warranty requires a proprietary brand then they must provide it for
free?? is that correct??? These people have deception priors with ficht
which is not to be ignored.


IMO in the US if the manufacturer requires propietary products to be
used they have to supply them FREE. Thats US only

Well "if" (NB Again, please note the "IF", we need to check this
thoroughly!!) E-Tec demand ONLY their dealer rig the engine to the boat
& "maybe" service the oil system & they specify service of it during the
warranty period doesn't that mean in the US they need to do it for free???

It's clear like Ficht the dealers are in bed with the supplier on this
to the extent they'll say or do most anything. Remember in this NG those
same Ficht dealers denied any special deals indeed they just lied &
abused me down about their margins, after OMC rolled over the US court
declared they were demanding 30% agg kickbacks to keep flogging them!!!



I have no real issue with a dealer needing to be there for the
commissioning of a new engine, to ensure the things you mention, indeed
to some extent the big diesel manufacturers require the same (at no
cost). What is an issue is that the dealer doesn't need to do "just"
that, they want the entire rigging.


Wouldnt be an issue for me as i wouldnt do it myself anyways .. for
some it could be an issue. I guess BRP wants to make sure all the
motors are setup properly so that they dont get bad press for motors
not running right due to setup errors.

That applies to all new motors & if a rigger screws up they pay, no
warranty covers screwups from others nor should it, but this is
different they "demand" only "their" dealer do it, i.e. you get ripped off



Their advertising deceptively infers less dealer but in fact it seems
the E-Tecs need more dealer, much more & mandatory if you want a warranty.


Do you have a source for that? I have their catalog and DVD and it
talks about no service for 3 years and self winterizing ... what
exactly needs to be done after 3 years?

As above there's "talk" they demand only their dealer services the oil
system??? Please let me say again I'm not saying this as a "fact" but
giving you a heads up that it "might" be right so check check check. I
have no proof & claim none, but if you were to "prove" this incorrect
I'd be grateful because then at least we'd know. Of course if you find
it's true then................... what say you about their advertising???



The other issue which I'll address in another thread is their "special"
oil, again only their dealer can set it up but then you're stuck with
$25/gal oil which when coupled with dealer only oil system services
means the costs of oiling these things may well exceed the oil costs for
a 4 stroke, yet they market on the basis of oil savings???


Actually I see that as a PLUS. You can run the ETec on Crap TCW3 oil
from the supermarket and it will be fine. IF you want to run less oil
you can have the motor programmed to run leaner on XD100 oil. So YOU
have the option.

Again it's no money saved their "special dealer only" oil sees to that
pricewise, but again it's the ONLY their dealer can do it & only their
dealer can supply the 7 herbs & spices................. at an OMC dealer
price???


With my optimax I must run Merc Liquid Gold.... Cost for oil Etec vs.
4 stroke will depend how much you run the motor ... under certain
situations you will save with the ETec. But since fuel is the main
cost IMO it hardly matters .

You decide to use Merc oil & that's OK however at any time you can
change your mind without affecting anything including any warranty you
have left,, but the E-Tecs once "their" dealer changes you over you're
well captive of the philistines.

K




Matt