RayB wrote:
At my age if I can get 7 years out of anything I'm generally pretty
satisfied!! (So far the triple by-pass has lasted almost a year!)

Ray

Well done Ray!!! don't let the *******s get you down:-) Hope you are
fine as you should be.

Hope you come back here & tell me how wrong I was about E-Tec when the
worlds cars all use it in............... what another 20 years, keep up
the good work.

K



"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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RayB wrote:

I hope you're tight. I recently ordered a new fishing boat and a 60 HP
E-Tec. Weight, trolling economy, stated emissions, etc., all played into
the decision as well as a 7-year warranty deal.

Ray

"M" wrote in message
egroups.com...

They're not maintenance free at all, the average owner if they wanted
to
buy (then fill:-)) a grease gun, do his/her own winterising, fuel
system
treatment etc has always been able to with any OB & never put their
warranty at risk (unless it's something they did or didn't do that

Now I am confused ... I thought its:

- 3 year NO maintenance and then you change plugs, drive oil and
impeller. Are you SURE they require the dealer to do that or warranty
is byebyes???

- Wasnt the motor pretty much self winterizing in your driveway? What
happened to that?



actually caused the failure) but these things; they still "demand" this
service be carried out yet they purport to put the warranty at risk if
their dealer doesn't carry out other nominated work. I have been told
if
a warranty requires a proprietary brand then they must provide it for
free?? is that correct??? These people have deception priors with ficht
which is not to be ignored.

IMO in the US if the manufacturer requires propietary products to be
used they have to supply them FREE. Thats US only



I have no real issue with a dealer needing to be there for the
commissioning of a new engine, to ensure the things you mention, indeed
to some extent the big diesel manufacturers require the same (at no
cost). What is an issue is that the dealer doesn't need to do "just"
that, they want the entire rigging.

Wouldnt be an issue for me as i wouldnt do it myself anyways .. for
some it could be an issue. I guess BRP wants to make sure all the
motors are setup properly so that they dont get bad press for motors
not running right due to setup errors.



Their advertising deceptively infers less dealer but in fact it seems
the E-Tecs need more dealer, much more & mandatory if you want a
warranty.

Do you have a source for that? I have their catalog and DVD and it
talks about no service for 3 years and self winterizing ... what
exactly needs to be done after 3 years?


The other issue which I'll address in another thread is their "special"
oil, again only their dealer can set it up but then you're stuck with
$25/gal oil which when coupled with dealer only oil system services
means the costs of oiling these things may well exceed the oil costs
for
a 4 stroke, yet they market on the basis of oil savings???

Actually I see that as a PLUS. You can run the ETec on Crap TCW3 oil
from the supermarket and it will be fine. IF you want to run less oil
you can have the motor programmed to run leaner on XD100 oil. So YOU
have the option.

With my optimax I must run Merc Liquid Gold.... Cost for oil Etec vs.
4 stroke will depend how much you run the motor ... under certain
situations you will save with the ETec. But since fuel is the main
cost IMO it hardly matters .


Matt



Ray,
Etec is unproven Tech. After 7 years it will fall apart. I am amazed how
the US companies can keep it working for 7 yrs, and then damn it all, on
the 8th year it will be worthless.

Such is life. ; )



--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."