Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

No, the state, being the people, have the right to limit the numbe of wives
in a family.

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Most likely if they are in the US they will be allowed that religious
activity.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

Interesting, the right of freedom of association might appear to come into
play. But, your chosen group is promoting and involved in an illegal
activity as defined by the people.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:06:05 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:

What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are
you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Why? Then, do they not have the right to limit the number of children?

They do, think of China.

No, the state, being the people, have the right to limit the numbe of
wives
in a family.

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Most likely if they are in the US they will be allowed that religious
activity.


Interesting position. Is that not an illegal activity? One may not use
medical marijuana, but may use religious marijuana?

Some native americans are allowed to use Peote because it is part of their
religious services. So, using some weed, like the Rastafarans, shouldn't be
any different. But, their might be a some deference place on Native
Americans rather than transplants.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

Interesting, the right of freedom of association might appear to come into
play. But, your chosen group is promoting and involved in an illegal
activity as defined by the people.

If the people(majority) have deemed an activity legal, then it is ok
for other people(minority) to engage in the formation of laws that
overturn the will of the majority?

Yes, they, the minority, may engage in the formation of laws that overturn
the will of the majority but, the majority will not, in most cases, let it
pass. This is where judicial "activism" rears its ugly head. The
legislature(s) is the arbitor of legal and not legal. The judiciary is the
arbitor of constitutional or not constitutional. Legal does not equate to
fair.


Your answers seem contradictory.

Where?

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

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New Florida town would restrict abortion
Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan
has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed
according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get
an abortion, pornography or birth control.

He's not trying to convert anybody living there. He's taking empty
tomato fields, building a university, and building a town...and
telling everybody who buys there the rules in advance.

Just consider it a big Home Owner's Association.

And you're about 3 days late on this "news".



Well, I hope it turns out as badly as his crappy pizza.
Property in that town is actually going to be very much in demand. You
used to be able to buy property out there for $5-10k per acre. Now
it's $150k+...and you're in the middle of nowhere.

Jeb just attended a ribbon cutting ceremony there two weeks ago.

Right now, students at Ave Maria attend classes at a temporary campus
in Naples set up about 5 or 6 miles from me. We use several of the
students as babysitters...and almost every one of them is part of a
family with 10-12 siblings. I doubt the "no condom" and "no abortion"
rules would scare any of those families away.




My problem with this kind of mind control crap is that it is the same
sort of stupidity extant in much of the Moslem world.


That's bull****.

They're not stoning people for transgressions. They're not trying to
assimilate a bunch of people who have been living there their whole
lives. As gfretwell pointed out, it's a 5000 acre gated community...and
everybody knows the rules going in.



This isn't a
Christian Iran, even though some fundies would like to turn it into one.
Another problem is the desire of these religious idiots to try to spread
their control.

Best thing that could happen? After an investment of a few hundred
million dollars, a natural disaster such as a tornado or a hurricane
flattens the place. An act of god that sends a strong message.

There's that wonderful Harry Humanity shining through again.




Hey...it has nothing to do with me. IF the Creator decides the community
is unworthy, he'll level it. Isn't that what fundies believe?

Not just "fundies" believe such things. Anybody who is a member of
virtually *any* religion, can point to historical references in whatever
holy book they believe in.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:59:41 GMT in rec.boats, Calif Bill penned the
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It is the choice of people buying there. Not like an Ayatollah saying
everybody that is already here gets a new rulebook.


That was my take, at first reading. However, upon closer examination,
they apparently intend to effectively secede from the state and US and
re-write laws to their liking. I'm also troubled by the specter of
deed restrictions (beyond commercial land), which will surely limit
the freedom of use one might expect from land ownership. When this
endeavor fails, and it surely will, it will likely have an adverse
impact on FL county and state residents for many years to come.

There are homeowner associations all over Florida that enact rules that on
the surface seem to tread on people's Constitutional rights. I hate HOA's,
and no longer live in one. But the fact is, they almost 100% successful
when defending themselves in court.

I don't see how Ave Maria will be any different.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

There are laws limiting the number of wives, the use of marijuana, and sex
with young boys. So you couldn't set up a community that violates those
laws.

But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:16:15 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are
you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

There are laws limiting the number of wives, the use of marijuana, and sex
with young boys. So you couldn't set up a community that violates those
laws.


According to Bert, you are wrong.

What? You are mistaking covenants with laws.

But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).

Point is, then, can you lease me a shop and decree what I may or may
not sell? Before you step into it, the courts have ruled that you
can't, as long as my wares are legal....

Before you step too far into this... realize that there are good
christian fundamentalists that are ready to take over the state of SC
and secede from the USA to force their will on all of the citizens of
SC.... see: http://christianexodus.org

I don't see that these catholic zealots in FL are any different.

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Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:35:49 GMT in rec.boats, Calif Bill penned the
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They get what they pay for. As to the state, they will get the property
taxes. Can not secede, and there are already lots of religious owned
properties with deed restrictions in the US. Martin Luther Towers in San
Francisco has been there at least 40+ years and is a Lutheran Church owned
building. You buy a condo unit, and I think it reverts to the church on
your death.


A reversion like that is a far cry from restricting what you can and
cannot sell, think, or do. What if, and this is likely, the town votes
against a FL state or Federal law (evil), due to religious convictions
(good)?


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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
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They can restrict selling. Probably not thinking, but anybody buying there
is already doing a group think. As to state law, trumps covenants. Still
lots of deed restrictions on paper referring to selling to certain
minorities. Not worth anything, but they are still on the deeds.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).




As far as contraceptives are concerned, I think some states *do* have laws
that required pharmacies to carry "all normally prescribed medications" or
some wording to that effect. I don't know if condoms fall into that
category, but Wal-Mart recently got in trouble for not having the morning
after pill available in some of their stores.

RCE

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:16:15 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are
you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

There are laws limiting the number of wives, the use of marijuana, and sex
with young boys. So you couldn't set up a community that violates those
laws.


According to Bert, you are wrong.

But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).

Point is, then, can you lease me a shop and decree what I may or may
not sell? Before you step into it, the courts have ruled that you
can't, as long as my wares are legal....

Before you step too far into this... realize that there are good
christian fundamentalists that are ready to take over the state of SC
and secede from the USA to force their will on all of the citizens of
SC.... see: http://christianexodus.org

I don't see that these catholic zealots in FL are any different.

I do. The group you talk about is trying to assimilate a bunch of people
who are already living there. Ave Maria is yet to be built. Anybody who
lives there or works there knows the rules going in.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).




As far as contraceptives are concerned, I think some states *do* have laws
that required pharmacies to carry "all normally prescribed medications" or
some wording to that effect. I don't know if condoms fall into that
category, but Wal-Mart recently got in trouble for not having the morning
after pill available in some of their stores.


Actually, Monaghan was on some talk shows on Friday, and he specifically
stated that selling contraceptives would not be "outlawed". This was
another figment of the imagination of the liberal news media.