Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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New Florida town would restrict abortion
Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has
his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to
strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion,
pornography or birth control.


He's not trying to convert anybody living there. He's taking empty tomato
fields, building a university, and building a town...and telling everybody
who buys there the rules in advance.

Just consider it a big Home Owner's Association.

And you're about 3 days late on this "news".

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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New Florida town would restrict abortion
Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has
his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to
strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion,
pornography or birth control.


He's not trying to convert anybody living there. He's taking empty
tomato fields, building a university, and building a town...and telling
everybody who buys there the rules in advance.

Just consider it a big Home Owner's Association.

And you're about 3 days late on this "news".




Well, I hope it turns out as badly as his crappy pizza.

Property in that town is actually going to be very much in demand. You used
to be able to buy property out there for $5-10k per acre. Now it's
$150k+...and you're in the middle of nowhere.

Jeb just attended a ribbon cutting ceremony there two weeks ago.

Right now, students at Ave Maria attend classes at a temporary campus in
Naples set up about 5 or 6 miles from me. We use several of the students as
babysitters...and almost every one of them is part of a family with 10-12
siblings. I doubt the "no condom" and "no abortion" rules would scare any
of those families away.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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New Florida town would restrict abortion
Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan
has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed
according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an
abortion, pornography or birth control.

He's not trying to convert anybody living there. He's taking empty
tomato fields, building a university, and building a town...and telling
everybody who buys there the rules in advance.

Just consider it a big Home Owner's Association.

And you're about 3 days late on this "news".



Well, I hope it turns out as badly as his crappy pizza.

Property in that town is actually going to be very much in demand. You
used to be able to buy property out there for $5-10k per acre. Now it's
$150k+...and you're in the middle of nowhere.

Jeb just attended a ribbon cutting ceremony there two weeks ago.

Right now, students at Ave Maria attend classes at a temporary campus in
Naples set up about 5 or 6 miles from me. We use several of the students
as babysitters...and almost every one of them is part of a family with
10-12 siblings. I doubt the "no condom" and "no abortion" rules would
scare any of those families away.





My problem with this kind of mind control crap is that it is the same sort
of stupidity extant in much of the Moslem world.


That's bull****.

They're not stoning people for transgressions. They're not trying to
assimilate a bunch of people who have been living there their whole lives.
As gfretwell pointed out, it's a 5000 acre gated community...and everybody
knows the rules going in.



This isn't a
Christian Iran, even though some fundies would like to turn it into one.
Another problem is the desire of these religious idiots to try to spread
their control.

Best thing that could happen? After an investment of a few hundred million
dollars, a natural disaster such as a tornado or a hurricane flattens the
place. An act of god that sends a strong message.

There's that wonderful Harry Humanity shining through again.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
New Florida town would restrict abortion
Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan
has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed
according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an
abortion, pornography or birth control.

He's not trying to convert anybody living there. He's taking empty
tomato fields, building a university, and building a town...and telling
everybody who buys there the rules in advance.

Just consider it a big Home Owner's Association.

And you're about 3 days late on this "news".



Well, I hope it turns out as badly as his crappy pizza.

Property in that town is actually going to be very much in demand. You
used to be able to buy property out there for $5-10k per acre. Now it's
$150k+...and you're in the middle of nowhere.

Jeb just attended a ribbon cutting ceremony there two weeks ago.

Right now, students at Ave Maria attend classes at a temporary campus in
Naples set up about 5 or 6 miles from me. We use several of the students
as babysitters...and almost every one of them is part of a family with
10-12 siblings. I doubt the "no condom" and "no abortion" rules would
scare any of those families away.





My problem with this kind of mind control crap is that it is the same sort
of stupidity extant in much of the Moslem world. This isn't a Christian
Iran, even though some fundies would like to turn it into one.
Another problem is the desire of these religious idiots to try to spread
their control.

Best thing that could happen? After an investment of a few hundred million
dollars, a natural disaster such as a tornado or a hurricane flattens the
place. An act of god that sends a strong message.


It is the choice of people buying there. Not like an Ayatollah saying
everybody that is already here gets a new rulebook.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:40:44 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


My problem with this kind of mind control crap is that it is the same sort
of stupidity extant in much of the Moslem world. This isn't a Christian
Iran, even though some fundies would like to turn it into one. Another
problem is the desire of these religious idiots to try to spread their
control.

Geez Harry, this country has had thousands of religious enclaves. This is
nothing new. More power to them, as the cards are stacked against them.
Most of these enclaves collapse under their figurative inbreeding.



Best thing that could happen? After an investment of a few hundred million
dollars, a natural disaster such as a tornado or a hurricane flattens the
place. An act of god that sends a strong message.

Zounds, shades of Pat Robertson.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:59:41 GMT in rec.boats, Calif Bill penned the
following thoughts:
It is the choice of people buying there. Not like an Ayatollah saying
everybody that is already here gets a new rulebook.


That was my take, at first reading. However, upon closer examination,
they apparently intend to effectively secede from the state and US and
re-write laws to their liking. I'm also troubled by the specter of
deed restrictions (beyond commercial land), which will surely limit
the freedom of use one might expect from land ownership. When this
endeavor fails, and it surely will, it will likely have an adverse
impact on FL county and state residents for many years to come.




In a non-religious state, religion is voluntary, not mandatory. However
Monaghan sets up his Jesusville, if it tries to enforce code based on
religious beliefs, its headed for a fall. I hope a few "ringers" buy
property there and create endless migraines for him.

If you don't like it don't live there!

Are you against the State of Isreal? There is nothing wrong with a nation
state that wants to be based upon the tenets of a religion. The problem
comes when they nation state starts to interfere with other nations that
don't want to be governed by those religious tenets.

The place for this kind of nonsense is Iran, or some other hellhole in the
Arab Muslim world, where people who disagree feel free to shoot it out or
blow each other up.

And, you should wish the same upon Isreal, as evidence the Jews disrupting
the Christian services in Nazerath the other day. Do you abhor this type of
violence too or do you support it.

Tell you what would be a laugh...getting the names and addresses of some
of the holier-than-thou's that move in there, and sending them gift boxes
of rubbers, dildos and porn movies from Doc Johnson. Then what? No more
deliveries from UPS? Fine...send the next group out via FEDEX.

What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

I find this especially annoying because we have some really terrific
religious people in our neck of the woods who manage to peacefully coexist
amongst us without trying to impose their beliefs on everyone and without
trying to engage in a land grab so they build up their "promised land."
They're the Amish.

As long as they live in very small enclaves and keep their mouths shut they
are ok?

I encourage you and your extreme left wing brothers to congregate in small
enclaves and keep your mouths shut so that you can live by the example set
by your friends the Amish.


See what happens when you sell really bad pizza to Americans?

I agree that Dominos pizza is the worst of all take out pizza. Thank God we
have Pizza Hut and Pappa John's serving our area.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I know this because I grew up in New Haven where the best pizza in the
world is still made at Pepe's, and I've had Pepe's pizza hundreds of
times, and try to get there whenever I'm in the area.



Hey, another blast from the past. Pepe's. Probably the most popular pizza
joint on the east coast.

RCE

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I know this because I grew up in New Haven where the best pizza in the
world is still made at Pepe's, and I've had Pepe's pizza hundreds of
times, and try to get there whenever I'm in the area.



Hey, another blast from the past. Pepe's. Probably the most popular
pizza joint on the east coast.

Popular does not equate to best.

Startbucks is the most popular coffee but it tastes like dishwater.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:59:41 GMT in rec.boats, Calif Bill penned the
following thoughts:

It is the choice of people buying there. Not like an Ayatollah saying
everybody that is already here gets a new rulebook.


That was my take, at first reading. However, upon closer examination,
they apparently intend to effectively secede from the state and US and
re-write laws to their liking. I'm also troubled by the specter of
deed restrictions (beyond commercial land), which will surely limit
the freedom of use one might expect from land ownership. When this
endeavor fails, and it surely will, it will likely have an adverse
impact on FL county and state residents for many years to come.


--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats



They get what they pay for. As to the state, they will get the property
taxes. Can not secede, and there are already lots of religious owned
properties with deed restrictions in the US. Martin Luther Towers in San
Francisco has been there at least 40+ years and is a Lutheran Church owned
building. You buy a condo unit, and I think it reverts to the church on
your death.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:59:41 GMT in rec.boats, Calif Bill penned the
following thoughts:
It is the choice of people buying there. Not like an Ayatollah saying
everybody that is already here gets a new rulebook.

That was my take, at first reading. However, upon closer examination,
they apparently intend to effectively secede from the state and US and
re-write laws to their liking. I'm also troubled by the specter of
deed restrictions (beyond commercial land), which will surely limit
the freedom of use one might expect from land ownership. When this
endeavor fails, and it surely will, it will likely have an adverse
impact on FL county and state residents for many years to come.


--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats



They get what they pay for. As to the state, they will get the property
taxes. Can not secede, and there are already lots of religious owned
properties with deed restrictions in the US. Martin Luther Towers in San
Francisco has been there at least 40+ years and is a Lutheran Church
owned building. You buy a condo unit, and I think it reverts to the
church on your death.
I suspect there will be some interesting legal challenges. It is one thing
for a church to own investment property, and quite another for it to
enforce a "code of morality" in a large community that derives anybenevit
from the state. We're not talkinb about homeowner covenants that say you
can't paint your front door bright orange.

Yes, we are talking covenants. The land owner is placing covenants on the
use of the property. What is the difference between this and Columbia, MD,
Reston, VA or Montgomery Village, MD?

Seems to me some crazed vigilante-superpatriot-jesusfreak group tried to
do this in some town in the upper midwest and it didn't turn out well.

Heck, there are nation states that have done this and a couple of examples
are Isreal and Iran. What's the difference between the two?

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

No, the state, being the people, have the right to limit the numbe of wives
in a family.

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Most likely if they are in the US they will be allowed that religious
activity.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

Interesting, the right of freedom of association might appear to come into
play. But, your chosen group is promoting and involved in an illegal
activity as defined by the people.

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:06:05 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:

What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are
you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Why? Then, do they not have the right to limit the number of children?

They do, think of China.

No, the state, being the people, have the right to limit the numbe of
wives
in a family.

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Most likely if they are in the US they will be allowed that religious
activity.


Interesting position. Is that not an illegal activity? One may not use
medical marijuana, but may use religious marijuana?

Some native americans are allowed to use Peote because it is part of their
religious services. So, using some weed, like the Rastafarans, shouldn't be
any different. But, their might be a some deference place on Native
Americans rather than transplants.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

Interesting, the right of freedom of association might appear to come into
play. But, your chosen group is promoting and involved in an illegal
activity as defined by the people.

If the people(majority) have deemed an activity legal, then it is ok
for other people(minority) to engage in the formation of laws that
overturn the will of the majority?

Yes, they, the minority, may engage in the formation of laws that overturn
the will of the majority but, the majority will not, in most cases, let it
pass. This is where judicial "activism" rears its ugly head. The
legislature(s) is the arbitor of legal and not legal. The judiciary is the
arbitor of constitutional or not constitutional. Legal does not equate to
fair.


Your answers seem contradictory.

Where?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
New Florida town would restrict abortion
Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan
has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed
according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get
an abortion, pornography or birth control.

He's not trying to convert anybody living there. He's taking empty
tomato fields, building a university, and building a town...and
telling everybody who buys there the rules in advance.

Just consider it a big Home Owner's Association.

And you're about 3 days late on this "news".



Well, I hope it turns out as badly as his crappy pizza.
Property in that town is actually going to be very much in demand. You
used to be able to buy property out there for $5-10k per acre. Now
it's $150k+...and you're in the middle of nowhere.

Jeb just attended a ribbon cutting ceremony there two weeks ago.

Right now, students at Ave Maria attend classes at a temporary campus
in Naples set up about 5 or 6 miles from me. We use several of the
students as babysitters...and almost every one of them is part of a
family with 10-12 siblings. I doubt the "no condom" and "no abortion"
rules would scare any of those families away.




My problem with this kind of mind control crap is that it is the same
sort of stupidity extant in much of the Moslem world.


That's bull****.

They're not stoning people for transgressions. They're not trying to
assimilate a bunch of people who have been living there their whole
lives. As gfretwell pointed out, it's a 5000 acre gated community...and
everybody knows the rules going in.



This isn't a
Christian Iran, even though some fundies would like to turn it into one.
Another problem is the desire of these religious idiots to try to spread
their control.

Best thing that could happen? After an investment of a few hundred
million dollars, a natural disaster such as a tornado or a hurricane
flattens the place. An act of god that sends a strong message.

There's that wonderful Harry Humanity shining through again.




Hey...it has nothing to do with me. IF the Creator decides the community
is unworthy, he'll level it. Isn't that what fundies believe?

Not just "fundies" believe such things. Anybody who is a member of
virtually *any* religion, can point to historical references in whatever
holy book they believe in.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:59:41 GMT in rec.boats, Calif Bill penned the
following thoughts:

It is the choice of people buying there. Not like an Ayatollah saying
everybody that is already here gets a new rulebook.


That was my take, at first reading. However, upon closer examination,
they apparently intend to effectively secede from the state and US and
re-write laws to their liking. I'm also troubled by the specter of
deed restrictions (beyond commercial land), which will surely limit
the freedom of use one might expect from land ownership. When this
endeavor fails, and it surely will, it will likely have an adverse
impact on FL county and state residents for many years to come.

There are homeowner associations all over Florida that enact rules that on
the surface seem to tread on people's Constitutional rights. I hate HOA's,
and no longer live in one. But the fact is, they almost 100% successful
when defending themselves in court.

I don't see how Ave Maria will be any different.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

There are laws limiting the number of wives, the use of marijuana, and sex
with young boys. So you couldn't set up a community that violates those
laws.

But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:16:15 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are
you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

There are laws limiting the number of wives, the use of marijuana, and sex
with young boys. So you couldn't set up a community that violates those
laws.


According to Bert, you are wrong.

What? You are mistaking covenants with laws.

But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).

Point is, then, can you lease me a shop and decree what I may or may
not sell? Before you step into it, the courts have ruled that you
can't, as long as my wares are legal....

Before you step too far into this... realize that there are good
christian fundamentalists that are ready to take over the state of SC
and secede from the USA to force their will on all of the citizens of
SC.... see: http://christianexodus.org

I don't see that these catholic zealots in FL are any different.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:35:49 GMT in rec.boats, Calif Bill penned the
following thoughts:



They get what they pay for. As to the state, they will get the property
taxes. Can not secede, and there are already lots of religious owned
properties with deed restrictions in the US. Martin Luther Towers in San
Francisco has been there at least 40+ years and is a Lutheran Church owned
building. You buy a condo unit, and I think it reverts to the church on
your death.


A reversion like that is a far cry from restricting what you can and
cannot sell, think, or do. What if, and this is likely, the town votes
against a FL state or Federal law (evil), due to religious convictions
(good)?


--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats



They can restrict selling. Probably not thinking, but anybody buying there
is already doing a group think. As to state law, trumps covenants. Still
lots of deed restrictions on paper referring to selling to certain
minorities. Not worth anything, but they are still on the deeds.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
. net...


But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).




As far as contraceptives are concerned, I think some states *do* have laws
that required pharmacies to carry "all normally prescribed medications" or
some wording to that effect. I don't know if condoms fall into that
category, but Wal-Mart recently got in trouble for not having the morning
after pill available in some of their stores.

RCE

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:16:15 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



What is wrong with people chosing a way of life and living it. Why are
you
so afraid of people of faith and principle.

Let's look at the other side of the coin.

Does the state have a right to limit the number of wives in a Mormon
family?

Does a Ethiopian Zionist Coptic have the right to use Marijuana, as
his religion teaches.

Can a group of people create their own community and define it's own
laws and morals.... a group like NAMBLA?

There are laws limiting the number of wives, the use of marijuana, and sex
with young boys. So you couldn't set up a community that violates those
laws.


According to Bert, you are wrong.

But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).

Point is, then, can you lease me a shop and decree what I may or may
not sell? Before you step into it, the courts have ruled that you
can't, as long as my wares are legal....

Before you step too far into this... realize that there are good
christian fundamentalists that are ready to take over the state of SC
and secede from the USA to force their will on all of the citizens of
SC.... see: http://christianexodus.org

I don't see that these catholic zealots in FL are any different.

I do. The group you talk about is trying to assimilate a bunch of people
who are already living there. Ave Maria is yet to be built. Anybody who
lives there or works there knows the rules going in.

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
. net...


But there are no laws saying that a pharmacy has to be able to sell
condoms...nor that a bookstore has to be able to sell pornography. So
Monaghan is violating no laws (unlike your examples above).




As far as contraceptives are concerned, I think some states *do* have laws
that required pharmacies to carry "all normally prescribed medications" or
some wording to that effect. I don't know if condoms fall into that
category, but Wal-Mart recently got in trouble for not having the morning
after pill available in some of their stores.


Actually, Monaghan was on some talk shows on Friday, and he specifically
stated that selling contraceptives would not be "outlawed". This was
another figment of the imagination of the liberal news media.

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 09:43:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

See what happens when you sell really bad pizza to Americans?



I agree that Dominos pizza is the worst of all take out pizza. Thank God we
have Pizza Hut and Pappa John's serving our area.


Well. I'm not impressed with the product of any of the carry-out pizza
chains, but I'll agree that Pizza Hut is better than Dominos. I thought
Papa Johns no better than Dominos, though it tasted different.

There are better frozen pizzas at the supermarket than any of the chains
offer.

The best pizza in the DC area is at Luciano's Restaurant in the Tysons
Corners mall, and at Mama Lucia's in Dunkirk, MD. Both are full menu sit
down Italian restaurants with carry out.

I know this because I grew up in New Haven where the best pizza in the
world is still made at Pepe's, and I've had Pepe's pizza hundreds of
times, and try to get there whenever I'm in the area.


Ledo's, College Park. Best in the area.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 23:24:46 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:



According to Bert, you are wrong.

What? You are mistaking covenants with laws.


In the relevant post, I said nothing about covenants. This is about
the US Constitution and laws, not deed restrictions.

Deed restrictions are based upon English Common Law and are addressed in the
US Constitution and laws.

You said, "Some native americans are allowed to use Peote because it
is part of their religious services. So, using some weed, like the
Rastafarans, shouldn't be any different. But, their might be a some
deference place on Native Americans rather than transplants."

NOYB said, "There are laws limiting the number of wives, the use of
marijuana, and sex with young boys. So you couldn't set up a
community that violates those laws."

If you guys want to take the same position, do you want some time to
get on the same side of the fence?

You are confusing the freedom to practice your religion with enacting and
enforcing laws. One is a right granted by the US Constitution and the other
is a choice by the people.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 09:43:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
See what happens when you sell really bad pizza to Americans?

I agree that Dominos pizza is the worst of all take out pizza. Thank
God we have Pizza Hut and Pappa John's serving our area.

Well. I'm not impressed with the product of any of the carry-out pizza
chains, but I'll agree that Pizza Hut is better than Dominos. I thought
Papa Johns no better than Dominos, though it tasted different.

There are better frozen pizzas at the supermarket than any of the chains
offer.

The best pizza in the DC area is at Luciano's Restaurant in the Tysons
Corners mall, and at Mama Lucia's in Dunkirk, MD. Both are full menu sit
down Italian restaurants with carry out.

I know this because I grew up in New Haven where the best pizza in the
world is still made at Pepe's, and I've had Pepe's pizza hundreds of
times, and try to get there whenever I'm in the area.


Ledo's, College Park. Best in the area.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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I kept hearing about Ledos, so we tried it. It's fourth rate.

Ledo's is cheap pizza and is in the same league as McDonalds food.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:09:16 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:

Before you step too far into this... realize that there are good
christian fundamentalists that are ready to take over the state of SC
and secede from the USA to force their will on all of the citizens of
SC.... see: http://christianexodus.org

I don't see that these catholic zealots in FL are any different.

I do. The group you talk about is trying to assimilate a bunch of people
who are already living there. Ave Maria is yet to be built. Anybody who
lives there or works there knows the rules going in.

That is a terribly weak and specious argument.

This is merely an effort by well heeled religious zealots to try to
restrict the constitutional rights of the citizens of Naples and
Collier County. Those citizens, already property owners, do NOT as you
assert ".....know the rules going in." They will likely pay a large
price, in terms of taxation, to defend themselves against these
newcomers in order to protect their constitutional rights.

After having breakfast with some Catholic friends, to my surprise, I
find that there are a LOT of Catholics that don't see it your way.

I ate diner with some Catholics last night, slept with one of them, my wife,
and had breakfast with some Catholics this morning. They disagree with your
view of this issue.

Gene, please tell us what is really bothering you about Ave Maria and other
similar communities?

Caveat emptor.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:30:00 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 09:43:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
See what happens when you sell really bad pizza to Americans?

I agree that Dominos pizza is the worst of all take out pizza. Thank
God we have Pizza Hut and Pappa John's serving our area.

Well. I'm not impressed with the product of any of the carry-out pizza
chains, but I'll agree that Pizza Hut is better than Dominos. I thought
Papa Johns no better than Dominos, though it tasted different.

There are better frozen pizzas at the supermarket than any of the chains
offer.

The best pizza in the DC area is at Luciano's Restaurant in the Tysons
Corners mall, and at Mama Lucia's in Dunkirk, MD. Both are full menu sit
down Italian restaurants with carry out.

I know this because I grew up in New Haven where the best pizza in the
world is still made at Pepe's, and I've had Pepe's pizza hundreds of
times, and try to get there whenever I'm in the area.


Ledo's, College Park. Best in the area.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

I kept hearing about Ledos, so we tried it. It's fourth rate.

Ledo's is cheap pizza and is in the same league as McDonalds food.


Shows what you know!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:38:56 -0500 in rec.boats, Bert Robbins penned
the following thoughts:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:09:16 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:

Before you step too far into this... realize that there are good
christian fundamentalists that are ready to take over the state of SC
and secede from the USA to force their will on all of the citizens of
SC.... see: http://christianexodus.org

I don't see that these catholic zealots in FL are any different.

I do. The group you talk about is trying to assimilate a bunch of
people
who are already living there. Ave Maria is yet to be built. Anybody
who
lives there or works there knows the rules going in.

That is a terribly weak and specious argument.

This is merely an effort by well heeled religious zealots to try to
restrict the constitutional rights of the citizens of Naples and
Collier County. Those citizens, already property owners, do NOT as you
assert ".....know the rules going in." They will likely pay a large
price, in terms of taxation, to defend themselves against these
newcomers in order to protect their constitutional rights.

After having breakfast with some Catholic friends, to my surprise, I
find that there are a LOT of Catholics that don't see it your way.

I ate diner with some Catholics last night, slept with one of them, my
wife,
and had breakfast with some Catholics this morning. They disagree with
your
view of this issue.

Gene, please tell us what is really bothering you about Ave Maria and
other
similar communities?

Caveat emptor.


Simply? Separation of church and state.

There is no "seperation of church and state." There is the establishment
clause, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Do you understand that
establishment and seperation are two different words.

I know separation of church and state is in the constitution and is
*supposed to be a law, but gosh, man, there is always "a choice by the
people," right?

Sorry, there is no seperation of church and state in the US Constitution.

Caveat Emptor? For a Catholic, your Latin sucks. I'm neither buying
your line of argument nor do I think those people that have drunk the
good Mr. Monaghan's kool-aid are particularly careful of their
merchants.

In this country you have the freedom to live their or not to live there. Why
do you want to deny others of their freedom to make that choice?

Your position is now clear. Roger and out.

I support individual freedom, which this country was founded upon. But, you
don't want other to exercise their God given rights under the constitution.
If they weren't God given then who or what gave them their inalienable
rights? The State didn't exist prior to it's constitution so the state
couldn't have given you those rights.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:09:16 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:

Before you step too far into this... realize that there are good
christian fundamentalists that are ready to take over the state of SC
and secede from the USA to force their will on all of the citizens of
SC.... see: http://christianexodus.org

I don't see that these catholic zealots in FL are any different.

I do. The group you talk about is trying to assimilate a bunch of people
who are already living there. Ave Maria is yet to be built. Anybody who
lives there or works there knows the rules going in.

That is a terribly weak and specious argument.

This is merely an effort by well heeled religious zealots to try to
restrict the constitutional rights of the citizens of Naples and
Collier County. Those citizens, already property owners, do NOT as you
assert ".....know the rules going in." They will likely pay a large
price, in terms of taxation, to defend themselves against these
newcomers in order to protect their constitutional rights.

After having breakfast with some Catholic friends, to my surprise, I
find that there are a LOT of Catholics that don't see it your way.

I go to church with a lot of Catholics who love the idea of a Catholic
University and Catholic "town" so close to Naples.

My kids go to a Catholic elementary school that has some affiliations with
Ave Maria and Monaghan.

And "my" Catholic friends live in this region of Florida...not in the
Carolinas...so their opinion is more relevant.

Ayatollah Monaghan sets up shop near Naples, Florida
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:


I support individual freedom, which this country was founded upon. But,
you don't want other to exercise their God given rights under the
constitution. If they weren't God given then who or what gave them their
inalienable rights? The State didn't exist prior to it's constitution so
the state couldn't have given you those rights.

Circular.



......and pretzel-like. Even worse.