"Skipper" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:

mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot
any
of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw
what
it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No
thanks at shooting it.

Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an
eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd
crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one
off...a well deserved mod, IMO.

Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west.

What! Dodge City and Wichita wur NOT in the old west? Slap yur sides
pawdna!

http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html

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Skipper

Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. And my
parents are from the Mid-west, and mom grew up a mile from the Wyoming
border. Further west than Kansas. Still have a large range of mountains to
cross after Kansas to reach the real west.

And from Topeka, KS to Richmond, VA it is 1128 miles, while the other way
going west it is 1798 miles to San Francisco.

Calif Bill wrote:

http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html

Was the western part of the US, before they went really west.

California gained statehood in 1850, making them part of western
history. One must remember that their part of western history was the
dudified part (need we mention San Fransisco today). Yes, I know Levis
were invented there. But the REAL west where men were men was in Texas,
injun territory, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, and Kansas. Reach for
leather, pahdnah!

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Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:

http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html

Was the western part of the US, before they went really west.

California gained statehood in 1850, making them part of western
history. One must remember that their part of western history was the
dudified part (need we mention San Fransisco today). Yes, I know Levis
were invented there. But the REAL west where men were men was in Texas,
injun territory, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, and Kansas. Reach for
leather, pahdnah!

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Skipper

Last indian war in the US was in California. And the gold rush brought a
bunch of pansies west? Other than white perverts Kansas biggest danger was
rabid skunks. OK Corral was a battle between a few wackos. White ones at
that. My great grandmother homesteaded in Nebraska. Lived in a Sodie for
while. The indians would stop to look in and sometimes come in to squat and
warm themselves at the fire. Most lived in peace.

Calif Bill wrote:
"Skipper" wrote in message
...

Calif Bill wrote:


mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot
any
of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw
what
it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No
thanks at shooting it.

Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an
eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd
crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one
off...a well deserved mod, IMO.

Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west.

What! Dodge City and Wichita wur NOT in the old west? Slap yur sides
pawdna!

http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html

--
Skipper


Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. And my
parents are from the Mid-west, and mom grew up a mile from the Wyoming
border. Further west than Kansas. Still have a large range of mountains to
cross after Kansas to reach the real west.

And from Topeka, KS to Richmond, VA it is 1128 miles, while the other way
going west it is 1798 miles to San Francisco.



So you tryin' to saddle the East with Skippy's home town?
Them's fightin' words!

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

Skipper wrote:
The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most
powerful handgun in the world.

http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc

--
Skipper

How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns?
If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here...

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html

or here...

http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm

I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful
handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so
I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both
use the same ammo.

Steve

The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a
burn
of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant,
not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the
bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30
Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it
alive with the muzzle blast.

Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time.
Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose
some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think
since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns
quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all
that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's
because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge
adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech
plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable
barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended
for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.)

At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the
power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm

Steve

Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot 38
special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter.

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

Skipper wrote:
The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most
powerful handgun in the world.

http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc

--
Skipper

How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns?
If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here...

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html

or here...

http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm

I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful
handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so
I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both
use the same ammo.

Steve

The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a
burn
of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant,
not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the
bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30
Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it
alive with the muzzle blast.

Funny, after I posted that link I finally read it. Spec'd barrel length
is 15.125". I suspect that's wrong though since it's the same as the
overall length and you have to allow some for the rotating breech behind
the barrel, which isn't that much but it's something. I guess it
depends on how barrel length is specified but if it were up to me, I
wouldn't include the breech just like I wouldn't include the receiver
when specifying barrel length of a repeating rifle.

Steve

My Ruger had an about 9" barrel.

"Don White" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Skipper" wrote in message
...

Calif Bill wrote:


mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot
any
of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw
what
it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No
thanks at shooting it.

Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an
eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd
crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one
off...a well deserved mod, IMO.

Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west.

What! Dodge City and Wichita wur NOT in the old west? Slap yur sides
pawdna!

http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html

--
Skipper


Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. And my
parents are from the Mid-west, and mom grew up a mile from the Wyoming
border. Further west than Kansas. Still have a large range of mountains
to cross after Kansas to reach the real west.

And from Topeka, KS to Richmond, VA it is 1128 miles, while the other way
going west it is 1798 miles to San Francisco.

So you tryin' to saddle the East with Skippy's home town?
Them's fightin' words!

Closer to the east than the west.

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:51:18 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
m...
[...]
The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a
burn
of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a
propellant,
not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as
the
bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30
Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it
alive with the muzzle blast.

Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time.
Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose
some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think
since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns
quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all
that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's
because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge
adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech
plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable
barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended
for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.)

At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the
power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm

Steve

Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot 38
special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter.

With the muzzle brake, the kickback is even less than a 38 special. And
with the exception of maybe 7.62x39, 30-06 is about the cheapest rifle
calibre you can get when you buy it in big surplus lots. It's not much
more than 38 special, sometimes less.

Steve

My 30-06 is a rifle. But since I rarely shoot anymore, I do not really pay
attention to cost. I used to reload, so cost was not a big consideration.

Calif Bill wrote:
"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


Skipper wrote:

The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most
powerful handgun in the world.

http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc

--
Skipper

How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns?
If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here...

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html

or here...

http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm

I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful
handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so
I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both
use the same ammo.

Steve

The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a
burn
of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant,
not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the
bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30
Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it
alive with the muzzle blast.

Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time.
Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose
some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think
since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns
quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all
that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's
because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge
adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech
plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable
barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended
for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.)

At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the
power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm

Steve


Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot 38
special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter.



On a few occasions I've loaded my .357 with five .38's and one, final,
..357 for an unsuspecting friend at the range with interesting results.

Dan

Dan Krueger wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


Skipper wrote:

The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the
most
powerful handgun in the world.

http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc

--
Skipper


How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about
handguns?
If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here...

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html


or here...

http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm


I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn
powerful
handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for
it so
I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both
use the same ammo.

Steve


The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for
a burn
of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a
propellant,
not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder
as the
bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30
Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it
alive with the muzzle blast.


Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time.
Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose
some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think
since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns
quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all
that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's
because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge
adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech
plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable
barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended
for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.)

At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the
power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm


Steve



Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot
38 special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter.


On a few occasions I've loaded my .357 with five .38's and one, final,
.357 for an unsuspecting friend at the range with interesting results.

Dan