"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

... eventually we got Bill to disassemble a Ficht injector & clock it up &
he was honest enough to come back & admit he'd been had).


Karen,

"You GOT me to dissassemble a FICHT injector ??????" You must be off your
rocker with that comment.


About the comment on the FICHT patents. Even the engineer Marcus Bell would
email me laughing that Karen from Australia could not even fathom that fuel
circulated thru the injector, even after many "lessons" to you trying to
make you see the light.

You are a looney.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Billgran wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

... eventually we got Bill to disassemble a Ficht injector & clock it up &
he was honest enough to come back & admit he'd been had).


Karen,

"You GOT me to dissassemble a FICHT injector ??????" You must be off your
rocker with that comment.


About the comment on the FICHT patents. Even the engineer Marcus Bell would
email me laughing that Karen from Australia could not even fathom that fuel
circulated thru the injector, even after many "lessons" to you trying to
make you see the light.

You are a looney.

Bill Grannis
service manager



Bill,
As someone who does have detailed knowledge of Ficht with a larger than
average data base, have you found Ficht or Etec to have more than the
average problems? Is there any truth to the problem that some of Ficht
engines had problems related to trolling for extended periods?



--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...


Bill,
As someone who does have detailed knowledge of Ficht with a larger than
average data base, have you found Ficht or Etec to have more than the
average problems? Is there any truth to the problem that some of Ficht
engines had problems related to trolling for extended periods?




Reggie,

About 8 years ago, in FICHT's 2nd year of production, the 1998 models of the
150 and 175hp had problems. I did not see these with my customers as we
setup the boats and ran them for an hour before delivering them. We did the
intital breakin and double checked for the correct prop. I did see problem
motors from other dealers that sent their customers to the dealership for
which I work. The '98 and '99 150-175 series had factory teams going around
the country installing upgrade kits and redesigned cylinder heads. In some
applications, the motors were troublesome, they were the ones with the 25"
shaft. The boat magazines wrote many articles on the problems and what the
factory was doing for fixes. At the same time in 1999, the 90-115 V4 FICHTS
and the 200-225 V6 FICHTS did NOT have the problems or bad reputation of the
150-175 hp versions. In 2000 the FICHT was redesigned and called FICHT Ram,
and that system is still being produced today. The 2000 and later FICHTS are
really good motors, that got even better when Bombardier took over the 2002
and later production.

There are months of reading about these if you want to spend your time
using Google, Yahoo, boating forums, etc. The problematic 150-175 motors
cast the bad name on all FICHTS and with misinformation that goes around the
Internet and the ignorance of the motors by some folks, 8 years later FICHT
has a bad connotation, something like Bayliner still having their stigma.

Do your research and be sure to check the credentials of anyone when you
read their posts. Almost every "nay-sayer" has never owned, worked on, been
around, or even has a grasp of the engine.

About the E-TECs, they are super motors and are proving themselves on crab
boats, commercial fishing boats, law enforcement, SeaTow, etc. We have
almost no warranty problems and much fewer problems than we do with
Yamaha's.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Billgran wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Bill,
As someone who does have detailed knowledge of Ficht with a larger than
average data base, have you found Ficht or Etec to have more than the
average problems? Is there any truth to the problem that some of Ficht
engines had problems related to trolling for extended periods?




Reggie,

About 8 years ago, in FICHT's 2nd year of production, the 1998 models of the
150 and 175hp had problems. I did not see these with my customers as we
setup the boats and ran them for an hour before delivering them. We did the
intital breakin and double checked for the correct prop. I did see problem
motors from other dealers that sent their customers to the dealership for
which I work. The '98 and '99 150-175 series had factory teams going around
the country installing upgrade kits and redesigned cylinder heads. In some
applications, the motors were troublesome, they were the ones with the 25"
shaft. The boat magazines wrote many articles on the problems and what the
factory was doing for fixes. At the same time in 1999, the 90-115 V4 FICHTS
and the 200-225 V6 FICHTS did NOT have the problems or bad reputation of the
150-175 hp versions. In 2000 the FICHT was redesigned and called FICHT Ram,
and that system is still being produced today. The 2000 and later FICHTS are
really good motors, that got even better when Bombardier took over the 2002
and later production.

There are months of reading about these if you want to spend your time
using Google, Yahoo, boating forums, etc. The problematic 150-175 motors
cast the bad name on all FICHTS and with misinformation that goes around the
Internet and the ignorance of the motors by some folks, 8 years later FICHT
has a bad connotation, something like Bayliner still having their stigma.

Do your research and be sure to check the credentials of anyone when you
read their posts. Almost every "nay-sayer" has never owned, worked on, been
around, or even has a grasp of the engine.

About the E-TECs, they are super motors and are proving themselves on crab
boats, commercial fishing boats, law enforcement, SeaTow, etc. We have
almost no warranty problems and much fewer problems than we do with
Yamaha's.

Bill Grannis
service manager



Bill,
Thanks for the detailed information.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Tom,

You asked about my FICHT. It is a 115 OMC motor. Hangs on a 16 Whaler
Dauntless.

Butch
"Billgran" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...


Bill,
As someone who does have detailed knowledge of Ficht with a larger than
average data base, have you found Ficht or Etec to have more than the
average problems? Is there any truth to the problem that some of Ficht
engines had problems related to trolling for extended periods?




Reggie,

About 8 years ago, in FICHT's 2nd year of production, the 1998 models of
the 150 and 175hp had problems. I did not see these with my customers as
we setup the boats and ran them for an hour before delivering them. We did
the intital breakin and double checked for the correct prop. I did see
problem motors from other dealers that sent their customers to the
dealership for which I work. The '98 and '99 150-175 series had factory
teams going around the country installing upgrade kits and redesigned
cylinder heads. In some applications, the motors were troublesome, they
were the ones with the 25" shaft. The boat magazines wrote many articles
on the problems and what the factory was doing for fixes. At the same time
in 1999, the 90-115 V4 FICHTS and the 200-225 V6 FICHTS did NOT have the
problems or bad reputation of the 150-175 hp versions. In 2000 the FICHT
was redesigned and called FICHT Ram, and that system is still being
produced today. The 2000 and later FICHTS are really good motors, that got
even better when Bombardier took over the 2002 and later production.

There are months of reading about these if you want to spend your time
using Google, Yahoo, boating forums, etc. The problematic 150-175 motors
cast the bad name on all FICHTS and with misinformation that goes around
the Internet and the ignorance of the motors by some folks, 8 years later
FICHT has a bad connotation, something like Bayliner still having their
stigma.

Do your research and be sure to check the credentials of anyone when you
read their posts. Almost every "nay-sayer" has never owned, worked on,
been around, or even has a grasp of the engine.

About the E-TECs, they are super motors and are proving themselves on crab
boats, commercial fishing boats, law enforcement, SeaTow, etc. We have
almost no warranty problems and much fewer problems than we do with
Yamaha's.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Billgran wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...


... eventually we got Bill to disassemble a Ficht injector & clock it up &
he was honest enough to come back & admit he'd been had).



Karen,

"You GOT me to dissassemble a FICHT injector ??????" You must be off your
rocker with that comment.


About the comment on the FICHT patents. Even the engineer Marcus Bell would
email me laughing that Karen from Australia could not even fathom that fuel
circulated thru the injector, even after many "lessons" to you trying to
make you see the light.

You are a looney.

Bill Grannis
service manager



Too late Bill you need to do some searching just as I posted the
supporting evidence that confirmed you ran away when OMC rolled into the
ditch which you had also denied here, you're not related to Krause are
you??? I mean you stuff even goes beyond a dealer!!!!

As for your Marcus claims I'm Ok with that it was a fair dinkum debate &
we were serious (glad you can't see some of the stuff I said about him
behind his back:-), but I still love him). Remember Marcus was on your
side & as it turned out he was also wrong about it???? I mean look what
happened when you deceived enough people to use them!!!! Unlike you he
at least had the brains & good grace to see & discuss the other side. At
that stage the Fichts were falling like flies, so he had not much
choice:-) By the time the rot was full on he'd departed I'd suggest
because you & the other dealer bully boys were doing as much as you
could to shut the open discussion down. (still sad about that) No doubt
you'll re-run that again but as then I'll just say what I say till it
happens again.


As I said I'm more than happy to stand on my record, these days of
course everybody comes out with how & why the DFIs fail but so far none
absolutely none predate my posts here.

I guess if I'm loony you should try it!!!!! We (that's me & my blokes
before you go mad) got the Ficht defects exactly right & if you'd or OMC
or anyone worth a bean, had listened they wouldn't have bought your
defective engines & saved themselves much heartache. Gee OMC could still
be here today!!!

So dismiss me again this time I don't care, but I'll crow again when
this latest escapade goes the same way & you run away & hide again. Like
then you think technical things can be resolved with a vote:-). It's
like Tom's fuel consumption dreams (religion??), you can all vote anyway
you want the outcome will not change at all just because you wish it to
or in your case so you can take a few more punters for money:-) You're
even running the same BS lines you ran with Ficht saying how many people
are using them with never a word about the failures??? Nothing changes
but hey that applies to lean at power with poor atomisation also:-)

Wake up Bill I know you're totally untrained but it's just rocket
science, you can't run lean mixtures in a closed chamber. Everyone has
wanted to since the 1930s but just like rockets the hardest part is
making sure the mixture is right & remains so even as the conditions
(pressures) change.

K

Karen,
For me the fallacy in your argument is that over the years we have seen
numerous people make posts in rec.boats and the other boating NGs
whenever they feel they have been slighted by a manufacturer. I can not
remember one complaint about Ficht and Etec, even with the problems they
had initially.

I would still look at a 4 stroke and compare the weight, gas consumption
and sound levels between the 4 stroke and Etec, but I can not find
anything in the last few years that validates your premise.
--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Reggie Smithers wrote:

Karen,
For me the fallacy in your argument is that over the years we have seen
numerous people make posts in rec.boats and the other boating NGs
whenever they feel they have been slighted by a manufacturer. I can not
remember one complaint about Ficht and Etec, even with the problems they
had initially.

I would still look at a 4 stroke and compare the weight, gas consumption
and sound levels between the 4 stroke and Etec, but I can not find
anything in the last few years that validates your premise.

Honestly Reggie there have been heaps here in this NG, at the time there
were even Ficht specific boards, damn in texas apparently they were
putting up bill boards (how appropriate!!) saying Ficht sucks!! (don't
cross the good ol' boys) but you don't seem motivated to find them, you
claimed you couldn't find any failed E-Tecs so in 2 minutes I rustled up
pages of them for you, but you just ignored them. Same story with Matt
he claims to want to know but then .............. doesn't.

I know you want me to spoon feed you but it's OK I don't have anything
to prove, however note this is a re-run of Ficht using Ficht & you don't
even take the idiots to task!!!! What you think they'll be your
friends?? believe me when it happens again they'll dump you & run away
as they did last time, with your money also if you're silly enough.

What say you of the E-tec, 11gph @ 35mph??? from the king of the OT
posts, or when Del posts the actual news you sit back & let the world's
biggest non boating nuff nuff liar Krause come out with the wrong boat
story!!!;-) Damn they said that exact same thing about Ficht!!! I
promise you:-) when they had worn out the "it's the oil", "it's the
fuel", "it's the owner", they then said "it's the boat!!":-) Did you
like the fuel BS'ter's rejoinder?? "bull" Honestly this place is a hoot,
again thanks to all.



K

K. Smith wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Karen,
For me the fallacy in your argument is that over the years we have
seen numerous people make posts in rec.boats and the other boating NGs
whenever they feel they have been slighted by a manufacturer. I can
not remember one complaint about Ficht and Etec, even with the
problems they had initially.

I would still look at a 4 stroke and compare the weight, gas consumption
and sound levels between the 4 stroke and Etec, but I can not find
anything in the last few years that validates your premise.

Honestly Reggie there have been heaps here in this NG, at the time there
were even Ficht specific boards, damn in texas apparently they were
putting up bill boards (how appropriate!!) saying Ficht sucks!! (don't
cross the good ol' boys) but you don't seem motivated to find them, you
claimed you couldn't find any failed E-Tecs so in 2 minutes I rustled up
pages of them for you, but you just ignored them. Same story with Matt
he claims to want to know but then .............. doesn't.

I know you want me to spoon feed you but it's OK I don't have anything
to prove, however note this is a re-run of Ficht using Ficht & you don't
even take the idiots to task!!!! What you think they'll be your
friends?? believe me when it happens again they'll dump you & run away
as they did last time, with your money also if you're silly enough.

What say you of the E-tec, 11gph @ 35mph??? from the king of the OT
posts, or when Del posts the actual news you sit back & let the world's
biggest non boating nuff nuff liar Krause come out with the wrong boat
story!!!;-) Damn they said that exact same thing about Ficht!!! I
promise you:-) when they had worn out the "it's the oil", "it's the
fuel", "it's the owner", they then said "it's the boat!!":-) Did you
like the fuel BS'ter's rejoinder?? "bull" Honestly this place is a hoot,
again thanks to all.



K
Karen,
I can find problems related to the 1998-2000 model years. I can not
find any on the newer models. As far as "making friends", I really
don't care if someone likes me or not, but I am not interested in
getting into a ****ing contest with anyone, since it does nothing to
further boating discussions. While some people might prefer to respond
to your posts with flames, I have always kept the discussion on topic.

Since these forums discussing the problems with the 2001-2005 Ficht/Etec
problems are readily available, can you point me to a few of them? You
should be able to find a few much quicker than it takes you to type your
average post.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Reggie Smithers wrote:


Karen,
For me the fallacy in your argument is that over the years we have
seen numerous people make posts in rec.boats and the other boating
NGs whenever they feel they have been slighted by a manufacturer. I
can not remember one complaint about Ficht and Etec, even with the
problems they had initially.

I would still look at a 4 stroke and compare the weight, gas consumption
and sound levels between the 4 stroke and Etec, but I can not find
anything in the last few years that validates your premise.


Honestly Reggie there have been heaps here in this NG, at the time
there were even Ficht specific boards, damn in texas apparently they
were putting up bill boards (how appropriate!!) saying Ficht sucks!!
(don't cross the good ol' boys) but you don't seem motivated to find
them, you claimed you couldn't find any failed E-Tecs so in 2 minutes
I rustled up pages of them for you, but you just ignored them. Same
story with Matt he claims to want to know but then ..............
doesn't.

I know you want me to spoon feed you but it's OK I don't have anything
to prove, however note this is a re-run of Ficht using Ficht & you
don't even take the idiots to task!!!! What you think they'll be your
friends?? believe me when it happens again they'll dump you & run away
as they did last time, with your money also if you're silly enough.

What say you of the E-tec, 11gph @ 35mph??? from the king of the OT
posts, or when Del posts the actual news you sit back & let the
world's biggest non boating nuff nuff liar Krause come out with the
wrong boat story!!!;-) Damn they said that exact same thing about
Ficht!!! I promise you:-) when they had worn out the "it's the oil",
"it's the fuel", "it's the owner", they then said "it's the boat!!":-)
Did you like the fuel BS'ter's rejoinder?? "bull" Honestly this place
is a hoot, again thanks to all.



K

Karen,
I can find problems related to the 1998-2000 model years. I can not
find any on the newer models. As far as "making friends", I really
don't care if someone likes me or not, but I am not interested in
getting into a ****ing contest with anyone, since it does nothing to
further boating discussions. While some people might prefer to respond
to your posts with flames, I have always kept the discussion on topic.

Since these forums discussing the problems with the 2001-2005 Ficht/Etec
problems are readily available, can you point me to a few of them? You
should be able to find a few much quicker than it takes you to type your
average post.


Reggie I accept you're genuine & that's fine but there were no Fichts
from 2001 other than the ones dumped on the unsustecting at give away
prices. Despite the BS about E-Tecs been marketed for 3 yrs that's just
more of the same dealer BS as I suspect you know.

Your last season is the only time they have actually started to market
AND deliver quantities of E-Tec & given that fact the failures being
reported even just in the examples I pasted or linked for you, confirms
to me you or anyone can & should have their own opinion of course, that
this is exactly as I saw with Ficht MK1; as then I say the same will
apply, way too high a failure rate because of lean at power, poor
atomisation, for a loopy injector, hopelessly too low injection pressure
& oiling that is just not even close to being safe.

Note I don't say every one will fail just as not every single aero
engine that is habitually run lean by zealous owners/renters will, but
enough will fail that it's not worth the risk.

I will post more examples as & when I think they will support my cause,
which is to be in this open forum commenting on & saying what I think
about boating related issues.

When I post things please disagree with your reasons for doing so, but
if it's just more of the rah rah we love E-Tec stuff or dealer groupie
hate Karen stuff them I can't really help.

Be aware Bill will never admit to any failures or shortcomings, remember
he was claiming right up to the bitter end of OMC that everything was
fine with Ficht & people should keep buying, even when people were in
this NG with horrendous problems & his advice was usually in essence
"take if to a franchise dealer" why????because it transpired later that
they were on a 30% kickback to keep flogging them!!!!

Why is an over grown whipper snipper motor more expensive than a proper
4 stroke OB of same HP? or even a medium sized car??? because I'd
suggest the only way they could get the dealers to sell this crap again
was to convince them they'd get agg. kickbacks so huge they'd recoup
their losses when OMC rolled over. So feed a dealer if you want but be
careful these are wild feral animals & will have you as a snack the
moment you start to trust them.

K