On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:20:04 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Nice explanation Chuck.

The problem is, as you state, the lingering feelings about Bayliner, which
may then have an effect on resale.

Tom Fournier (Editor, The Marine Blue Book) wrote on 7/9/97:

“FACT: Bayliners retain a higher percentage of their purchase price
than do most other brands who compete in their size/price range.”

--
Skipper


I see Snipper is in dredge mode again, or is it still.

Poor Fournier...he must rue the day he ever ran into Snipper.

another troll
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:27:11 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Tom Fournier (Editor, The Marine Blue Book) wrote on 7/9/97: “FACT:
Bayliners retain a higher percentage of their purchase price than do most
other brands who compete in their size/price range.” --

9 year old data. How enlightening.

It wasn't accurate way back then, of course.

Accurate facts 'n data have never been your strong suit, Krause.

hooked
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:14:05 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.

heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.

Chrysler recovered?

Wonder if Dodge transmissions are better now?
I've seen some great deals on Caravan mini-vans lately....roughly the
same price that I paid for my new 1995 Plymouth Voyager way back.
Knock on wood...my three speed auto has been very reliable over
125,000 km.


My wife really likes the PT Cruiser.
The PT Cruiser is a very nice looking car. It seems to be very popular
with teens and woman, sort of like the new VW Bug. When was the last
time you saw a man driving one of the New VW Bugs?

Today. It had "Geek Squad" on the side.

Go for a ride in a PT Cruiser. I believe it's a Neon with a different body.
It rides like a piece of junk.

But they are kinda cute, especially tlhe convertibles.
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:20:04 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Nice explanation Chuck.

The problem is, as you state, the lingering feelings about Bayliner,
which
may then have an effect on resale.

Tom Fournier (Editor, The Marine Blue Book) wrote on 7/9/97:

"FACT: Bayliners retain a higher percentage of their purchase price
than do most other brands who compete in their size/price range."

--
Skipper


I see Snipper is in dredge mode again, or is it still.

Poor Fournier...he must rue the day he ever ran into Snipper.

another troll
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John H

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This new mission of yours is not at all flattering for you. You can do
better to contribute to this NG John.

On 3 Feb 2006 06:23:18 -0800, wrote:


Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different, but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks, or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport


My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are just
about average now.

Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

Your inflammatory comments and use of bad language does nothing for
your integrity. May I suggest you take the tone of the rest of the
group?

Thanks!
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:57:43 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different, but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks, or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport


My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are just
about average now.

Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.



Bert, you'd be very welcomed in a.politics. Why not take your crap over
there.
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wrote in message
oups.com...

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner
comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different,
but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless
attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks,
or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport


My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything
to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were
more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are
better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are
just
about average now.

Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

Your inflammatory comments and use of bad language does nothing for
your integrity. May I suggest you take the tone of the rest of the
group?

Kevin, you may suggest whatever you want. I will do what I want when I want!

"Bryan" wrote in message
. net...

"Dene" wrote in message
. ..

My two bits. I'd rather put my trust in a company that is trying hard
vs.
a
company that is resting on it's laurels. SeaRay comes to mind, in that
respect.


Ouch!

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport

Don't mean to pinch. Sea Ray's are fine boats but I don't believe they are
the best bang for the buck.

-Greg

"Dene" wrote in message
. ..

"Bryan" wrote in message
. net...

"Dene" wrote in message
. ..

My two bits. I'd rather put my trust in a company that is trying hard
vs.
a
company that is resting on it's laurels. SeaRay comes to mind, in that
respect.


Ouch!

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport

Don't mean to pinch. Sea Ray's are fine boats but I don't believe they
are
the best bang for the buck.

-Greg



Pinch away. Right or wrong, my boat means time on the water with my kids
and you can't put a price on that!

The most common misconception about the PT Cruiser is that it's built
on the Neon chasis. It is not. The original prototype displayed in
car shows was built on a Neon chasis, but when it went in to production
they developed a new chasis (actually, a unibody).
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._April/ai_6516...


The GT has a nice tight suspension, anti-lock brakes, traction control,
and a powerful 215 HP turbo charged engine which will leave the
Forrester in the dust. And it's not just a bolt-on turbo. the engine
is beefed up where needed, with oil sprayers and intercooler. It will
out accelerate a a 1993 Jaguar XJS Coupe, a 1989 Porsche 944 and a 1967
Ford V8 Mustang.

I don't know that it would be good for towing boats since it's only
rated at 1,000 lb for towing. But If you are towing less that 1,000
lb, I would think the GT would do a good job because it has a hefty 245
ft-lbs of torque. For comparison, a 6 cyl. 4.0 liter Ford Ranger (it's
biggest engine) has 207 hp and 238 ft-lb of torque.


Although it's 8 inches shorter than a Nissan Sentra (169 vs 177
inches),
"Its 121.5 cubic feet of interior volume is comparable to that of large
cars such as the Mercedes-Benz S-Class or Lincoln Town Car."
http://www.automotive.com/reviews/12...iser/interior/


The maximum cargo capacity of 64.2 cu. ft. is greater than some SUVs,
such as the Chevy Blazer (60.6 CF) Mitsubishi Outlander (60.3 CF),
Saturn Vue (63.8 CF), Suzuki Grand Vitara (50.2 CF).

Plenty of room for cargo. You can fit a load of 8 foot long 2X4s in it
and still close the hatch.

Weak points of the PT Cruiser: turning radius and gas mileage.