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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner
comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different,
but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless
attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks,
or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport


My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything
to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were
more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are
better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are
just
about average now.

Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

Your inflammatory comments and use of bad language does nothing for
your integrity. May I suggest you take the tone of the rest of the
group?


I agree. Come on Bert, drop it already.

P. Fritz wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.
heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.
Chrysler recovered?
Wonder if Dodge transmissions are better now?
I've seen some great deals on Caravan mini-vans lately....roughly the
same price that I paid for my new 1995 Plymouth Voyager way back.
Knock on wood...my three speed auto has been very reliable over 125,000
km.

My wife really likes the PT Cruiser.
The PT Cruiser is a very nice looking car. It seems to be very popular
with teens and woman, sort of like the new VW Bug. When was the last time
you saw a man driving one of the New VW Bugs?

Unless he is less than 5'4" how would you fit in one ;-)



--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************



That would be my concern with the PT Cruiser, they do seem very tiny.
The VW Bug seems to have more room, it is just way to "cute" for my taste.
--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I like full-size GM and Ford pick-me-ups, I like the new 'vettes, I like
the Caddy STS, and I think I like the looks of the new Chrysler 300 sedan.
That's about it for US vehicles.

Check out the Chrysler 300 with the new, bored 6.something liter hemi.
425 hp.

RCE

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I like full-size GM and Ford pick-me-ups, I like the new 'vettes, I like
the Caddy STS, and I think I like the looks of the new Chrysler 300
sedan. That's about it for US vehicles.

Check out the Chrysler 300 with the new, bored 6.something liter hemi.
425 hp.


It's certainly a nice car, and more reasonably priced than the Cadillac
STS-V. But if money were no object, and I were buying an American car:

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/cadillac_sts-v.asp

Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.


heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.


Chrysler recovered?


Wonder if Dodge transmissions are better now?
I've seen some great deals on Caravan mini-vans lately....roughly the
same price that I paid for my new 1995 Plymouth Voyager way back.
Knock on wood...my three speed auto has been very reliable over
125,000 km.



My wife really likes the PT Cruiser.


Too small and only has a 4 cylinder for me. I need a six cylinder to tow
my sailboat safely.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I like full-size GM and Ford pick-me-ups, I like the new 'vettes, I like
the Caddy STS, and I think I like the looks of the new Chrysler 300
sedan. That's about it for US vehicles.

Check out the Chrysler 300 with the new, bored 6.something liter hemi.
425 hp.


It's certainly a nice car, and more reasonably priced than the Cadillac
STS-V. But if money were no object, and I were buying an American car:

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/cadillac_sts-v.asp


Big time problems being reported by disappointed buyers of this car.
Investigate before you buy.

RCE

Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.

heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get
past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.

Chrysler recovered?

Wonder if Dodge transmissions are better now?
I've seen some great deals on Caravan mini-vans lately....roughly
the same price that I paid for my new 1995 Plymouth Voyager way back.
Knock on wood...my three speed auto has been very reliable over
125,000 km.


My wife really likes the PT Cruiser.

The PT Cruiser is a very nice looking car. It seems to be very
popular with teens and woman, sort of like the new VW Bug. When was
the last time you saw a man driving one of the New VW Bugs?



Yeah, my wife also likes the new VW bugs. Must be part of female genetic
coding. My only problem with the PT Cruiser is that it is a Chrysler
product and therefore, in my mind, trash.

I like full-size GM and Ford pick-me-ups, I like the new 'vettes, I like
the Caddy STS, and I think I like the looks of the new Chrysler 300
sedan. That's about it for US vehicles.


If I pick out a new vehicle in the near future, I'm starting to favour
the new upsized 2006 Toyota Rav 4 with the 6 cylinder engine.
Supposed to tow 3500 lbs...so lots of excess capacity for my 1800-2000
lb package. Locally, costs $ 31k CDN for base model with auto & 6 cyl.
http://www.toyota.com/rav4/?s_van=GM_HOME_FLASH_RAV4

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner
comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different,
but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless
attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks,
or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport

My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything
to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were
more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are
better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are
just
about average now.
Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

Your inflammatory comments and use of bad language does nothing for
your integrity. May I suggest you take the tone of the rest of the
group?

Bassy,
I agree, most people have gone out of their way to keep the tone civil and
polite. Hopefully, this will continue and people will ignore the
inflammatory comments of others.

--
Reggie

Hear! Hear! Or is it, Here! Here! Or maybe, Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

"Dene" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message

Nice explanation Chuck.

The problem is, as you state, the lingering feelings about Bayliner,
which
may then have an effect on resale. For that reason some folks continue
to
steer clear of them especially when considering new boats.

Reality vs. perception. Sounds like Bayliner has a problem another
company
has.....Kaiser Permanente. As a health insurance broker, all I have to do
is say the name and I get an immediate reaction....love em or hate em.
Negative reputation was earned 15 years ago when they drew the bottom of
the
barrell, physician-wise. Since then, they've turned it around, drawing
excellent physicians/specialists who want to practice medicine, not be
businessmen.

But their reputation haunts them.

A boat salesman made a comment about Bayliner and their workmanship. He
said, "If they are of such poor quality, why is there so many older ones
around, running just fine." Contrast that to the Vega or Pinto.

My two bits. I'd rather put my trust in a company that is trying hard vs.
a
company that is resting on it's laurels. SeaRay comes to mind, in that
respect.


Ouch!

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport

Bert Robbins wrote:


Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.


Thank you very much, Bert.
That's the nicest thing you have ever said about me.
It's flattering to know that while I never mention you in the NG, I
must be constantly on your mind as you often present your personal
evaluations of my behavior or character without any provocation
whatsoever. You might try obsessing about someone or something
else......trust me, I'm not worth the time you rather obviously put
into it.
If we were still discussing politics here, I'd ask if you ever met a
liberal that you *did* like, but we aren't, so I won't. :-)

You're entitled to your opinion. Carry on.