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"Eddie" wrote in message ... I got a son-in-law who is a little bit disillusioned. He thinks he can go out and buy a 40' sailboat and sail it to the big island of Hawaii. He's never been on a sailboat, much less sailed one. He's a plumber, makes good money, and plans to spend around $200K for a yacht to sail there. He's a nut case imho. But was wondering, assuming he learns to sail, how many crew members does one need to do this in such a large boat? I know this is a motor group, but I'm sure someone could help. Nothing wrong with his dream, but agree not without some training and experience. If he is head strong committed, suggest that he find and retain the services of a qualified, licensed boat captain and a crew member or two for this trip. He will learn a lot and gain some experience under qualified supervision. RCE |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:40:52 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Five sailors would be a reasonable and safe crew, with each person standing a six hour watch and another person "up" to spell the watchstander and help out with any sudden adjustments of sails. It could be done with a smaller crew, but then the voyage becomes more of a challenge and less of a pleasure It could be done with 5, but 6 is a better number on a 40 footer in my experience. Typically we would stand three 4 hour watches at night and two 6 hour watches during the day. Three people on watch gives you enough to rotate jobs, cook, cleanup, get weather reports, navigate, etc. With the boat set up properly, experienced people and a good auto pilot, you could make a reasonable argument for a crew of two but that is really stretching things very thin. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
RCE wrote: "Eddie" wrote in message ... I got a son-in-law who is a little bit disillusioned. He thinks he can go out and buy a 40' sailboat and sail it to the big island of Hawaii. He's never been on a sailboat, much less sailed one. Is his nickname "Skipper"? He's a plumber, makes good money, and plans to spend around $200K for a yacht to sail there. He's a nut case imho. But was wondering, assuming he learns to sail, how many crew members does one need to do this in such a large boat? I know this is a motor group, but I'm sure someone could help. Five sailors would be a reasonable and safe crew, with each person standing a six hour watch and another person "up" to spell the watchstander and help out with any sudden adjustments of sails. It could be done with a smaller crew, but then the voyage becomes more of a challenge and less of a pleasure Embarking on such a trip, however, requires several crew members with a high level of sailing and navigational skills, and a stout, ocean-going cruising sailboat up to the task. An awful lot can go wrong very quickly out on the ocean, with deadly consequences. The most common crew for a 40' boat would be 3 (4 if it is two couples). Probably, the most common watch is 4 hrs, but I prefer a 3 hr. watch. The last hour can go very slow at night and a 3 hr watch rotates the watches so every day your watches are at a different time of day. With a autopilot or windvane, it allows the person on watch to make any minor adjustments in the sails. If you update your weather faxes, you get very few unexpected wind changes. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Five sailors would be a reasonable and safe crew, with each person standing a six hour watch and another person "up" to spell the watchstander and help out with any sudden adjustments of sails. It could be done with a smaller crew, but then the voyage becomes more of a challenge and less of a pleasure I think the exact opposite myself. Wayne.B wrote: It could be done with 5, but 6 is a better number on a 40 footer in my experience. I'd rather have 4 or even 3, provided that they're good sailors. A 40 footer is about as roomy as a cheap hotel room, and people invariably bring too much "stuff." The cabin becomes a crowded hovel and sleep is almost impossible. Unless all are seasoned sailors, at least half will be useless for watchstanding either due to seasickness or lack of comprehension or both. Racing is different, it's assumed that all the sailors have at least the basic skills & also (very important) the motivation to keep the boat sailing properly. ... Typically we would stand three 4 hour watches at night and two 6 hour watches during the day. Three people on watch gives you enough to rotate jobs, cook, cleanup, get weather reports, navigate, etc. Only done this once, but the best watch system I know of (given a good autopilot) is 3 hour watches, each person on watch alone but the 1st and last hours overlap the next persons watch. Gives enough sleep, enough company, some time for 'housekeeping.' If you have 4 or more people, the captain doesn't have to stand a watch (but is usually up at least 20 hours a day at sea anyway). I *really* dislike having a boat that is so crowded you have to shove bodies out of the way to get anywhere or do anything. Most people feel differently, maybe there's a herd instinct at work? With the boat set up properly, experienced people and a good auto pilot, you could make a reasonable argument for a crew of two but that is really stretching things very thin. Agreed- but that's the way most cruising couples do it... and also, passagemaking is a relatively rare thing. Even the people who cruise around the world spend far more time sailing in sheltered waters than open sea. As for the original poster, get a clue. Interfering in-laws are the subject of millions of jokes, for a good reason. It's like back-seat driving. The problem here is not that sailing to Hawaii is dangerous, nor that a 40 foot boat is too small... it's been done in 15 foot sailboats... but that your son-in-law doesn't know how to sail. His idea of buying a boat and just going is stupid, like not knowing a thing about flying and deciding you want to buy a plane and pilot it across the country. He needs to gain some experience first. Aside from that, he won't have spent $200K on a boat and decide after a few days that he doesn't like it after all. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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DSK wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Five sailors would be a reasonable and safe crew, with each person standing a six hour watch and another person "up" to spell the watchstander and help out with any sudden adjustments of sails. It could be done with a smaller crew, but then the voyage becomes more of a challenge and less of a pleasure I think the exact opposite myself. Wayne.B wrote: It could be done with 5, but 6 is a better number on a 40 footer in my experience. I'd rather have 4 or even 3, provided that they're good sailors. A 40 footer is about as roomy as a cheap hotel room, and people invariably bring too much "stuff." The cabin becomes a crowded hovel and sleep is almost impossible. Unless all are seasoned sailors, at least half will be useless for watchstanding either due to seasickness or lack of comprehension or both. Racing is different, it's assumed that all the sailors have at least the basic skills & also (very important) the motivation to keep the boat sailing properly. ... Typically we would stand three 4 hour watches at night and two 6 hour watches during the day. Three people on watch gives you enough to rotate jobs, cook, cleanup, get weather reports, navigate, etc. Only done this once, but the best watch system I know of (given a good autopilot) is 3 hour watches, each person on watch alone but the 1st and last hours overlap the next persons watch. Gives enough sleep, enough company, some time for 'housekeeping.' If you have 4 or more people, the captain doesn't have to stand a watch (but is usually up at least 20 hours a day at sea anyway). I *really* dislike having a boat that is so crowded you have to shove bodies out of the way to get anywhere or do anything. Most people feel differently, maybe there's a herd instinct at work? With the boat set up properly, experienced people and a good auto pilot, you could make a reasonable argument for a crew of two but that is really stretching things very thin. Agreed- but that's the way most cruising couples do it... and also, passagemaking is a relatively rare thing. Even the people who cruise around the world spend far more time sailing in sheltered waters than open sea. As for the original poster, get a clue. Interfering in-laws are the subject of millions of jokes, for a good reason. It's like back-seat driving. The problem here is not that sailing to Hawaii is dangerous, nor that a 40 foot boat is too small... it's been done in 15 foot sailboats... but that your son-in-law doesn't know how to sail. His idea of buying a boat and just going is stupid, like not knowing a thing about flying and deciding you want to buy a plane and pilot it across the country. He needs to gain some experience first. Aside from that, he won't have spent $200K on a boat and decide after a few days that he doesn't like it after all. Fresh Breezes- Doug King Doug, Besides the tight quarters you have with more than 4 in a 40' boat, if you have 6 people you end up hot bunking it. I just don't want to sleep in someone else's drool and sweat. ; ) I find the 3 hour watch very easy. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... RCE wrote: "Eddie" wrote in message ... I got a son-in-law who is a little bit disillusioned. He thinks he can go out and buy a 40' sailboat and sail it to the big island of Hawaii. He's never been on a sailboat, much less sailed one. Is his nickname "Skipper"? ROFL!!!! |
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Reggie Smithers wrote: DSK wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Five sailors would be a reasonable and safe crew, with each person standing a six hour watch and another person "up" to spell the watchstander and help out with any sudden adjustments of sails. It could be done with a smaller crew, but then the voyage becomes more of a challenge and less of a pleasure I think the exact opposite myself. Wayne.B wrote: It could be done with 5, but 6 is a better number on a 40 footer in my experience. I'd rather have 4 or even 3, provided that they're good sailors. A 40 footer is about as roomy as a cheap hotel room, and people invariably bring too much "stuff." The cabin becomes a crowded hovel and sleep is almost impossible. Unless all are seasoned sailors, at least half will be useless for watchstanding either due to seasickness or lack of comprehension or both. Racing is different, it's assumed that all the sailors have at least the basic skills & also (very important) the motivation to keep the boat sailing properly. ... Typically we would stand three 4 hour watches at night and two 6 hour watches during the day. Three people on watch gives you enough to rotate jobs, cook, cleanup, get weather reports, navigate, etc. Only done this once, but the best watch system I know of (given a good autopilot) is 3 hour watches, each person on watch alone but the 1st and last hours overlap the next persons watch. Gives enough sleep, enough company, some time for 'housekeeping.' If you have 4 or more people, the captain doesn't have to stand a watch (but is usually up at least 20 hours a day at sea anyway). I *really* dislike having a boat that is so crowded you have to shove bodies out of the way to get anywhere or do anything. Most people feel differently, maybe there's a herd instinct at work? With the boat set up properly, experienced people and a good auto pilot, you could make a reasonable argument for a crew of two but that is really stretching things very thin. Agreed- but that's the way most cruising couples do it... and also, passagemaking is a relatively rare thing. Even the people who cruise around the world spend far more time sailing in sheltered waters than open sea. As for the original poster, get a clue. Interfering in-laws are the subject of millions of jokes, for a good reason. It's like back-seat driving. The problem here is not that sailing to Hawaii is dangerous, nor that a 40 foot boat is too small... it's been done in 15 foot sailboats... but that your son-in-law doesn't know how to sail. His idea of buying a boat and just going is stupid, like not knowing a thing about flying and deciding you want to buy a plane and pilot it across the country. He needs to gain some experience first. Aside from that, he won't have spent $200K on a boat and decide after a few days that he doesn't like it after all. Fresh Breezes- Doug King Doug, Besides the tight quarters you have with more than 4 in a 40' boat, if you have 6 people you end up hot bunking it. I just don't want to sleep in someone else's drool and sweat. ; ) I find the 3 hour watch very easy. -- Reggie That's almost as bad as a warm toilet seat!!!! |
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wrote in message ups.com... Reggie Smithers wrote: DSK wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Five sailors would be a reasonable and safe crew, with each person standing a six hour watch and another person "up" to spell the watchstander and help out with any sudden adjustments of sails. It could be done with a smaller crew, but then the voyage becomes more of a challenge and less of a pleasure I think the exact opposite myself. Wayne.B wrote: It could be done with 5, but 6 is a better number on a 40 footer in my experience. I'd rather have 4 or even 3, provided that they're good sailors. A 40 footer is about as roomy as a cheap hotel room, and people invariably bring too much "stuff." The cabin becomes a crowded hovel and sleep is almost impossible. Unless all are seasoned sailors, at least half will be useless for watchstanding either due to seasickness or lack of comprehension or both. Racing is different, it's assumed that all the sailors have at least the basic skills & also (very important) the motivation to keep the boat sailing properly. ... Typically we would stand three 4 hour watches at night and two 6 hour watches during the day. Three people on watch gives you enough to rotate jobs, cook, cleanup, get weather reports, navigate, etc. Only done this once, but the best watch system I know of (given a good autopilot) is 3 hour watches, each person on watch alone but the 1st and last hours overlap the next persons watch. Gives enough sleep, enough company, some time for 'housekeeping.' If you have 4 or more people, the captain doesn't have to stand a watch (but is usually up at least 20 hours a day at sea anyway). I *really* dislike having a boat that is so crowded you have to shove bodies out of the way to get anywhere or do anything. Most people feel differently, maybe there's a herd instinct at work? With the boat set up properly, experienced people and a good auto pilot, you could make a reasonable argument for a crew of two but that is really stretching things very thin. Agreed- but that's the way most cruising couples do it... and also, passagemaking is a relatively rare thing. Even the people who cruise around the world spend far more time sailing in sheltered waters than open sea. As for the original poster, get a clue. Interfering in-laws are the subject of millions of jokes, for a good reason. It's like back-seat driving. The problem here is not that sailing to Hawaii is dangerous, nor that a 40 foot boat is too small... it's been done in 15 foot sailboats... but that your son-in-law doesn't know how to sail. His idea of buying a boat and just going is stupid, like not knowing a thing about flying and deciding you want to buy a plane and pilot it across the country. He needs to gain some experience first. Aside from that, he won't have spent $200K on a boat and decide after a few days that he doesn't like it after all. Fresh Breezes- Doug King Doug, Besides the tight quarters you have with more than 4 in a 40' boat, if you have 6 people you end up hot bunking it. I just don't want to sleep in someone else's drool and sweat. ; ) I find the 3 hour watch very easy. -- Reggie That's almost as bad as a warm toilet seat!!!! Warm toilets are nice in winter. I worked for a company years ago. The factory used the air cond cooling water for the toilets. Very efficient. Nice warm toilets in the winter. And Ohio winters could be cold. |
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