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Today has been really disappointing.
Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. |
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Chuck,
As someone who did fall off the wagon, I apologize to the group. It is amazing how quickly we as a group to revert to the old ways. I think most of us found the group to be more enjoyable without the politics and personal attacks, but the past few days shows the importance of taking it one day at a time. -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. |
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Reggie Smithers wrote: Chuck, As someone who did fall off the wagon, I apologize to the group. It is amazing how quickly we as a group to revert to the old ways. I think most of us found the group to be more enjoyable without the politics and personal attacks, but the past few days shows the importance of taking it one day at a time. -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** Good job, Smithers. :-) It only takes a few adults to break the cycle. We who fall prey to trolls or use the behavior of a self-absorbed troll to justify bad behavior on our own part are simply proclaiming, "I let other people decide how I will behave." We in the worst offender category will contribute most toward a sustained improvement if we accept responsibility for self determination. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Did you know that: - Dentists have recommended that a toothbrush be kept at least 6 feet away from a toilet to avoid airborne particles resulting from the flush. And................. - The electric chair was invented by a dentist. |
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NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Not at all, NOYB. I'm among the worst offenders, as are you. The thing is, its only the worst offenders who have the capacity to change the dynamic of the group for the better. The folks who stay on topic and don't get involved in propaganda cut 'n paste or political crap fights won't improve the group by changing behaviors. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. - The electric chair was invented by a dentist. That's right. Keep pushing me. |
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NOYB wrote:
Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Rather doubt it, but it does raise an interesting question. Just who are the Eagle Scouts contribution to this NG? Both my son and I can claim that honor, but he also earned his God and Country Award. I went further in OA than he did and served some grueling times as troop Committee Chairman. Wonder how many Eagles we have in this group? -- Skipper |
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Skipper wrote: NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Rather doubt it, but it does raise an interesting question. Just who are the Eagle Scouts contribution to this NG? Both my son and I can claim that honor, but he also earned his God and Country Award. I went further in OA than he did and served some grueling times as troop Committee Chairman. Wonder how many Eagles we have in this group? -- Skipper I'm one! My son is only 3, but some day... |
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Skipper wrote: NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Rather doubt it, but it does raise an interesting question. Just who are the Eagle Scouts contribution to this NG? Both my son and I can claim that honor, but he also earned his God and Country Award. I went further in OA than he did and served some grueling times as troop Committee Chairman. Wonder how many Eagles we have in this group? -- Skipper Hey, I understand there's a scout rank called the WEBLO, and I am often accused of being a Wobbly......is that close enough to count? :-) |
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wrote in message oups.com... Skipper wrote: NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Rather doubt it, but it does raise an interesting question. Just who are the Eagle Scouts contribution to this NG? Both my son and I can claim that honor, but he also earned his God and Country Award. I went further in OA than he did and served some grueling times as troop Committee Chairman. Wonder how many Eagles we have in this group? -- Skipper Hey, I understand there's a scout rank called the WEBLO, and I am often accused of being a Wobbly......is that close enough to count? :-) You may be a weeble............I am. ;-) Weebles wobble but they don't fall down. Remember your kids playing with these? http://tinyurl.com/956fx |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Nothing wrong with Eagle Scouts. In fact, doesn't scouting have a merit badge for boating competency? It's been a long time and I never quite made it to Eagle Scout, but fond memories. |
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"Skipper" wrote ... NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Rather doubt it, but it does raise an interesting question. Just who are the Eagle Scouts contribution to this NG? Both my son and I can claim that honor, but he also earned his God and Country Award. I went further in OA than he did and served some grueling times as troop Committee Chairman. Wonder how many Eagles we have in this group? I was a cub scout for a couple of months until they made us lip synch to "The Monster Mash". That was enough. |
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I sent this message to news.announce.newgroups to request a new newsgroup
called rec.boats.politics but they need someone who can put together a "proper" presentation to request a new newsgroup. OBTW I went to rec.backcountry the other day and they also have some serious OT political banter going on! Anyone out there want to tackle this? : It has been discussed several times in the past on rec.boats (unmoderated) that we have a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics (unmoderated) to help eliminate the political off topic posts in this newsgroup. We have taken steps voluntarily to keep the political posts out of rec.boats (sort of a "gentleman's agreement").Can you assist me with a formal request to create this new newsgroup as I feel it would help eliminate the off topic posting that many individuals participate in. I think this would give the people with strong political views a forum they could use which would also be close to their common recreational love of boating. wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. |
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How far is your toothbrush from your toilet?
-- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. - The electric chair was invented by a dentist. That's right. Keep pushing me. |
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************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... FREDO wrote: I sent this message to news.announce.newgroups to request a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics but they need someone who can put together a "proper" presentation to request a new newsgroup. OBTW I went to rec.backcountry the other day and they also have some serious OT political banter going on! Anyone out there want to tackle this? : It has been discussed several times in the past on rec.boats (unmoderated) that we have a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics (unmoderated) to help eliminate the political off topic posts in this newsgroup. We have taken steps voluntarily to keep the political posts out of rec.boats (sort of a "gentleman's agreement").Can you assist me with a formal request to create this new newsgroup as I feel it would help eliminate the off topic posting that many individuals participate in. I think this would give the people with strong political views a forum they could use which would also be close to their common recreational love of boating. wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards, Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster. Or some such nonsense. If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. |
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Fredo,
There are many political NG currently available. A new one will not reduce the number of OT trolls in rec.boats. After all, that is part of the thrill, to see how many people you can catch with each troll. -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "FREDO" wrote in message ... I sent this message to news.announce.newgroups to request a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics but they need someone who can put together a "proper" presentation to request a new newsgroup. OBTW I went to rec.backcountry the other day and they also have some serious OT political banter going on! Anyone out there want to tackle this? : It has been discussed several times in the past on rec.boats (unmoderated) that we have a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics (unmoderated) to help eliminate the political off topic posts in this newsgroup. We have taken steps voluntarily to keep the political posts out of rec.boats (sort of a "gentleman's agreement").Can you assist me with a formal request to create this new newsgroup as I feel it would help eliminate the off topic posting that many individuals participate in. I think this would give the people with strong political views a forum they could use which would also be close to their common recreational love of boating. wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. |
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I keep it in the toilet so the bristles don't dry out.
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... How far is your toothbrush from your toilet? -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. - The electric chair was invented by a dentist. That's right. Keep pushing me. |
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-rick- wrote:
"Skipper" wrote ... NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Rather doubt it, but it does raise an interesting question. Just who are the Eagle Scouts contribution to this NG? Both my son and I can claim that honor, but he also earned his God and Country Award. I went further in OA than he did and served some grueling times as troop Committee Chairman. Wonder how many Eagles we have in this group? I was a cub scout for a couple of months until they made us lip synch to "The Monster Mash". That was enough. The tune by Bobby 'Boris' Pickett? I used to know the lyrics by heart. http://www.oracleband.net/Lyrics/monster_mash.htm |
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Harry Krause wrote:
wrote: NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Not at all, NOYB. I'm among the worst offenders, as are you. The thing is, its only the worst offenders who have the capacity to change the dynamic of the group for the better. The folks who stay on topic and don't get involved in propaganda cut 'n paste or political crap fights won't improve the group by changing behaviors. After you fellows finish with your self-flagellations, you can put on your hair shirts. Yeah..what's with that? It's clear to me that it's always the Gang of 7's fault and it's our duty to challenge and correct them......for their own good as well as the good of the newsgroup. |
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It is obvious a certain few people cannot stand the fact that the NG has
veered back toward its original intent "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... FREDO wrote: I sent this message to news.announce.newgroups to request a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics but they need someone who can put together a "proper" presentation to request a new newsgroup. OBTW I went to rec.backcountry the other day and they also have some serious OT political banter going on! Anyone out there want to tackle this? : It has been discussed several times in the past on rec.boats (unmoderated) that we have a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics (unmoderated) to help eliminate the political off topic posts in this newsgroup. We have taken steps voluntarily to keep the political posts out of rec.boats (sort of a "gentleman's agreement").Can you assist me with a formal request to create this new newsgroup as I feel it would help eliminate the off topic posting that many individuals participate in. I think this would give the people with strong political views a forum they could use which would also be close to their common recreational love of boating. wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards, Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster. Or some such nonsense. If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:30:33 GMT, "FREDO" wrote:
I sent this message to news.announce.newgroups to request a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics but they need someone who can put together a "proper" presentation to request a new newsgroup. ====================================== Where does that stop? Next thing we will need rec.boats.snideremarks; rec.boats.personalflamewars; rec.boats.badbehavioringeneral; and so on. |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:29:15 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. ========== rec.boats.vowsofchastity ? I think you can put that one on your inactive list. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:30:33 GMT, "FREDO" wrote: I sent this message to news.announce.newgroups to request a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics but they need someone who can put together a "proper" presentation to request a new newsgroup. ====================================== Where does that stop? Next thing we will need rec.boats.snideremarks; rec.boats.personalflamewars; rec.boats.badbehavioringeneral; and so on. This was a tough one not to make a couple of snide additions to the list......................... |
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Harry Krause wrote: You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards, Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster. Or some such nonsense. If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. Screw that, Krause. If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about the group, trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that would be? You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive, hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups. You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place. Nearly everybody is trying to get things back on track. I never thought that you would participate in any effort to ignore trolls, get back on topic, forego political discussions, avoid name calling, and treat even folks who hold differing political values with respect. That's not what you're about. The best hope is that if everybody avoids responding to your stinking bait (as I am breaking my normal pattern to do at this moment) you'll shut the hell up or go away. Or would you hope to convince us all that the festering pustule behaviors at the bottom of the newsgroup have no effect on its overall value? Your turn: I'm sure your vicious reply will be a dandy. Make it your best, as I'm done with this discussion and you get the "last word." |
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wrote in message oups.com... Harry Krause wrote: You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards, Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster. Or some such nonsense. If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. Screw that, Krause. If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about the group, trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that would be? Kevin Noble? You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive, hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups. You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place. So much for the "no-personal-attacks" pledge, eh Chuck? You just don't get it. It's possible to make rec.boats a useful boating resource if everyone would just stay on-topic in the on-topic threads. You don't need to completely eliminate the off-topic posts. Although I'm as bad as anyone at posting lots of off-topic junk here, when I'm actually posting to a boating-related thread, I stay on-topic. Try it...you might like it. |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:00:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: It's created an entirely new subculture he a group of posters who continue to make snide remarks but try to be subtle about it. ============================================= Subltle has something to recommend it. At least we don't collectively come off looking like a bunch of 7th graders in a playground squabble. |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:30:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: You know, it's really funny. I can't stand your politics, but I'm absolutely positive we'd have a great time together out on a boat. ================================= You're probably right, I think you should try it. You'd get away from that toxic keyboard of yours for awhile, get some fresh air, and liven up your life a bit. You may not like Chuck's message but there is a lot of truth in it unfortunately. Frankly, I'm surprised he's still making the effort but let's hope he keeps it up. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:30:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: You know, it's really funny. I can't stand your politics, but I'm absolutely positive we'd have a great time together out on a boat. ================================= You're probably right, I think you should try it. You'd get away from that toxic keyboard of yours for awhile, get some fresh air, and liven up your life a bit. You may not like Chuck's message but there is a lot of truth in it unfortunately. Frankly, I'm surprised he's still making the effort but let's hope he keeps it up. This NG would make a superb case study for the evolution of societies. Think about it. The masses, striving for survival or control, very slowly inching towards the development of some of standards of behavior. Role models held up as examples, only to be torn down and destroyed by those that disagree and replaced with another model for observation and critical analysis by the masses. Feuding and turf protection. Guns and Roses. Boats and ....wait a minute .... have they invented boats yet? Hell, this might take another 100,000 years..... Eisboch |
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This is a great post!
Eisboch wrote: This NG would make a superb case study for the evolution of societies. Think about it. The masses, striving for survival or control, very slowly inching towards the development of some of standards of behavior. Role models held up as examples, only to be torn down and destroyed by those that disagree and replaced with another model for observation and critical analysis by the masses. Feuding and turf protection. Guns and Roses. Boats and ....wait a minute .... have they invented boats yet? Hell, this might take another 100,000 years..... If boats haven't been invented yet, then why all the sniping & griping about Bayliners? Are they really worse than a hollowed-out log? Ugh Ugh! Hand me my club... DSK |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:23:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
wrote in message roups.com... Harry Krause wrote: You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards, Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster. Or some such nonsense. If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. Screw that, Krause. If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about the group, trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that would be? Kevin Noble? You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive, hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups. You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place. So much for the "no-personal-attacks" pledge, eh Chuck? You just don't get it. It's possible to make rec.boats a useful boating resource if everyone would just stay on-topic in the on-topic threads. You don't need to completely eliminate the off-topic posts. Although I'm as bad as anyone at posting lots of off-topic junk here, when I'm actually posting to a boating-related thread, I stay on-topic. Try it...you might like it. Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:23:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Harry Krause wrote: You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards, Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster. Or some such nonsense. If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. Screw that, Krause. If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about the group, trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that would be? Kevin Noble? You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive, hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups. You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place. So much for the "no-personal-attacks" pledge, eh Chuck? You just don't get it. It's possible to make rec.boats a useful boating resource if everyone would just stay on-topic in the on-topic threads. You don't need to completely eliminate the off-topic posts. Although I'm as bad as anyone at posting lots of off-topic junk here, when I'm actually posting to a boating-related thread, I stay on-topic. Try it...you might like it. Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? Beside that, the OT post far outnumbered anything closing resembling on topic posts. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH wrote:
Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? Yes, of course. Don't you? If not, that says a lot about your political beliefs, doesn't it? DSK |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:40:55 -0500, DSK wrote:
JohnH wrote: Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? Yes, of course. Don't you? If not, that says a lot about your political beliefs, doesn't it? DSK In this group, no. That says nothing of my political beliefs. It's a comment on the manners of folks in the group, including me. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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Yeah..what's with that? It's clear to me that it's always the Gang of 7's fault and it's our duty to challenge and correct them......for their own good as well as the good of the newsgroup. Don, Chuck's point isn't whose fault is it, his point is that any and all political or inflammatory posts are detrimental to rec.boats as a place to discuss boats. If the majority want to have a NG of name calling and political fighting, that is what we will have. If you prefer to have a NG to discuss boats or have a friendly conversation with other boaters, you will ignore the political and name calling posts. You have a lot to offer rec.boats, as anyone can see from your contribution to rec.boats.cruising. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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