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Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? Absolutely. The NG has a 5 yr track record that says it can not be done. The political infighting, cut and pasting or political articles has chased away 90% of the old time regulars, and chases away 99% of new people who thought they were coming to a boating NG. We need to stay the course. Those who want to discuss politics should go to a political NG. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious
name-calling? Yes, of course. Don't you? If not, that says a lot about your political beliefs, doesn't it? JohnH wrote: In this group, no. Do you have so little faith in your fellow Bush-Cheney cheerleaders? .... That says nothing of my political beliefs. You may not believe it, but it does. DSK |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:30:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: You know, it's really funny. I can't stand your politics, but I'm absolutely positive we'd have a great time together out on a boat. ================================= You're probably right, I think you should try it. You'd get away from that toxic keyboard of yours for awhile, get some fresh air, and liven up your life a bit. You may not like Chuck's message but there is a lot of truth in it unfortunately. Frankly, I'm surprised he's still making the effort but let's hope he keeps it up. I didn't like or dislike Chuck's "message." What I noticed about it was that he engaged in precisely the kind of behavior he was condemning, and thus proved my point, that hypocrisy is rampant. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Yeah..what's with that? It's clear to me that it's always the Gang of 7's fault and it's our duty to challenge and correct them......for their own good as well as the good of the newsgroup. Don, Chuck's point isn't whose fault is it, his point is that any and all political or inflammatory posts are detrimental to rec.boats as a place to discuss boats. If the majority want to have a NG of name calling and political fighting, that is what we will have. If you prefer to have a NG to discuss boats or have a friendly conversation with other boaters, you will ignore the political and name calling posts. You have a lot to offer rec.boats, as anyone can see from your contribution to rec.boats.cruising. I know...I try not to take things too seriously..after all, I ignore 90% of the political threads. We've got a Federal Election in a couple of weeks and I can't even get excited about that. |
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NOYB wrote:
I think it's possible to limit the name-calling to the OT political threads...and at the same time maintain civil dialogue in the on-topic boating threads. This NG and many many others continue to prove otherwise. It's just not the nature of the beast. -- Skipper |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:32:49 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:23:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: wrote in message egroups.com... Harry Krause wrote: You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards, Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster. Or some such nonsense. If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and vows of chastity. Screw that, Krause. If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about the group, trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that would be? Kevin Noble? You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive, hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups. You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place. So much for the "no-personal-attacks" pledge, eh Chuck? You just don't get it. It's possible to make rec.boats a useful boating resource if everyone would just stay on-topic in the on-topic threads. You don't need to completely eliminate the off-topic posts. Although I'm as bad as anyone at posting lots of off-topic junk here, when I'm actually posting to a boating-related thread, I stay on-topic. Try it...you might like it. Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? I think it's possible to limit the name-calling to the OT political threads...and at the same time maintain civil dialogue in the on-topic boating threads. Being called a scum sucking pig ****er in one thread may affect one's responses in other threads. It's possible, but not probable. Witness the past few years. I've just completed a search for a group which would be appropriate for politics and name calling. It's 'a.politics', and right now it's empty. Everyone could easily subscribe to that group and have at each other 24/7. In fact, there will be a post there by the time you read this. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? Absolutely. Really? If that was true, then why are there so many non-political posts that end in name-calling while still being non-political? I'm referring to simple exchanges get a canned response about the conservatives... Dan |
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Harry Krause wrote:
FREDO wrote: I sent this message to news.announce.newgroups to request a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics but they need someone who can put together a "proper" presentation to request a new newsgroup. OBTW I went to rec.backcountry the other day and they also have some serious OT political banter going on! Anyone out there want to tackle this? : It has been discussed several times in the past on rec.boats (unmoderated) that we have a new newsgroup called rec.boats.politics (unmoderated) to help eliminate the political off topic posts in this newsgroup. We have taken steps voluntarily to keep the political posts out of rec.boats (sort of a "gentleman's agreement").Can you assist me with a formal request to create this new newsgroup as I feel it would help eliminate the off topic posting that many individuals participate in. I think this would give the people with strong political views a forum they could use which would also be close to their common recreational love of boating. wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. Do you have anything of substance to contribute to rec.boats? Please define "of substance". I'd love to hear it after reading four of these same responses. Dan |
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Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious name-calling? Absolutely. Really? If that was true, then why are there so many non-political posts that end in name-calling while still being non-political? I'm referring to simple exchanges get a canned response about the conservatives... Dan Dan, The only way we will turn this NG around is if we ignore those whose objective for posting in rec.boats is to troll and engage in political baiting. Responding in any fashion does not work. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:08:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! He's just trying to help make the newsgroup a decent place to visit. "a.politics" -- a great place for name-calling and inflammatory political posts. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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NOYB wrote:
I think it's possible to limit the name-calling to the OT political threads...and at the same time maintain civil dialogue in the on-topic boating threads. Agreed. It's definitely possible, it's what's been happening here (in varying degrees) for years. But I think it's desirable to ratchet down the ugly name-calling in general. DSK |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in other threads. If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind of response are very slim. And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own computer. |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in other threads. If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind of response are very slim. And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own computer. I think one would be hard pressed to find any political thread that's ever been in this newsgroup that wasn't loaded with inflammatory comments from both sides. It's the nature of the beast. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in other threads. If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind of response are very slim. And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own computer. I think one would be hard pressed to find any political thread that's ever been in this newsgroup that wasn't loaded with inflammatory comments from both sides. It's the nature of the beast. JohnH, Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is just boring. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
JohnH, Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is just boring. Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire. We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks. 'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows' Next please...! |
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Don White wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH, Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is just boring. Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire. We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks. 'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows' Next please...! Don, I don't believe I have blamed anyone, but one of the reasons rec.boats cruising is so successful as a boating forum is they have been very successful in ignoring those who come into the NG with the sole purpose of disrupting the NG. They not only ignore the person when he is trolling for a fight, they just ignore them completely. The person gets bored and just moves on. My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory trolls? -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:22:47 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in other threads. If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind of response are very slim. And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own computer. I think one would be hard pressed to find any political thread that's ever been in this newsgroup that wasn't loaded with inflammatory comments from both sides. It's the nature of the beast. JohnH, Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is just boring. A person can be trolling for a fight, or the same person can be discussing something without the troll. I have no problem with a friendly discussion about 'telephones', for instance, with anyone. If I feel the discussion is becoming inflammatory, I'll just stop replying. It's easy. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:42:55 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: Don White wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH, Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is just boring. Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire. We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks. 'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows' Next please...! Don, I don't believe I have blamed anyone, but one of the reasons rec.boats cruising is so successful as a boating forum is they have been very successful in ignoring those who come into the NG with the sole purpose of disrupting the NG. They not only ignore the person when he is trolling for a fight, they just ignore them completely. The person gets bored and just moves on. My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory trolls? Reward good behavior, and punish (by not responding to) bad behavior. That's my new philosophy. Bad behavior can be done in the timeout room, a.politics. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:42:55 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: Don White wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH, Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is just boring. Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire. We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks. 'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows' Next please...! Don, I don't believe I have blamed anyone, but one of the reasons rec.boats cruising is so successful as a boating forum is they have been very successful in ignoring those who come into the NG with the sole purpose of disrupting the NG. They not only ignore the person when he is trolling for a fight, they just ignore them completely. The person gets bored and just moves on. My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory trolls? Reward good behavior, and punish (by not responding to) bad behavior. That's my new philosophy. Bad behavior can be done in the timeout room, a.politics. JohnH, Hopefully you are correct. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
snip... My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory trolls? Yes... yes |
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Don White wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote: snip... My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory trolls? Yes... yes Don, I guess that is why we really should hope we can use rec.boats as a boating forum and if there are members of the group that would like to discuss politics they find an acceptable group to subscribe to where they can discuss politics. They could even do what JohnH suggested and use a.politics to kick around any other ideas, politics, get into some heated debates about whatever. This way rec.boats regulars who enjoy politics can still debate issues, and if they want to participate in some great flame fest. It really makes sense. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: snip... My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory trolls? Yes... yes Don, I guess that is why we really should hope we can use rec.boats as a boating forum and if there are members of the group that would like to discuss politics they find an acceptable group to subscribe to where they can discuss politics. They could even do what JohnH suggested and use a.politics to kick around any other ideas, politics, get into some heated debates about whatever. This way rec.boats regulars who enjoy politics can still debate issues, and if they want to participate in some great flame fest. It really makes sense. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* I just hope we did not lose Chuck and other key contributors because of all this crap. |
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JimH wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: snip... My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory trolls? Yes... yes Don, I guess that is why we really should hope we can use rec.boats as a boating forum and if there are members of the group that would like to discuss politics they find an acceptable group to subscribe to where they can discuss politics. They could even do what JohnH suggested and use a.politics to kick around any other ideas, politics, get into some heated debates about whatever. This way rec.boats regulars who enjoy politics can still debate issues, and if they want to participate in some great flame fest. It really makes sense. -- Reggie ************************************************ *********************** If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************ *********************** I just hope we did not lose Chuck and other key contributors because of all this crap. JimH, Hopefully a more user friendly rec.boats will not only attract some of the old regulars we lost, but also attract some new users. Remember, we can only control our own actions, but "if you build it they will come". ; ) -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: I think it's possible to limit the name-calling to the OT political threads...and at the same time maintain civil dialogue in the on-topic boating threads. Agreed. It's definitely possible, it's what's been happening here (in varying degrees) for years. But I think it's desirable to ratchet down the ugly name-calling in general. There are a few folks here who are unable to control themselves, and let the ugly stuff leak into the boating discussions. They lack self-control, and need to sign on to artificial "pacts" or "agreements" to help them control themselves. If I'm in a boating discussion thread, I keep the conversation limited to boating. If I'm in an OT discussion, there are no boundaries. Although I personally try to refrain from name-calling and swearing, I believe it is an important form of discussion. When I see my "opponent" go off on a foul-mouthed, name-calling tirade, I know that I've accomplished my goal...and "won" the argument. ;-) This is an unmoderated newsgroup. With the filters available in most news readers today, it's a very simple thing to filter out the off-topic stuff...particularly if it's marked with "OT". |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:27:28 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
When I see my "opponent" go off on a foul-mouthed, name-calling tirade, I know that I've accomplished my goal...and "won" the argument. ;-) ================================ I believe that's called inflammatory speach. Who needs it? That's where most of the BS starts. There are better places to discuss politics than in a boating group. The only exception that I'd make would be for boating related issues like manatee madness, boat taxation, etc. |
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