Need to recommit or admit failure........
 

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:08:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Today has been really disappointing.

Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal
remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent,
totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political
junk and years-old feuds through here.

None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is
generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal
remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If
we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once
again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that
is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats
be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never
participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst
offenders.

But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have.
We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n
paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something
somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some
more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc
etc.

We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only
takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being
in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in
the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back
into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently
prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of
all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we
could fix it, if we wanted to.

I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name
names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to
ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody
among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the
dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop
slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum
takes over once again.....

We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this
is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved
course.


I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few
days.........sorry.

I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers (
http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ),
troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks (
http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in
this group.

Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck!

Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout!


He's just trying to help make the newsgroup a decent place to visit.

"a.politics" -- a great place for name-calling and inflammatory political posts.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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NOYB wrote:
I think it's possible to limit the name-calling to the OT political
threads...and at the same time maintain civil dialogue in the on-topic
boating threads.


Agreed.

It's definitely possible, it's what's been happening here
(in varying degrees) for years. But I think it's desirable
to ratchet down the ugly name-calling in general.

DSK

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in
other threads.

If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind
of response are very slim.

And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them
go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own
computer.

Need to recommit or admit failure........
 

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in
other threads.

If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind
of response are very slim.

And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them
go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own
computer.

I think one would be hard pressed to find any political thread that's ever been in
this newsgroup that wasn't loaded with inflammatory comments from both sides. It's
the nature of the beast.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:


On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in
other threads.

If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind
of response are very slim.

And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them
go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own
computer.


I think one would be hard pressed to find any political thread that's ever been in
this newsgroup that wasn't loaded with inflammatory comments from both sides. It's
the nature of the beast.

JohnH,
Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated
purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a
long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion
boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term,
but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and
trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG
of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is
just boring.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *********************
If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
************************************************** *********************

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Reggie Smithers wrote:

JohnH,
Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated
purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a
long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion
boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term,
but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and
trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG
of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is
just boring.



Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will
never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire.
We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping
us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks.
'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows'

Next please...!

Need to recommit or admit failure........
 

Don White wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:


JohnH,
Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated
purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has
a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating
discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act
short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name
calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some
people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in
a friendly manner is just boring.



Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will
never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire.
We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping
us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks.
'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows'

Next please...!

Don,
I don't believe I have blamed anyone, but one of the reasons rec.boats
cruising is so successful as a boating forum is they have been very
successful in ignoring those who come into the NG with the sole purpose
of disrupting the NG. They not only ignore the person when he is
trolling for a fight, they just ignore them completely. The person gets
bored and just moves on.

My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating
forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly
started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory
trolls?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *********************
If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
************************************************** *********************

Need to recommit or admit failure........
 

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:22:47 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:


On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:31:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Being called a scum sucking pig f*cker in one thread may affect one's responses in
other threads.

If you avoid inflammatory commentary the chances of drawing that kind
of response are very slim.

And there's always the kill file. If someone offends you, make them
go away. If they offend everyone they'll soon be talking to their own
computer.


I think one would be hard pressed to find any political thread that's ever been in
this newsgroup that wasn't loaded with inflammatory comments from both sides. It's
the nature of the beast.

JohnH,
Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated
purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has a
long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating discussion
boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act short term,
but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name calling and
trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some people believe a NG
of boaters discussing boating and other issues in a friendly manner is
just boring.

A person can be trolling for a fight, or the same person can be discussing something
without the troll. I have no problem with a friendly discussion about 'telephones',
for instance, with anyone. If I feel the discussion is becoming inflammatory, I'll
just stop replying. It's easy.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Need to recommit or admit failure........
 

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:42:55 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Don White wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:


JohnH,
Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated
purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has
a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating
discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act
short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name
calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some
people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in
a friendly manner is just boring.



Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will
never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire.
We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping
us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks.
'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows'

Next please...!

Don,
I don't believe I have blamed anyone, but one of the reasons rec.boats
cruising is so successful as a boating forum is they have been very
successful in ignoring those who come into the NG with the sole purpose
of disrupting the NG. They not only ignore the person when he is
trolling for a fight, they just ignore them completely. The person gets
bored and just moves on.

My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating
forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly
started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory
trolls?

Reward good behavior, and punish (by not responding to) bad behavior.

That's my new philosophy. Bad behavior can be done in the timeout room, a.politics.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Need to recommit or admit failure........
 

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:42:55 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Don White wrote:

Reggie Smithers wrote:


JohnH,
Sometimes you just need to stop responding from anyone whose stated
purpose of participating in rec.boats is to "make it lively", who has
a long history of inflammatory comments, whose finds boating
discussion boring. As Skipper mentioned they might clean up their act
short term, but very quickly revert back to political trolling, name
calling and trolling for any possible fight. After all, as some
people believe a NG of boaters discussing boating and other issues in
a friendly manner is just boring.



Above is an example of why this newsgroup may improve a bit...but will
never reach the nirvana some posters claim they desire.
We seem to go around in circles, blaming the previous poster for keeping
us in the gutter, while adding our own attacks.
'Round and round it goes...where it stops, no one knows'

Next please...!

Don,
I don't believe I have blamed anyone, but one of the reasons rec.boats
cruising is so successful as a boating forum is they have been very
successful in ignoring those who come into the NG with the sole purpose
of disrupting the NG. They not only ignore the person when he is
trolling for a fight, they just ignore them completely. The person gets
bored and just moves on.

My question to you is do you enjoy using rec.boats.cruising as a boating
forum? Don't you think it would lose something if it the group suddenly
started responding to cut and paste political articles or inflammatory
trolls?


Reward good behavior, and punish (by not responding to) bad behavior.

That's my new philosophy. Bad behavior can be done in the timeout room, a.politics.

JohnH,
Hopefully you are correct.



--
Reggie
************************************************** *********************
If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
************************************************** *********************