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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:30:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

You know, it's really funny. I can't stand your politics, but I'm
absolutely positive we'd have a great time together out on a boat.

=================================

You're probably right, I think you should try it.

You'd get away from that toxic keyboard of yours for awhile, get some
fresh air, and liven up your life a bit.

You may not like Chuck's message but there is a lot of truth in it
unfortunately. Frankly, I'm surprised he's still making the effort
but let's hope he keeps it up.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:30:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

You know, it's really funny. I can't stand your politics, but I'm
absolutely positive we'd have a great time together out on a boat.

=================================

You're probably right, I think you should try it.

You'd get away from that toxic keyboard of yours for awhile, get some
fresh air, and liven up your life a bit.

You may not like Chuck's message but there is a lot of truth in it
unfortunately. Frankly, I'm surprised he's still making the effort
but let's hope he keeps it up.


This NG would make a superb case study for the evolution of societies.
Think about it. The masses, striving for survival or control, very slowly
inching towards the development of some of standards of behavior. Role
models held up as examples, only to be torn down and destroyed by those that
disagree and replaced with another model for observation and critical
analysis by the masses. Feuding and turf protection. Guns and Roses. Boats
and ....wait a minute .... have they invented boats yet?

Hell, this might take another 100,000 years.....

Eisboch

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This is a great post!

Eisboch wrote:
This NG would make a superb case study for the evolution of societies.
Think about it. The masses, striving for survival or control, very slowly
inching towards the development of some of standards of behavior. Role
models held up as examples, only to be torn down and destroyed by those that
disagree and replaced with another model for observation and critical
analysis by the masses. Feuding and turf protection. Guns and Roses. Boats
and ....wait a minute .... have they invented boats yet?

Hell, this might take another 100,000 years.....


If boats haven't been invented yet, then why all the sniping
& griping about Bayliners? Are they really worse than a
hollowed-out log?

Ugh Ugh! Hand me my club...

DSK

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:23:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:


You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will
post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will
chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards,
Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the
boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and
Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster.
Or some such nonsense.

If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll
increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and
vows of chastity.

Screw that, Krause.

If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about
the group,
trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal
playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating
topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things
up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that
would be?

Kevin Noble?


You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various
newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously
silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive,
hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills
that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common
with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience
isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups.
You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is
ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of
pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place.

So much for the "no-personal-attacks" pledge, eh Chuck?



You just don't get it. It's possible to make rec.boats a useful boating
resource if everyone would just stay on-topic in the on-topic threads. You
don't need to completely eliminate the off-topic posts. Although I'm as bad
as anyone at posting lots of off-topic junk here, when I'm actually posting
to a boating-related thread, I stay on-topic. Try it...you might like it.


Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious
name-calling?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:23:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


wrote in message
groups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:


You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will
post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will
chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards,
Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the
boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and
Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is
faster.
Or some such nonsense.

If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll
increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and
vows of chastity.

Screw that, Krause.

If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about
the group,
trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal
playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating
topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things
up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that
would be?

Kevin Noble?


You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various
newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously
silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive,
hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills
that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common
with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience
isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups.
You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is
ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of
pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place.

So much for the "no-personal-attacks" pledge, eh Chuck?



You just don't get it. It's possible to make rec.boats a useful boating
resource if everyone would just stay on-topic in the on-topic threads.
You
don't need to completely eliminate the off-topic posts. Although I'm as
bad
as anyone at posting lots of off-topic junk here, when I'm actually
posting
to a boating-related thread, I stay on-topic. Try it...you might like it.


Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the
vicious
name-calling?

Beside that, the OT post far outnumbered anything closing resembling on
topic posts.



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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JohnH wrote:
Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious
name-calling?


Yes, of course.

Don't you? If not, that says a lot about your political
beliefs, doesn't it?

DSK

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I agree with everything you said, but it was a waste of time and energy. Harry
trolled some bait, and you bit. I don't know what it takes for people to ignore his
inflammatory posts, but until it's done, he isn't going to change.


On 6 Jan 2006 08:15:00 -0800, wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will
post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will
chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards,
Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the
boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and
Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster.
Or some such nonsense.

If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll
increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and
vows of chastity.

Screw that, Krause.

If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about
the group,
trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal
playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating
topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things
up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that
would be?

You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various
newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously
silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive,
hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills
that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common
with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience
isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups.
You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is
ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of
pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place.

Nearly everybody is trying to get things back on track. I never thought
that you would participate in any effort to ignore trolls, get back on
topic, forego political discussions,
avoid name calling, and treat even folks who hold differing political
values with respect.
That's not what you're about. The best hope is that if everybody avoids
responding to your
stinking bait (as I am breaking my normal pattern to do at this moment)
you'll shut the hell up or go away.

Or would you hope to convince us all that the festering pustule
behaviors at the bottom of the newsgroup have no effect on its overall
value?

Your turn: I'm sure your vicious reply will be a dandy. Make it your
best, as I'm done with this discussion and you get the "last word."


--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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Everyone just needs to ignore ALL posts from those that continue to display
that behavior.

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
I agree with everything you said, but it was a waste of time and energy.
Harry
trolled some bait, and you bit. I don't know what it takes for people to
ignore his
inflammatory posts, but until it's done, he isn't going to change.


On 6 Jan 2006 08:15:00 -0800, wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


You don't have t bother with a new group. Every other day, Chuck will
post a 250-word treatise on "proper" behavior, and the Rev. Jim will
chime in with a few Hail Marys and mea culpas. Immediately afterwards,
Chuck will tell us that those festering pustules on the bottom of the
boat you're thinking of buying don't really retract from its value, and
Jim will tell us that no matter what computer you have, *his* is faster.
Or some such nonsense.

If you happen to bring up any of the verboten subjects here, you'll
increase the frequency of their self-flagellations, confessions, and
vows of chastity.

Screw that, Krause.

If I had to identify the *one* person who doesn't give a schlitz about
the group,
trolls without a moment's hesitation, considers the NG his personal
playpen, has recently posted that he finds the discussion of boating
topics "vapid", and has historically gone out of his way to stir things
up every time they settle down too much for his taste, guess who that
would be?

You spend your entire life in your computer haunting various
newsgroups. You seem to get some huge thrill from your ridiculously
silly ability to make nearly everybody dance to your weird, divisive,
hateful tune. You so misuse your intelligence and communication skills
that it's pathetic to watch you in action. You have a lot in common
with Rush Limbaugh, only he might be even brighter and his audience
isn't restricted to a couple of hundred people in a dozen newsgroups.
You're so desperate for a ****-fling that when everybody else is
ignoring you you start in on people who have long been guilty of
pretending your sick act somehow didn't exist in the first place.

Nearly everybody is trying to get things back on track. I never thought
that you would participate in any effort to ignore trolls, get back on
topic, forego political discussions,
avoid name calling, and treat even folks who hold differing political
values with respect.
That's not what you're about. The best hope is that if everybody avoids
responding to your
stinking bait (as I am breaking my normal pattern to do at this moment)
you'll shut the hell up or go away.

Or would you hope to convince us all that the festering pustule
behaviors at the bottom of the newsgroup have no effect on its overall
value?

Your turn: I'm sure your vicious reply will be a dandy. Make it your
best, as I'm done with this discussion and you get the "last word."


--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:40:55 -0500, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:
Do you honestly think it's possible to have the politics *without* the vicious
name-calling?


Yes, of course.

Don't you? If not, that says a lot about your political
beliefs, doesn't it?

DSK

In this group, no. That says nothing of my political beliefs. It's a comment on the
manners of folks in the group, including me.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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Yeah..what's with that?
It's clear to me that it's always the Gang of 7's fault and it's our
duty to challenge and correct them......for their own good as well as
the good of the newsgroup.

Don,

Chuck's point isn't whose fault is it, his point is that any and all
political or inflammatory posts are detrimental to rec.boats as a place
to discuss boats. If the majority want to have a NG of name calling and
political fighting, that is what we will have.

If you prefer to have a NG to discuss boats or have a friendly
conversation with other boaters, you will ignore the political and name
calling posts.

You have a lot to offer rec.boats, as anyone can see from your
contribution to rec.boats.cruising.

--
Reggie
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