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[email protected] December 31st 05 04:10 PM

Ideal size boat
 
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


Don White December 31st 05 04:21 PM

Ideal size boat
 
wrote:
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


I'm a minimalist. Since I want to be able to sail in numerous places,
some hundreds of miles away, my 18.5 foot mini cruiser sailboat is all I
need. If I decided to stay put within 50 nm of my home, I'd move up to
a bigger keel boat in the 21-26 foot range. Unless you plan on long
cruises, or carrying half a dozen or more crew/passengers why incur all
the extra expense?

JohnH December 31st 05 04:48 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "
wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious
thought.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

William Andersen December 31st 05 05:08 PM

Ideal size boat
 
I'd love to have a 24-28' cruiser, but wouldn't want to spend the money
outfitting it with all the electronic toys I love, and I wouldn't want to
spend the money for fuel and a slip.
So, I've resigned myself to the fact that my 19' bowrider meets my needs. It
is fully outfitted and serves the family for water sports and fishing, and
puts in 16 or more hours a week on USCG Auxiliary Safety Patrols.

wrote in message
oups.com...
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?




JimH December 31st 05 05:09 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?



How can anyone make an offer on a boat that they have not recently inspected
and given a detailed list on the hours, maintenance, accessories and
options?

One listing in Boat Trader does not set a price baseline.



John Gaquin December 31st 05 05:11 PM

Ideal size boat
 

wrote in message

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one


Lots of folk go at a boat the same way they go at a house. They get the
largest they think they can afford. The proper attitude (in my view) with
both houses and boats is to get the smallest that will meet your
requirements. This assumes, of course, in both cases, that you are able to
remove ego from the equation. :-)



JimH December 31st 05 05:12 PM

Ideal size boat
 

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?

I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent."
Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?



How can anyone make an offer on a boat that they have not recently
inspected and given a detailed list on the hours, maintenance, accessories
and options?

One listing in Boat Trader does not set a price baseline.


What is your present asking price?



JimH December 31st 05 05:14 PM

Ideal size boat
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


Through our years of boating we went from a 16 footer to a 21 footer to a 27
footer to a 32 footer and then back down to a 20 footer. We are perfectly
happy with the 20 foot runabout, although we do miss being able to overnight
on a boat at various ports.



JohnH December 31st 05 05:36 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "
wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?


I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JimH December 31st 05 05:54 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?



How can anyone make an offer on a boat that they have not recently
inspected and given a detailed list on the hours, maintenance,
accessories and options?

One listing in Boat Trader does not set a price baseline.


The hours and maintenance of Yo Ho are available. The boat is in
near-perfect condition, as any inspector you would care to hire would
verify. As I said, assuming the boat is as I described, and is similar to
the one on Boat Trader, with minor exceptions, what kind of offer would
you be prepared to make? Are you in the $60,000 to $70,000 range? Because
that's the price boats similar to Yo Ho in similar condition are fetching.

The "extras" on Yo Ho include the galley refrig, sink and stove, whatever
else was available from Parker at the time, the chartplotter, furono
fishdiner, ICOM radio, bow pulpit, anchor and line, dock lines, fenders
(bumpers), extra rod holder, et cetera. If you were a serious buyer, I
could prepare a list.

The boat is available for inspection if you want to pay to have it
unwrapped and recommissioned, and then decommissioned and rewrapped if
your surveyor indicates some serious problem that would kill a sale. But
there isn't any such problem.

The engine is still under warranty, as is the hull.

It does need a wiper blade on the starboard side.




Sounds like a nice boat Harry.



JohnH December 31st 05 05:59 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:54:58 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?



How can anyone make an offer on a boat that they have not recently
inspected and given a detailed list on the hours, maintenance,
accessories and options?

One listing in Boat Trader does not set a price baseline.


The hours and maintenance of Yo Ho are available. The boat is in
near-perfect condition, as any inspector you would care to hire would
verify. As I said, assuming the boat is as I described, and is similar to
the one on Boat Trader, with minor exceptions, what kind of offer would
you be prepared to make? Are you in the $60,000 to $70,000 range? Because
that's the price boats similar to Yo Ho in similar condition are fetching.

The "extras" on Yo Ho include the galley refrig, sink and stove, whatever
else was available from Parker at the time, the chartplotter, furono
fishdiner, ICOM radio, bow pulpit, anchor and line, dock lines, fenders
(bumpers), extra rod holder, et cetera. If you were a serious buyer, I
could prepare a list.

The boat is available for inspection if you want to pay to have it
unwrapped and recommissioned, and then decommissioned and rewrapped if
your surveyor indicates some serious problem that would kill a sale. But
there isn't any such problem.

The engine is still under warranty, as is the hull.

It does need a wiper blade on the starboard side.




Sounds like a nice boat Harry.


It *is* a nice boat! BTW did you get the recipe?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JimH December 31st 05 06:01 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:54:58 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?



How can anyone make an offer on a boat that they have not recently
inspected and given a detailed list on the hours, maintenance,
accessories and options?

One listing in Boat Trader does not set a price baseline.

The hours and maintenance of Yo Ho are available. The boat is in
near-perfect condition, as any inspector you would care to hire would
verify. As I said, assuming the boat is as I described, and is similar
to
the one on Boat Trader, with minor exceptions, what kind of offer would
you be prepared to make? Are you in the $60,000 to $70,000 range?
Because
that's the price boats similar to Yo Ho in similar condition are
fetching.

The "extras" on Yo Ho include the galley refrig, sink and stove,
whatever
else was available from Parker at the time, the chartplotter, furono
fishdiner, ICOM radio, bow pulpit, anchor and line, dock lines, fenders
(bumpers), extra rod holder, et cetera. If you were a serious buyer, I
could prepare a list.

The boat is available for inspection if you want to pay to have it
unwrapped and recommissioned, and then decommissioned and rewrapped if
your surveyor indicates some serious problem that would kill a sale. But
there isn't any such problem.

The engine is still under warranty, as is the hull.

It does need a wiper blade on the starboard side.




Sounds like a nice boat Harry.


It *is* a nice boat! BTW did you get the recipe?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


Yep. Thanks. I am thinking of making both a sour cream base and whipping
cream base horseradish sauce.



RG December 31st 05 06:02 PM

Ideal size boat
 

I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to
give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a
big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



I've decided to stay with my D70 body for now, although the D200 would be a
very nice upgrade. However, it's all I can do to not run out and get my
hands on this new lens that was released the same time as the D200. It
would appear to be the perfect default lens for a Nikon DSLR, and I actually
think I would get more benefit from spending $750 on this lens than on
upgrading the body itself. A great range of focal length and I'm a huge
believer in image stabilization technology. Fortunately, they are very hard
to come by right now, which is keeping me from joining the hunt.

http://tinyurl.com/dsevd




[email protected] December 31st 05 06:31 PM

Ideal size boat
 

wrote:
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?



Sort of going through that at the moment.

We love our boat, but there are a few "isms" we'd change if we could
and we think that a 40-footer would be just a bit bigger than our 36
while still retaining a manageable size.
Our boating budget is adequate, but not extravagant. It was our good
luck to realize a professional windfall recently, and we have
considered using a portion to upgrade the boat. We thought that adding
$100k to what our current boat should bring would keep our total
investment down to a reasonable total, so a new 40-footer ($350k and
up) is definitely out of consideration.

Our next problem is that our boat is reasonably unique, and we wouldn't
find the same characteristics in most available boats.

Looks like we'll spend a good chunk to repaint and refurbish
"Indulgence" and keep her at least a while longer. I've got one bid for
stripping the bottom, repainting the hull and the house, taking all the
teak down to bare wood and refinishing with a first "soak" coat, and
replacing some water-stained interior veneer that seems pretty
reasonable in the mid-30's.
With the 2-year old engine and a face lift, we'd be able to be as proud
as if we found a near bristol used boat- and just the sales commission
to sell "Indulgence" and tax on the difference for a $100k upgrade
would run about half of our cost to make the boat we like so well look
fairly new again.

I crawl through at least one larger boat, 55-70 feet, every month. Nice
to dream about, but
I think that the smallest boat one can safely enjoy in local conditions
is at least as good a choice as the largest boat one can (supposedly)
afford. :-)


JohnH December 31st 05 07:03 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:02:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:


I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to
give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a
big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



I've decided to stay with my D70 body for now, although the D200 would be a
very nice upgrade. However, it's all I can do to not run out and get my
hands on this new lens that was released the same time as the D200. It
would appear to be the perfect default lens for a Nikon DSLR, and I actually
think I would get more benefit from spending $750 on this lens than on
upgrading the body itself. A great range of focal length and I'm a huge
believer in image stabilization technology. Fortunately, they are very hard
to come by right now, which is keeping me from joining the hunt.

http://tinyurl.com/dsevd



That *is* a nice looking lens. Have you seen any reviews on it? I bought this one:
http://tinyurl.com/aruez and then decided it was too big to carry on the trip we
made. Now I'm considering selling it. I ended up with the 70-300mm lens,
http://tinyurl.com/cn9r5, with which I've been pretty happy.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JohnH December 31st 05 07:09 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:09 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

RG wrote:
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to
give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a
big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



I've decided to stay with my D70 body for now, although the D200 would be a
very nice upgrade. However, it's all I can do to not run out and get my
hands on this new lens that was released the same time as the D200. It
would appear to be the perfect default lens for a Nikon DSLR, and I actually
think I would get more benefit from spending $750 on this lens than on
upgrading the body itself. A great range of focal length and I'm a huge
believer in image stabilization technology. Fortunately, they are very hard
to come by right now, which is keeping me from joining the hunt.

http://tinyurl.com/dsevd



These days, I don't make enlargements bigger than 8x10, and by composing
properly, any cropping I do is on the very edges of the frame, so I see
no particular advantage with the D200, although I am sure it is a hell
of a camera.

I think I'm going to wait for the Nikon digital SLR that doesn't add an
"x" factor to the focal length of lenses. If I want to use a fixed focal
length 105 2.5, then 105 is what I want, NOT 150 mm.

My D70 has performed very well for me.


If 105 is what you want, just back off the lens a bit.

The D200 has a few other mods that make it nice besides the higher resolution. One
thing I like is that the flash never pops up automatically. If you want the flash,
there's a button to push and up it pops. Otherwise, the camera sets itself for a
flashless picture. The big monitor is a joy, especially when zooming in to check
focus on a picture. Having the autofocus control on a switch instead of in the menu's
is also nice.

I was very pleased with the D70, but I have to admit I like the D200 better.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

RG December 31st 05 07:30 PM

Ideal size boat
 

That *is* a nice looking lens. Have you seen any reviews on it? I bought
this one:
http://tinyurl.com/aruez and then decided it was too big to carry on the
trip we
made. Now I'm considering selling it. I ended up with the 70-300mm lens,
http://tinyurl.com/cn9r5, with which I've been pretty happy.


I've read only one review, and it was very positive. It sure ought to be
for the money. In addition to the 18-70 kit lens, I also have the 70-300
zoom, the ED version. At the time, it seemed like the most logical
compliment to the 18-70 kit lens, and it was very affordable. However, in
practice, I find it is often too long, and I find myself switching back and
forth between the 18-70 and the 70-300 way too often. Either that or I will
often revert to my point and shoot when I have the 70-300 on the D70 and
need a shorter lens to get a shot off quickly. It's clumsy, and I don't
like it.

There are several inherent advantages this 18-200 lens offers over the
18-70/70-300 combo we now use. First and foremost is to have the majority
of the focal range of the combo in a single lens. You give up nothing on
the short end, and still have 350mm on the long end in 35mm equivalence.
11.1x range is not bad. I'd be more than willing to give up the very long
end to have the 18-200 range in a single lens. Much more convenient. From
what I can tell, it is fairly compact in size. Somewhere between the 18-70
and 70-300 in size, which I would find acceptable for a default walk-around
lens. Second, this lens is far superior to the 70-300 zoom. Much faster
focusing with the silent wave motor, just like the 18-70. And third, even
though this lens isn't really any faster nominally than the 18-70 and only
slightly faster than the 70-300, in practicality it is much faster due to
the VR technology. In most situations, image stabilization will give you
2-3 stops more speed than without. Huge feature, especially if you shoot
mostly hand-held, as I do. I have a very nice pair of Canon image
stabilized binocs, and what the image stabilization does for them has to be
experienced to be believed. My next lens purchase will absolutely have
image stabilization technology incorporated into it.

I'm just waiting for supply to catch up with demand, and maybe the price
will soften a bit. But I wouldn't expect that to happen in the next six
months.



Bryan December 31st 05 07:35 PM

Ideal size boat
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


Well, let's see. I have a brand new Sea Ray 185. I think it's perfect for
my driveway, for towing, and for running around my local lakes. I will,
when I win the lottery, get a bigger boat that is better suited for visiting
the channel islands from ventura/oxnard and Catalina island from Marina Del
REy for a few days to a week at a time; still it will need to be
trailerable.

I've sailed many boats from 14 feet to 40 feet and have enjoyed each for
it's purpose, but I've settled on 30 to 32 feet as my preference for bay and
coastal sailing; that seems to be the size that is most comfortable for me
to handle short-handed. On the other hand for sailing offshore I would
probably buy a 40 footer with my lottery winnings.

Now that you've made me think about it a little bit, if I win the lottery,
I'll probably keep my little Sea Ray 185 to keep in my driveway, and buy a
Catalina 320 to keep in a southern california marina.



Bill McKee December 31st 05 07:47 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:54:58 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?



How can anyone make an offer on a boat that they have not recently
inspected and given a detailed list on the hours, maintenance,
accessories and options?

One listing in Boat Trader does not set a price baseline.

The hours and maintenance of Yo Ho are available. The boat is in
near-perfect condition, as any inspector you would care to hire would
verify. As I said, assuming the boat is as I described, and is similar
to
the one on Boat Trader, with minor exceptions, what kind of offer would
you be prepared to make? Are you in the $60,000 to $70,000 range?
Because
that's the price boats similar to Yo Ho in similar condition are
fetching.

The "extras" on Yo Ho include the galley refrig, sink and stove,
whatever
else was available from Parker at the time, the chartplotter, furono
fishdiner, ICOM radio, bow pulpit, anchor and line, dock lines, fenders
(bumpers), extra rod holder, et cetera. If you were a serious buyer, I
could prepare a list.

The boat is available for inspection if you want to pay to have it
unwrapped and recommissioned, and then decommissioned and rewrapped if
your surveyor indicates some serious problem that would kill a sale. But
there isn't any such problem.

The engine is still under warranty, as is the hull.

It does need a wiper blade on the starboard side.




Sounds like a nice boat Harry.


It *is* a nice boat! BTW did you get the recipe?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


And he is picking the highest price on Boat Trader. It was not the most
expensive 25' boat around when he got it. I guess he wants to sell it for
what it cost him.



RG December 31st 05 07:50 PM

Ideal size boat
 

I'm astonished anyone good photographer would even consider a "super wide
to super tele" lens. The optical challenges alone lead to some serious
compromises.


Your mindset regarding the optical challenges of high-end modern zooms
versus primes is dated. Current technology has closed any such gaps
considerably. Not to say there aren't some crappy cheap zooms out there,
but there some astonishingly good ones as well. But be prepared to pay for
the privilege of using one. These high-end zooms are designed for the pro
market, and Canon and Nikon couldn't get the money for them that they do if
they didn't deliver the results the pros demand. It certainly is reasonable
to say that you can by a tack sharp prime for considerably less money than a
zoom with comparable optical qualities, but it not reasonable to say that it
can't be done. Not today. The only compromise is to your bank account.

The convenience of composition with a zoom results in a more perfect crop
before post processing, causing less waste in resolution to the final crop.
And when you add this to the absolute magic of image stabilization and its
effective increase in speed, any slight optical advantage of the
old-fashioned prime is more than compensated for in the final result.



Bill McKee December 31st 05 07:52 PM

Ideal size boat
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


I have thought of a 27' boat. Must be trailerable behind a 3/4T diesel.
One I could spend a week cruising the San Juans, or tow to Florida and spend
a couple of months in the area, with some nights in hotels. But I like my
21' alum jet boat, so would keep that.



Bryan December 31st 05 08:17 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
k.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


I have thought of a 27' boat. Must be trailerable behind a 3/4T diesel.
One I could spend a week cruising the San Juans, or tow to Florida and
spend a couple of months in the area, with some nights in hotels. But I
like my 21' alum jet boat, so would keep that.


Bill,
What make is your aluminum jet boat?
Bryan



Reggie Smithers December 31st 05 08:56 PM

Ideal size boat
 
JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?

I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?


I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to
give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a
big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes




JohnH December 31st 05 09:05 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:07:31 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:02:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:

I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to
give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a
big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).


I've decided to stay with my D70 body for now, although the D200 would be a
very nice upgrade. However, it's all I can do to not run out and get my
hands on this new lens that was released the same time as the D200. It
would appear to be the perfect default lens for a Nikon DSLR, and I actually
think I would get more benefit from spending $750 on this lens than on
upgrading the body itself. A great range of focal length and I'm a huge
believer in image stabilization technology. Fortunately, they are very hard
to come by right now, which is keeping me from joining the hunt.

http://tinyurl.com/dsevd



That *is* a nice looking lens. Have you seen any reviews on it? I bought this one:
http://tinyurl.com/aruez and then decided it was too big to carry on the trip we
made. Now I'm considering selling it. I ended up with the 70-300mm lens,
http://tinyurl.com/cn9r5, with which I've been pretty happy.


I'm astonished anyone good photographer would even consider a "super
wide to super tele" lens. The optical challenges alone lead to some
serious compromises.


Are considering 70mm as 'super wide'? Or were you referring to the lens being
considered by RG?

One thing is certain, if it's a Nikon lens, selling for $750, it's not a piece of
junk.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Bill McKee December 31st 05 09:11 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"Bryan" wrote in message
om...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
k.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


I have thought of a 27' boat. Must be trailerable behind a 3/4T diesel.
One I could spend a week cruising the San Juans, or tow to Florida and
spend a couple of months in the area, with some nights in hotels. But I
like my 21' alum jet boat, so would keep that.


Bill,
What make is your aluminum jet boat?
Bryan


Oregon built Jetcraft. Is a 1991 hull, with a 2005 motor. and a 2002 paint
job.



JohnH December 31st 05 09:11 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:03:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

wrote:
wrote:
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?



Sort of going through that at the moment.

We love our boat, but there are a few "isms" we'd change if we could
and we think that a 40-footer would be just a bit bigger than our 36
while still retaining a manageable size.
Our boating budget is adequate, but not extravagant. It was our good
luck to realize a professional windfall recently, and we have
considered using a portion to upgrade the boat. We thought that adding
$100k to what our current boat should bring would keep our total
investment down to a reasonable total, so a new 40-footer ($350k and
up) is definitely out of consideration.

Our next problem is that our boat is reasonably unique, and we wouldn't
find the same characteristics in most available boats.

Looks like we'll spend a good chunk to repaint and refurbish
"Indulgence" and keep her at least a while longer. I've got one bid for
stripping the bottom, repainting the hull and the house, taking all the
teak down to bare wood and refinishing with a first "soak" coat, and
replacing some water-stained interior veneer that seems pretty
reasonable in the mid-30's.
With the 2-year old engine and a face lift, we'd be able to be as proud
as if we found a near bristol used boat- and just the sales commission
to sell "Indulgence" and tax on the difference for a $100k upgrade
would run about half of our cost to make the boat we like so well look
fairly new again.

I crawl through at least one larger boat, 55-70 feet, every month. Nice
to dream about, but
I think that the smallest boat one can safely enjoy in local conditions
is at least as good a choice as the largest boat one can (supposedly)
afford. :-)



If I sell my current boats, I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers,
one a "name brand," and the other built over on the Eastern Shore. After
many years, I've decided that is the optimum size for what I want to do
on the water, especially since I'm usually the only person aboard with
boat-handling skills, and larger boats typically require at least one
additional crew member willing to learn line-handling. Most of my
fishing buddies feel at the top of their form if they can get into the
boat without falling off the dock.


Do you have someone who crews for you on the 36'er? Couldn't you use him/her on
another larger boat?

What are you considering on the Eastern Shore. A friend of mine bought a Judge 27,
and he likes it a lot. But, he got only the 90hp Honda, so his cruising speed is
pretty low (15mph or thereabouts).

The Judge 32 Chesapeake is a nice looking boat.

http://www.judgeyachts.com/32chesapeake/photos.htm

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JohnH December 31st 05 09:18 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:30:36 -0700, "RG" wrote:


That *is* a nice looking lens. Have you seen any reviews on it? I bought
this one:
http://tinyurl.com/aruez and then decided it was too big to carry on the
trip we
made. Now I'm considering selling it. I ended up with the 70-300mm lens,
http://tinyurl.com/cn9r5, with which I've been pretty happy.


I've read only one review, and it was very positive. It sure ought to be
for the money. In addition to the 18-70 kit lens, I also have the 70-300
zoom, the ED version. At the time, it seemed like the most logical
compliment to the 18-70 kit lens, and it was very affordable. However, in
practice, I find it is often too long, and I find myself switching back and
forth between the 18-70 and the 70-300 way too often. Either that or I will
often revert to my point and shoot when I have the 70-300 on the D70 and
need a shorter lens to get a shot off quickly. It's clumsy, and I don't
like it.

There are several inherent advantages this 18-200 lens offers over the
18-70/70-300 combo we now use. First and foremost is to have the majority
of the focal range of the combo in a single lens. You give up nothing on
the short end, and still have 350mm on the long end in 35mm equivalence.
11.1x range is not bad. I'd be more than willing to give up the very long
end to have the 18-200 range in a single lens. Much more convenient. From
what I can tell, it is fairly compact in size. Somewhere between the 18-70
and 70-300 in size, which I would find acceptable for a default walk-around
lens. Second, this lens is far superior to the 70-300 zoom. Much faster
focusing with the silent wave motor, just like the 18-70. And third, even
though this lens isn't really any faster nominally than the 18-70 and only
slightly faster than the 70-300, in practicality it is much faster due to
the VR technology. In most situations, image stabilization will give you
2-3 stops more speed than without. Huge feature, especially if you shoot
mostly hand-held, as I do. I have a very nice pair of Canon image
stabilized binocs, and what the image stabilization does for them has to be
experienced to be believed. My next lens purchase will absolutely have
image stabilization technology incorporated into it.

I'm just waiting for supply to catch up with demand, and maybe the price
will soften a bit. But I wouldn't expect that to happen in the next six
months.


I agree with everything you've said. I love the VR on my big lens, but the lens
itself is *big* and heavy. I don't like carrying a huge camera bag just because of
one big lens.

Now, if I could only find a buyer for this one... http://tinyurl.com/aruez

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JohnH December 31st 05 09:20 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:25:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:09 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

RG wrote:
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to
give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a
big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).


I've decided to stay with my D70 body for now, although the D200 would be a
very nice upgrade. However, it's all I can do to not run out and get my
hands on this new lens that was released the same time as the D200. It
would appear to be the perfect default lens for a Nikon DSLR, and I actually
think I would get more benefit from spending $750 on this lens than on
upgrading the body itself. A great range of focal length and I'm a huge
believer in image stabilization technology. Fortunately, they are very hard
to come by right now, which is keeping me from joining the hunt.

http://tinyurl.com/dsevd



These days, I don't make enlargements bigger than 8x10, and by composing
properly, any cropping I do is on the very edges of the frame, so I see
no particular advantage with the D200, although I am sure it is a hell
of a camera.

I think I'm going to wait for the Nikon digital SLR that doesn't add an
"x" factor to the focal length of lenses. If I want to use a fixed focal
length 105 2.5, then 105 is what I want, NOT 150 mm.

My D70 has performed very well for me.


If 105 is what you want, just back off the lens a bit.

The D200 has a few other mods that make it nice besides the higher resolution. One
thing I like is that the flash never pops up automatically. If you want the flash,
there's a button to push and up it pops. Otherwise, the camera sets itself for a
flashless picture. The big monitor is a joy, especially when zooming in to check
focus on a picture. Having the autofocus control on a switch instead of in the menu's
is also nice.

I was very pleased with the D70, but I have to admit I like the D200 better.


Oh, I'm sure the D200 is a gem, but my "problem" is not with the box,
but with lens selection and use. I prefer fixed focal length lenses.
If I want to use a 28 mm lense, then that is what I want. Same with a
very fast 50 mm, or a short 105 tele. Also, my experience tells me the
fixed focal length lenses are sharper at all openings than the zooms.
And, of course, they are faster. Much faster. There's nothing quite like
the 180mm f/2.8D ED-IF AF Nikkor.


My D200 didn't come with a lens. Your lens would do well with it. I'm not sure what
you mean when you say your problem with it is lens selection.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JohnH December 31st 05 09:24 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote:

JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?

I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?


I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to
give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a
big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes



That *is* nice, and reasonably priced.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JimH December 31st 05 09:25 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
wrote:
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?



Sort of going through that at the moment.

We love our boat, but there are a few "isms" we'd change if we could
and we think that a 40-footer would be just a bit bigger than our 36
while still retaining a manageable size.
Our boating budget is adequate, but not extravagant. It was our good
luck to realize a professional windfall recently, and we have
considered using a portion to upgrade the boat. We thought that adding
$100k to what our current boat should bring would keep our total
investment down to a reasonable total, so a new 40-footer ($350k and
up) is definitely out of consideration.

Our next problem is that our boat is reasonably unique, and we wouldn't
find the same characteristics in most available boats.

Looks like we'll spend a good chunk to repaint and refurbish
"Indulgence" and keep her at least a while longer. I've got one bid for
stripping the bottom, repainting the hull and the house, taking all the
teak down to bare wood and refinishing with a first "soak" coat, and
replacing some water-stained interior veneer that seems pretty
reasonable in the mid-30's.
With the 2-year old engine and a face lift, we'd be able to be as proud
as if we found a near bristol used boat- and just the sales commission
to sell "Indulgence" and tax on the difference for a $100k upgrade
would run about half of our cost to make the boat we like so well look
fairly new again.

I crawl through at least one larger boat, 55-70 feet, every month. Nice
to dream about, but
I think that the smallest boat one can safely enjoy in local conditions
is at least as good a choice as the largest boat one can (supposedly)
afford. :-)



If I sell my current boats, I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers, one
a "name brand," and the other built over on the Eastern Shore. After many
years, I've decided that is the optimum size for what I want to do on the
water, especially since I'm usually the only person aboard with
boat-handling skills, and larger boats typically require at least one
additional crew member willing to learn line-handling. Most of my fishing
buddies feel at the top of their form if they can get into the boat
without falling off the dock.


We know what you are looking to get for the Parker.

How much for the 36 footer? What is she equipped with?



JohnH December 31st 05 09:29 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:25:25 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
wrote:
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


Sort of going through that at the moment.

We love our boat, but there are a few "isms" we'd change if we could
and we think that a 40-footer would be just a bit bigger than our 36
while still retaining a manageable size.
Our boating budget is adequate, but not extravagant. It was our good
luck to realize a professional windfall recently, and we have
considered using a portion to upgrade the boat. We thought that adding
$100k to what our current boat should bring would keep our total
investment down to a reasonable total, so a new 40-footer ($350k and
up) is definitely out of consideration.

Our next problem is that our boat is reasonably unique, and we wouldn't
find the same characteristics in most available boats.

Looks like we'll spend a good chunk to repaint and refurbish
"Indulgence" and keep her at least a while longer. I've got one bid for
stripping the bottom, repainting the hull and the house, taking all the
teak down to bare wood and refinishing with a first "soak" coat, and
replacing some water-stained interior veneer that seems pretty
reasonable in the mid-30's.
With the 2-year old engine and a face lift, we'd be able to be as proud
as if we found a near bristol used boat- and just the sales commission
to sell "Indulgence" and tax on the difference for a $100k upgrade
would run about half of our cost to make the boat we like so well look
fairly new again.

I crawl through at least one larger boat, 55-70 feet, every month. Nice
to dream about, but
I think that the smallest boat one can safely enjoy in local conditions
is at least as good a choice as the largest boat one can (supposedly)
afford. :-)



If I sell my current boats, I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers, one
a "name brand," and the other built over on the Eastern Shore. After many
years, I've decided that is the optimum size for what I want to do on the
water, especially since I'm usually the only person aboard with
boat-handling skills, and larger boats typically require at least one
additional crew member willing to learn line-handling. Most of my fishing
buddies feel at the top of their form if they can get into the boat
without falling off the dock.


We know what you are looking to get for the Parker.

How much for the 36 footer? What is she equipped with?


Check your email.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JimH December 31st 05 09:34 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:25:25 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
wrote:
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


Sort of going through that at the moment.

We love our boat, but there are a few "isms" we'd change if we could
and we think that a 40-footer would be just a bit bigger than our 36
while still retaining a manageable size.
Our boating budget is adequate, but not extravagant. It was our good
luck to realize a professional windfall recently, and we have
considered using a portion to upgrade the boat. We thought that adding
$100k to what our current boat should bring would keep our total
investment down to a reasonable total, so a new 40-footer ($350k and
up) is definitely out of consideration.

Our next problem is that our boat is reasonably unique, and we wouldn't
find the same characteristics in most available boats.

Looks like we'll spend a good chunk to repaint and refurbish
"Indulgence" and keep her at least a while longer. I've got one bid for
stripping the bottom, repainting the hull and the house, taking all the
teak down to bare wood and refinishing with a first "soak" coat, and
replacing some water-stained interior veneer that seems pretty
reasonable in the mid-30's.
With the 2-year old engine and a face lift, we'd be able to be as proud
as if we found a near bristol used boat- and just the sales commission
to sell "Indulgence" and tax on the difference for a $100k upgrade
would run about half of our cost to make the boat we like so well look
fairly new again.

I crawl through at least one larger boat, 55-70 feet, every month. Nice
to dream about, but
I think that the smallest boat one can safely enjoy in local conditions
is at least as good a choice as the largest boat one can (supposedly)
afford. :-)



If I sell my current boats, I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers,
one
a "name brand," and the other built over on the Eastern Shore. After
many
years, I've decided that is the optimum size for what I want to do on
the
water, especially since I'm usually the only person aboard with
boat-handling skills, and larger boats typically require at least one
additional crew member willing to learn line-handling. Most of my
fishing
buddies feel at the top of their form if they can get into the boat
without falling off the dock.


We know what you are looking to get for the Parker.

How much for the 36 footer? What is she equipped with?


Check your email.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes



That is not a true email address. I just sent you one John and you can
reply to that.



JohnH December 31st 05 09:49 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:34:37 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:25:25 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
wrote:
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?


Sort of going through that at the moment.

We love our boat, but there are a few "isms" we'd change if we could
and we think that a 40-footer would be just a bit bigger than our 36
while still retaining a manageable size.
Our boating budget is adequate, but not extravagant. It was our good
luck to realize a professional windfall recently, and we have
considered using a portion to upgrade the boat. We thought that adding
$100k to what our current boat should bring would keep our total
investment down to a reasonable total, so a new 40-footer ($350k and
up) is definitely out of consideration.

Our next problem is that our boat is reasonably unique, and we wouldn't
find the same characteristics in most available boats.

Looks like we'll spend a good chunk to repaint and refurbish
"Indulgence" and keep her at least a while longer. I've got one bid for
stripping the bottom, repainting the hull and the house, taking all the
teak down to bare wood and refinishing with a first "soak" coat, and
replacing some water-stained interior veneer that seems pretty
reasonable in the mid-30's.
With the 2-year old engine and a face lift, we'd be able to be as proud
as if we found a near bristol used boat- and just the sales commission
to sell "Indulgence" and tax on the difference for a $100k upgrade
would run about half of our cost to make the boat we like so well look
fairly new again.

I crawl through at least one larger boat, 55-70 feet, every month. Nice
to dream about, but
I think that the smallest boat one can safely enjoy in local conditions
is at least as good a choice as the largest boat one can (supposedly)
afford. :-)



If I sell my current boats, I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers,
one
a "name brand," and the other built over on the Eastern Shore. After
many
years, I've decided that is the optimum size for what I want to do on
the
water, especially since I'm usually the only person aboard with
boat-handling skills, and larger boats typically require at least one
additional crew member willing to learn line-handling. Most of my
fishing
buddies feel at the top of their form if they can get into the boat
without falling off the dock.

We know what you are looking to get for the Parker.

How much for the 36 footer? What is she equipped with?


Check your email.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes



That is not a true email address. I just sent you one John and you can
reply to that.


Done.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

RG December 31st 05 10:15 PM

Ideal size boat
 
That's a fine lens. I very briefly considered it over the much less
expensive 70-300 ED. I wouldn't have missed very much the last 100mm
that the 70-300 offers, and would have loved to have the VR and the
speed of that bad boy. But ultimately, I wasn't willing to schlep
around a lens with that much bulk to it and wasn't in the mood to lay
down that much dinero either. But this new 18-200 hits a sweet spot
for me. Perfect walkaround range, high quality, reasonably compact,
and a reasonable price point between the budget-priced 70-300 ED and
the $1,000+ higher end lenses. It's not blazing fast, but with VR and
the D70's ability to shoot well at higher ISO ratings, it's fast
enough. Nikon's gonna sell a boatload of them.


Bill McKee December 31st 05 10:38 PM

Ideal size boat
 

"RG" wrote in message
oups.com...
That's a fine lens. I very briefly considered it over the much less
expensive 70-300 ED. I wouldn't have missed very much the last 100mm
that the 70-300 offers, and would have loved to have the VR and the
speed of that bad boy. But ultimately, I wasn't willing to schlep
around a lens with that much bulk to it and wasn't in the mood to lay
down that much dinero either. But this new 18-200 hits a sweet spot
for me. Perfect walkaround range, high quality, reasonably compact,
and a reasonable price point between the budget-priced 70-300 ED and
the $1,000+ higher end lenses. It's not blazing fast, but with VR and
the D70's ability to shoot well at higher ISO ratings, it's fast
enough. Nikon's gonna sell a boatload of them.


I am happy with the compact high quality point and shoot digitals these
days. I remember years ago, when I had long lens, heavy camera's and did my
own development. Maybe age has something to do with it. If I was a
professional photog, making money with the camera, then I would be inclined
to go for the bigger, heavier units, but for self satisfaction and memory
refreshers, I love the digitals. And a carrying a 6 oz. camera though a
jungle or on a long day touring a city, sure beats a 20# bag and camera



RG December 31st 05 11:06 PM

Ideal size boat
 
It's quite amazing how good of a digital camera $200 will buy these
days. I started shooting 35mm film in high school, and progressed
through various 35mm camera systems over the years. I was a fairly
early adopter to digital. I bought one of the very first Olympus
C3030's to hit my town in the spring of 2000. $1000 for a 3mp point
and shoot. Holy crap. But that little camera completely renewed a
waning interest in photography for me. The key for me is what can be
done with modest skills and inexpensive software in digital post
processing. It's just so easy to make a marginal photograph decent and
a good photograph outstanding.

But I never liked handling the point and shoot. I missed the feel,
intuitive controls, and responsiveness of my 35mm film cameras. So
earlier this year I bought two new cameras. I bought another Olympus
point and shoot and a Nikon D70 DSLR. The Oly is a 4mp water resistant
model I purchased at Costco for $200. I bought it simply to always
have in the boat bag. It's small, lightweight, water resistant, and
takes amazingly good pictures. But I hate shooting with it. It just
doesn't act, feel, or respond like a real camera to me. The controls
are diminuitive and the menus are illogical to me. The Nikon on the
other hand, felt like an old friend the first time I held it in my
hands. Completely intuitive and instantly responsive. Therefore, I've
shot thousands of shots with the Nikon compared to maybe several
hundred with the Oly this year. But there's been times I've gotten
great shots simply because the Oly was in proximity while the Nikon was
at home, so having both seems to work well for me.


JohnH December 31st 05 11:36 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:38:44 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote:


"RG" wrote in message
roups.com...
That's a fine lens. I very briefly considered it over the much less
expensive 70-300 ED. I wouldn't have missed very much the last 100mm
that the 70-300 offers, and would have loved to have the VR and the
speed of that bad boy. But ultimately, I wasn't willing to schlep
around a lens with that much bulk to it and wasn't in the mood to lay
down that much dinero either. But this new 18-200 hits a sweet spot
for me. Perfect walkaround range, high quality, reasonably compact,
and a reasonable price point between the budget-priced 70-300 ED and
the $1,000+ higher end lenses. It's not blazing fast, but with VR and
the D70's ability to shoot well at higher ISO ratings, it's fast
enough. Nikon's gonna sell a boatload of them.


I am happy with the compact high quality point and shoot digitals these
days. I remember years ago, when I had long lens, heavy camera's and did my
own development. Maybe age has something to do with it. If I was a
professional photog, making money with the camera, then I would be inclined
to go for the bigger, heavier units, but for self satisfaction and memory
refreshers, I love the digitals. And a carrying a 6 oz. camera though a
jungle or on a long day touring a city, sure beats a 20# bag and camera


I had the Nikon 5700, a good little point and shoot. What drove me up the wall,
continuously, was the shutter lag. With the DSLRs, it's virtually nonexistent. There
are other advantages as well, but that one was all it took for me.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Charlie Brown December 31st 05 11:55 PM

Ideal size boat
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:11:42 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


wrote in message

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one


Lots of folk go at a boat the same way they go at a house. They get the
largest they think they can afford. The proper attitude (in my view) with
both houses and boats is to get the smallest that will meet your
requirements. This assumes, of course, in both cases, that you are able to
remove ego from the equation. :-)


I would argue that to be an incorrect statement when it comes to
making a house purchase. Houses generally appreciate in value, so
therefore buying a more expensive house can provide an overall greater
return than a less expensive one. Therefore there is some logic to
buying a bigger house just because. I think people make the mistake
of buying too much house though and then become house poor.

Butch Davis January 1st 06 12:20 AM

Ideal size boat
 
I'd love to have a bigger boat, but...... I'll need a bigger income to go
with it. I downsized from a 24 SeaRay Sundancer to a 16 Whaler and am very
happy with the change. The Whaler is on a trailer in my back yard. I can
launch and retrieve it by myself under some pretty foul conditions. It
burns so little fuel with a 115 FICHT that it's hardly noticable. It's a
great little fishing boat and with the bimini mounted it makes a nice little
cruiser for the wife and I and another couple if we wish. I can wash and
wax the hull in a couple of hours.

Would I like a larger boat? Absolutely. I'd like to live aboard for a few
weeks at a stretch. I'd like something around 50 feet or less that will not
require a crew. But then comes slip rent, maintenance, etc. Doubt that I'd
do it even if I had the income to support it. If I did, I'd keep the
Whaler anyway just for the fun it provides.

Butch
wrote in message
oups.com...
We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?




RG January 1st 06 12:29 AM

Ideal size boat
 
Yeah, shutter lag was a big issue, and part of what I lump into my
catch-all that I call responsiveness. In addition to shutter lag, I
missed a direct mechanical zoom ring on the lens with the point and
shoot and I never liked the rangefinder viewing mechanism for
composition, or using the LCD preview for composition for that matter.
All these things I refer to as the responsiveness of the camera, and
the point and shoots just don't get it done for me like an SLR body
does. The only annoyance I've discovered with a DSLR over a point and
shoot is the ever present issue of crud on the sensor. It took a
while, but I've finally gotten fairly competent at cleaning the sensor.
It was never an issue with 35mm film cameras or the point and shoots,
and I was taken by surprise at how much of an issue it is with DSLR's.
Have you found it to be much of an issue?



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