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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500 http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to give a number without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a big decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200). -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes That *is* nice, and reasonably priced. 400+ engine hours. Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours? A lot less. Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke? A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well, yes, that would be a lot. I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel flow meter, not the speedometer. So how many hours are on the engine? Less than 400. Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your business. A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records. So how many hours are on the engine? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:36:50 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote: Harry, I have to agree with you on this one. I think you should be able to provide as much or as little information as you feel comfortable doing. If you do not feel comfortable discussing how often you use your boat or the number of hours on your boat, you should not do it. I have trouble understanding why this information should be secret, but that is your prerogative. I just know I would never buy a boat from anyone who was not upfront with the number of hours on the engine. I for one, follow the advice of Internet Security Experts who recommend no one provide any personal information in public newsgroups, and for that reason I do keep my personal information (i.e. Name, telephone number, social security number etc) off of rec.boats. I would actually recommend anyone who uses their real name in change it to a handle. It would be too easy for someone to use the internet to harass someone or cause them financial or personal harm. Since you don't want to discuss the number of hours on your boat engine (which I would not consider personal info), I am sure you can understand why some people prefer not to publish personal information in a public NG. That makes good sense. Besides, it was getting too much like 'attack mode' anyway. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... JimH wrote: SPECS · Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives · LOA 34'9" · Beam 11'0" · Dry weight 10,800 lbs Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is only 4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech materials? You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of my 32 foot boat is still far greater than your 25 footer......65 1/2 pounds/foot to be exact. Tee-hee. ;-) Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider. Dan OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2. An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines. Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2 than your Parker. I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of reasons, engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard only weighs about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct all those "cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble boat, too. I suspect the hull weights of the two boats are practically the same. You really don't know much about boats. "OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2." Idiocy in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too. Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully. Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong. No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than a 25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself again. What a surprise. You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong. BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask again. Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a 5.7L 250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much. But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie. You stepped in it again Harry Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when you actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its wiring? Does that include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100 pounds? Twice as much as my outboard. You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you live in it. A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. You are way off with your weight estimates Harry. Nice try though. |
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JimH wrote:
A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. 1004 lbs combined according to http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp |
Ideal size boat
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... i would expect most Parker owners would not be firewall type operators. Who knows? I wouldn't bet on that one way or the other. JohnH, It looks like the only boat you can comfortable buy is Harry's. |
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NOYB,
The problem with this boat is it doesn't have "Harry Hours" on the boat. If it had Harry Hours on the boat it would be worth $20,000 more. I wouldn't feel comfortable buying any boat that didn't have Harry Hours on the boat. I just wouldn't bet on it being a good boat or a bad boat. "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 |
Ideal size boat
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 Older boat than mine, many more hours, no trailer, smaller fuel tank, but the guy who is selling it is familiar to me from the old Parker chat board. Wonder what he's doing for a new boat? What are you planning on doing for a new boat if/when you sell the Parker? As you know, I got that Grady 30' Marlin 6 weeks ago, and put the Whaler 25' up for sale. I've had a half-dozen calls/emails on the boat, but no serious buyers yet. My dad was down on vacation this past week, and he was telling me he'd like to buy the boat if he had a place to keep it. Long story short...he bought a trailer for it, and found a place to keep it in covered dry-storage for when he retires down here next year. So the Whaler is still in my family. We plan on trailering it over to the east coast next month to chase the near-shore sailfish. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 Older boat than mine, many more hours, Each year, I put 250+ hours on my primary boat, and an additional 100 or so hours on the 17-footer. I don't consider 385 hours a lot of hours...especially on a four-stroke. That motor should be good for another 1500+ hours. no trailer, Trailers aren't that expensive. Under $4k for a boat that size. For $2900, my dad just picked up a dual axle/dual disk brake Continental to fit a 25' Whaler. smaller fuel tank, 300 mile range should be more than enough for a single engine 25' boat. but the guy who is selling it is familiar to me from the old Parker chat board. Wonder what he's doing for a new boat? 2-foot-itis? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... As you know, I got that Grady 30' Marlin 6 weeks ago, and put the Whaler 25' up for sale. I've had a half-dozen calls/emails on the boat, but no serious buyers yet. My dad was down on vacation this past week, and he was telling me he'd like to buy the boat if he had a place to keep it. Long story short...he bought a trailer for it, and found a place to keep it in covered dry-storage for when he retires down here next year. So the Whaler is still in my family. We plan on trailering it over to the east coast next month to chase the near-shore sailfish. I discovered an interesting state of affairs regarding selling boats in the area of Florida were we wintered. According to two brokers, it is currently very difficult for them to sell a boat that the buyer is going to finance. The problem is insurance. Because of the three hurricanes in one year, insurance is hard to come by and, if you do find someone that will insure, it is extremely expensive. I had several acceptable offers for my 20' Scout when I had it for sale down there, but each deal fell through because the buyer was financing and could not get the required insurance. I ended up towing the boat back up to MA and will probably use it for day trips. Eisboch |
Ideal size boat
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500 http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to give a number without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a big decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200). -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes That *is* nice, and reasonably priced. 400+ engine hours. Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours? A lot less. Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke? A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well, yes, that would be a lot. I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel flow meter, not the speedometer. So how many hours are on the engine? Less than 400. Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your business. A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records. So how many hours are on the engine? I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make? When you become a serious seller, let us know. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:58:32 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:36:50 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: Harry, I have to agree with you on this one. I think you should be able to provide as much or as little information as you feel comfortable doing. If you do not feel comfortable discussing how often you use your boat or the number of hours on your boat, you should not do it. I have trouble understanding why this information should be secret, but that is your prerogative. I just know I would never buy a boat from anyone who was not upfront with the number of hours on the engine. I for one, follow the advice of Internet Security Experts who recommend no one provide any personal information in public newsgroups, and for that reason I do keep my personal information (i.e. Name, telephone number, social security number etc) off of rec.boats. I would actually recommend anyone who uses their real name in change it to a handle. It would be too easy for someone to use the internet to harass someone or cause them financial or personal harm. Since you don't want to discuss the number of hours on your boat engine (which I would not consider personal info), I am sure you can understand why some people prefer not to publish personal information in a public NG. That makes good sense. Besides, it was getting too much like 'attack mode' anyway. Why does Smithers keep addressing posts to me and sending me emails I don't want? Another jerkoff who cannot take NO for an answer? He was passing on some good advice. So where is the YoHo now, at Breezy or TriState? What affects have you noticed leaving the boat out on the trailer? I'm seriously considering putting mine in Breezy to save the $1600 storage fees. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:08:02 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500 http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to give a number without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a big decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200). -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes That *is* nice, and reasonably priced. 400+ engine hours. Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours? A lot less. Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke? A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well, yes, that would be a lot. I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel flow meter, not the speedometer. So how many hours are on the engine? Less than 400. Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your business. A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records. So how many hours are on the engine? I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make? When you become a serious seller, let us know. The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel. Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH,
This does seem to be one of the problems when buying a used boat for sale by owner. You have to contend with owners with all of their "quirks". They may or may not have realistic expectations on the quality and value of their boat. They also may not have realistic expectations on how to sell a boat or what is reasonable to expect from the buyer and seller. I for one, would question if any seller is serious when he says "Make me an offer before you even see the boat. If you want to see the boat it will cost you a few hundred dollars. It does highlight the importance of being able to walk away from a potential boat. Don't get too emotional involved when inspecting used boats. I am sure Chuck could tell us stories of sellers and buyers who made the used boat market very interesting. This is a perfect example why they earn their 10 - 15% commission. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500 http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to give a number without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a big decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200). -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes That *is* nice, and reasonably priced. 400+ engine hours. Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours? A lot less. Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke? A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well, yes, that would be a lot. I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel flow meter, not the speedometer. So how many hours are on the engine? Less than 400. Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your business. A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records. So how many hours are on the engine? I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make? When you become a serious seller, let us know. The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel. |
Buying a used boat (was Ideal size boat)
This thread does bring up some interesting ON TOPIC discussion. How many
people would continue to negotiate with a seller who was using a "Standing Room Only Close" when trying to sell his boat. Would you seriously consider buying a boat from a seller whom would not discuss the number of hours on the boat, the options available on the boat, or even allow you to see the boat without making an offer? Besides making very specific demands on the buyer, the seller refuses to even specify an " asking price" for the boat? Would you continue to consider this boat or just move onto the next option? "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel. Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private. Send me an email with what it is you want to know, as it were. Indicate in that email the highest you'd go. If it is way too low, I'll tell you. If it is low, but close, I'll tell you that, too. I'm more than willing to make a fair deal but I am not interested in a giveaway. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... JimH wrote: SPECS · Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives · LOA 34'9" · Beam 11'0" · Dry weight 10,800 lbs Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is only 4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech materials? You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of my 32 foot boat is still far greater than your 25 footer......65 1/2 pounds/foot to be exact. Tee-hee. ;-) Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider. Dan OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2. An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines. Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2 than your Parker. I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of reasons, engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard only weighs about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct all those "cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble boat, too. I suspect the hull weights of the two boats are practically the same. You really don't know much about boats. "OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2." Idiocy in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too. Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully. Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong. No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than a 25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself again. What a surprise. You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong. BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask again. Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a 5.7L 250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much. But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie. You stepped in it again Harry Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when you actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its wiring? Does that include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100 pounds? Twice as much as my outboard. You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you live in it. A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. You are way off with your weight estimates Harry. Nice try though. You say it weights 900 pounds and I guessed it weighed 1000 and I;m way off? You're an idiot. Wait. I'll check the Mercruiser site. Ahhh. 1000 pounds. Guess I was right and you were wrong. As usual. Wrong again Krause. You said the outdrive weighed 1000 pounds. It doen't. The combined engine and outdrive weighs 1,000 pounds. Nice try. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... -rick- wrote: JimH wrote: A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. 1004 lbs combined according to http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp Gosh. Hertvik was wrong. Again. Actually you were. You said the *outdrive* weighed 1,000 pounds. Nice try Harry. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... JimH wrote: SPECS · Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives · LOA 34'9" · Beam 11'0" · Dry weight 10,800 lbs Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is only 4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech materials? You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of my 32 foot boat is still far greater than your 25 footer......65 1/2 pounds/foot to be exact. Tee-hee. ;-) Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider. Dan OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2. An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines. Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2 than your Parker. I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of reasons, engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard only weighs about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct all those "cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble boat, too. I suspect the hull weights of the two boats are practically the same. You really don't know much about boats. "OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2." Idiocy in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too. Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully. Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong. No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than a 25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself again. What a surprise. You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong. BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask again. Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a 5.7L 250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much. But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie. You stepped in it again Harry Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when you actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its wiring? Does that include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100 pounds? Twice as much as my outboard. You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you live in it. A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. You are way off with your weight estimates Harry. Nice try though. You say it weights 900 pounds and I guessed it weighed 1000 and I;m way off? You're an idiot. Wait. I'll check the Mercruiser site. Ahhh. 1000 pounds. Guess I was right and you were wrong. As usual. Now, be sure to write back here when you actually know something, eh? Remember saying this Harry? "An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines." You were speaking of *engines* Then you said this: "So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds?" Note the word *outdrives*. Nice try Harry. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... -rick- wrote: JimH wrote: A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. 1004 lbs combined according to http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp Gosh. Hertvik was wrong. Again. Actually you were. You said the *outdrive* weighed 1,000 pounds. Nice try Harry. Go play with your idiot buddies, Hert. Back to insults because I proved you wrong again Harry? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... -rick- wrote: JimH wrote: A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. 1004 lbs combined according to http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp Gosh. Hertv was wrong. Again. No, you were. Remember saying this Harry? "An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines." You were speaking of *engines* Then you said this: "So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds?" Note the word *outdrives*. Nice try Harry. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message m... JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... JimH wrote: SPECS · Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives · LOA 34'9" · Beam 11'0" · Dry weight 10,800 lbs Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is only 4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech materials? You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of my 32 foot boat is still far greater than your 25 footer......65 1/2 pounds/foot to be exact. Tee-hee. ;-) Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider. Dan OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2. An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines. Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2 than your Parker. I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of reasons, engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard only weighs about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct all those "cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble boat, too. I suspect the hull weights of the two boats are practically the same. You really don't know much about boats. "OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2." Idiocy in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too. Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully. Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong. No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than a 25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself again. What a surprise. You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong. BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask again. Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a 5.7L 250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much. But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie. You stepped in it again Harry Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when you actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its wiring? Does that include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100 pounds? Twice as much as my outboard. You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you live in it. A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than 300 pounds. You are way off with your weight estimates Harry. Nice try though. You say it weights 900 pounds and I guessed it weighed 1000 and I;m way off? You're an idiot. Wait. I'll check the Mercruiser site. Ahhh. 1000 pounds. Guess I was right and you were wrong. As usual. Now, be sure to write back here when you actually know something, eh? Remember saying this Harry? "An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines." You were speaking of *engines* Then you said this: "So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds?" Note the word *outdrives*. Nice try Harry. Write back when you can engage in adult-level conversation, fella. Hey, if you do not know the diffence between an engine, outdrive and combined power and drive unit that is your problem Harry. Anyone with the possible exception of your buttbuddies here would agree that my estimation was for your power plants with the drives attached. As it turns out, your two I/O's weighed just under 2100 pounds when you figure in controls, cables, et cetera, not that far off from the 2500 pounds I estimated. Actually you said 2,600 punds , which would put you 592 pounds over the actual combined engine/drive weight. I estimated 1,800 pounds........208 pounds off. So solly Challie...........you were the one who was way off......and wrong (again), Your attempts to claim that I meant only your outdrives or only your engines weighed that much shows what an absolute lamer you are. Nice spin. *You* used the words engine and outdrive and gave seperate weight estimates on each. So are you back into the insult mode when proved wrong Harry? It must really tick you off that in this one thread I proved wrong on all your claims about boats.........eh Krause? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love to put the hex on any such deal. John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you, Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera. Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a boat that is your problem Harry. I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive. But that's OK Harry. You will get over it. |
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" JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love to put the hex on any such deal. John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you, Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera. Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a boat that is your problem Harry. I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive. But that's OK Harry. You will get over it. Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone like harry. |
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Paul,
I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude, refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer. Very strange indeed. It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale. "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love to put the hex on any such deal. John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you, Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera. Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a boat that is your problem Harry. I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive. But that's OK Harry. You will get over it. Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone like harry. |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude, refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer. Very strange indeed. It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale. Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-) If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer? "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love to put the hex on any such deal. John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you, Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera. Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a boat that is your problem Harry. I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive. But that's OK Harry. You will get over it. Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone like harry. |
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude, refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer. Very strange indeed. It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale. Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-) If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer? Indeed. And if the decision to sell came after shrink wrapping the seller can easily have an access door installed, allowing for easy access yet being able to zipper it up tight. To mandate to a prospective buyer that the boat would have to be re-shrink wrapped if he/she wanted to look at the boat, and at their expense, is just plain crazy. |
Ideal size boat
Paul,
That brings up an excellent point. If you are selling the boat and you want to get the maximum price for the boat, you do need to make it very easy for the buyer to know all of the features and benefits of the boat, and make it easy for him to see the boat. I would not provide a "sea trial" for someone just walking the docks, but if someone had seen the boat and knew the "asking price" and made a reasonable counter offer, I would provide a sea trial to firm up my price. After all, if you have a "cherry of a boat" the buyer will not want to let it slip through his fingers. He will be more inclined to pay top price if he get behind the helm and his emotions started to take over. "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude, refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer. Very strange indeed. It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale. Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-) If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer? "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love to put the hex on any such deal. John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you, Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera. Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a boat that is your problem Harry. I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive. But that's OK Harry. You will get over it. Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone like harry. |
Ideal size boat
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, That brings up an excellent point. If you are selling the boat and you want to get the maximum price for the boat, you do need to make it very easy for the buyer to know all of the features and benefits of the boat, and make it easy for him to see the boat. I would not provide a "sea trial" for someone just walking the docks, but if someone had seen the boat and knew the "asking price" and made a reasonable counter offer, I would provide a sea trial to firm up my price. After all, if you have a "cherry of a boat" the buyer will not want to let it slip through his fingers. He will be more inclined to pay top price if he get behind the helm and his emotions started to take over. Especially in boats of the size we are talking about.......it is different for the mega yacht crowd, that has money to throw around, but people that are buying in the under 40' range typically have a set budget, and are not going to be willing to toss money at something for nothing. (buy the time they pay for a survey, they are pretty much committed on buying the boat) "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude, refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer. Very strange indeed. It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale. Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-) If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer? "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love to put the hex on any such deal. John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you, Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera. Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a boat that is your problem Harry. I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive. But that's OK Harry. You will get over it. Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone like harry. |
Ideal size boat
" JimH" wrote in message . .. "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude, refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer. Very strange indeed. It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale. Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-) If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer? Indeed. And if the decision to sell came after shrink wrapping the seller can easily have an access door installed, allowing for easy access yet being able to zipper it up tight. To mandate to a prospective buyer that the boat would have to be re-shrink wrapped if he/she wanted to look at the boat, and at their expense, is just plain crazy. Around here, the brokers have all the "for sale" boats shrunk wrap in clear plastic as well as having the access door. |
Ideal size boat
Paul,
I know Chuck used to say he never would provide a sea trial until a contract had been signed, but in my area it is normal to have a " sea trial" before a contract is signed on trailer boats or boats less than 40' that are already in the water . "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, That brings up an excellent point. If you are selling the boat and you want to get the maximum price for the boat, you do need to make it very easy for the buyer to know all of the features and benefits of the boat, and make it easy for him to see the boat. I would not provide a "sea trial" for someone just walking the docks, but if someone had seen the boat and knew the "asking price" and made a reasonable counter offer, I would provide a sea trial to firm up my price. After all, if you have a "cherry of a boat" the buyer will not want to let it slip through his fingers. He will be more inclined to pay top price if he get behind the helm and his emotions started to take over. Especially in boats of the size we are talking about.......it is different for the mega yacht crowd, that has money to throw around, but people that are buying in the under 40' range typically have a set budget, and are not going to be willing to toss money at something for nothing. (buy the time they pay for a survey, they are pretty much committed on buying the boat) "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Paul, I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude, refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer. Very strange indeed. It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale. Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-) If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer? "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500: http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13 That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included! Thanks, NOYB. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's boat. It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine hours). Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love to put the hex on any such deal. John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you, Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera. Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a boat that is your problem Harry. I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive. But that's OK Harry. You will get over it. Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone like harry. |
Ideal size boat
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:32:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:08:02 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500 http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to give a number without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a big decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200). -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes That *is* nice, and reasonably priced. 400+ engine hours. Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours? A lot less. Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke? A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well, yes, that would be a lot. I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel flow meter, not the speedometer. So how many hours are on the engine? Less than 400. Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your business. A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records. So how many hours are on the engine? I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make? When you become a serious seller, let us know. The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel. Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private. Send me an email with what it is you want to know, as it were. Indicate in that email the highest you'd go. If it is way too low, I'll tell you. If it is low, but close, I'll tell you that, too. I'm more than willing to make a fair deal but I am not interested in a giveaway. Forget it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Ideal size boat
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:32:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:08:02 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500 http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, " wrote: We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My 28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years, "A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat? I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I convince myself that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine. But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it serious thought. There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer? I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't want to give a number without having made the decision to go for another boat, which would be a big decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200). -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes That *is* nice, and reasonably priced. 400+ engine hours. Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours? A lot less. Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke? A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well, yes, that would be a lot. I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel flow meter, not the speedometer. So how many hours are on the engine? Less than 400. Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your business. A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records. So how many hours are on the engine? I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make? When you become a serious seller, let us know. The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel. Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private. Send me an email with what it is you want to know, as it were. Indicate in that email the highest you'd go. If it is way too low, I'll tell you. If it is low, but close, I'll tell you that, too. I'm more than willing to make a fair deal but I am not interested in a giveaway. Forget it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes Are you really that surprised John? |
Buying a used boat (was Ideal size boat)
Reggie Smithers wrote:
This thread does bring up some interesting ON TOPIC discussion. How many people would continue to negotiate with a seller who was using a "Standing Room Only Close" when trying to sell his boat. Would you seriously consider buying a boat from a seller whom would not discuss the number of hours on the boat, the options available on the boat, or even allow you to see the boat without making an offer? Besides making very specific demands on the buyer, the seller refuses to even specify an " asking price" for the boat? Would you continue to consider this boat or just move onto the next option? with the number of used boats available in the marketplace, i'd just assume drop my interest in this scenario. on the flip side, if it was absolutely the boat i wanted, i would continue, even if the seller was not acting in the same manner i would if i was in their position. it should be a fairly simple process for an interested seller to search a few sites, collect some comparisons and have a ball park number in mind. make the offer and see what happens. i've done it myself in the past and understand most all sellers usually believe the article is more valuable to them than the buyer. my opinion is that the article is truly worth only what a buyer will pay for it. i've had similar scenarios where someone would come up and say "nice boat, is it for sale?". technically not for sale or listed anywhere for sale, but if i were get a fantabulous offer, practically everything i own is subject to sale. i've answered in a similar manner of 'make me an offer'. it is not my intention to make this a never ending process, but if the buyer REALLY wanted it, they would make a serious offer. if they are just fishing for a deal, keep on fishin... |
Buying a used boat (was Ideal size boat)
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:31:34 GMT, DownTime wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote: This thread does bring up some interesting ON TOPIC discussion. How many people would continue to negotiate with a seller who was using a "Standing Room Only Close" when trying to sell his boat. Would you seriously consider buying a boat from a seller whom would not discuss the number of hours on the boat, the options available on the boat, or even allow you to see the boat without making an offer? Besides making very specific demands on the buyer, the seller refuses to even specify an " asking price" for the boat? Would you continue to consider this boat or just move onto the next option? with the number of used boats available in the marketplace, i'd just assume drop my interest in this scenario. on the flip side, if it was absolutely the boat i wanted, i would continue, even if the seller was not acting in the same manner i would if i was in their position. it should be a fairly simple process for an interested seller to search a few sites, collect some comparisons and have a ball park number in mind. make the offer and see what happens. i've done it myself in the past and understand most all sellers usually believe the article is more valuable to them than the buyer. my opinion is that the article is truly worth only what a buyer will pay for it. i've had similar scenarios where someone would come up and say "nice boat, is it for sale?". technically not for sale or listed anywhere for sale, but if i were get a fantabulous offer, practically everything i own is subject to sale. i've answered in a similar manner of 'make me an offer'. it is not my intention to make this a never ending process, but if the buyer REALLY wanted it, they would make a serious offer. if they are just fishing for a deal, keep on fishin... Sounds fair to me! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Ideal size boat
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... As you know, I got that Grady 30' Marlin 6 weeks ago, and put the Whaler 25' up for sale. I've had a half-dozen calls/emails on the boat, but no serious buyers yet. My dad was down on vacation this past week, and he was telling me he'd like to buy the boat if he had a place to keep it. Long story short...he bought a trailer for it, and found a place to keep it in covered dry-storage for when he retires down here next year. So the Whaler is still in my family. We plan on trailering it over to the east coast next month to chase the near-shore sailfish. I discovered an interesting state of affairs regarding selling boats in the area of Florida were we wintered. According to two brokers, it is currently very difficult for them to sell a boat that the buyer is going to finance. The problem is insurance. Because of the three hurricanes in one year, insurance is hard to come by and, if you do find someone that will insure, it is extremely expensive. I had several acceptable offers for my 20' Scout when I had it for sale down there, but each deal fell through because the buyer was financing and could not get the required insurance. I ended up towing the boat back up to MA and will probably use it for day trips. I've never had a problem with Boat/US insurance...and they came in about 40% cheaper than what an independent agent quoted me (he was quoting Progressive...which I'd never use since their CEO is in bed with moveon.org). State Farm wouldn't write the boat even though I was with them for years, because the boat was stored in a coastal region. Does anybody else see the irony in the fact that they wouldn't insure a boat because it was too close to the water? |
Ideal size boat
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: What are you planning on doing for a new boat if/when you sell the Parker? I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers at the moment, both diesel inboards. One is a Bay-built pilothouse, the other is a name brand boat made in Florida. Personally, I like the Carolina boats in that size range with diesels: Carolina Classic and Albemarle Luhrs also makes a pretty boat in that size range. Unfortunately, all draw too much water for my boating grounds. Which Florida-built boat are you considering? Shamrock? I like the style of the Shamrocks, but if you pound on the side, you'd think you were pounding on a Bayliner. |
Ideal size boat
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: What are you planning on doing for a new boat if/when you sell the Parker? I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers at the moment, both diesel inboards. One is a Bay-built pilothouse, the other is a name brand boat made in Florida. Personally, I like the Carolina boats in that size range with diesels: Carolina Classic and Albemarle Luhrs also makes a pretty boat in that size range. Unfortunately, all draw too much water for my boating grounds. Which Florida-built boat are you considering? Shamrock? I like the style of the Shamrocks, but if you pound on the side, you'd think you were pounding on a Bayliner. A Luhrs. They used to build those things across the bay from my old stompin' grounds at the Jersey shore. My brother and I used to take our 13' Whaler and jump the huge wakes made by the Mainship hulls they were sea-trialing. That is...until we cracked the corners of the transom. They moved the manufacturing facility to St. Augustine the same year that my family and I moved from NJ to Indiana...in 1987. Luhrs makes one of the prettiest looking boats out there...and the later models seem to hold their value pretty well. They just draw too much water for my area. |
Ideal size boat
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry, I have to agree with you on this one. I think you should be able to provide as much or as little information as you feel comfortable doing. If you do not feel comfortable discussing how often you use your boat or the number of hours on your boat, you should not do it. I have trouble understanding why this information should be secret, but that is your prerogative. I just know I would never buy a boat from anyone who was not upfront with the number of hours on the engine. I for one, follow the advice of Internet Security Experts who recommend no one provide any personal information in public newsgroups, and for that reason I do keep my personal information (i.e. Name, telephone number, social security number etc) off of rec.boats. I would actually recommend anyone who uses their real name in change it to a handle. It would be too easy for someone to use the internet to harass someone or cause them financial or personal harm. Harry WILL twist and then use any information against you if he has it. -- Skipper |
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