Aweful quiet in here................
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:32:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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It ain't around here. Kids, Daughter in Law,, Son in Law, Girlfriend,
Boyfriend, six dogs four of which don't belong to me, two grandkids,
two cats....

AAARRRRGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Six dogs. You said six, as in 6. Six dogs.

Six as in two Border Collies, two Australian Blue Heelers, one English
Bulldog, one German Shepard. At the moment, they are playing keep
away with each other in the play pen in the back yard.

Shortly, they will be brought in and the kids will help me give them
all baths, wash/dry and then to their crates for a couple of hours
while the dinner table is set up. One dinner is finished, they are
let out to join in the celebrations.

It's kind of charming actually. They all get together and take over a
corner of the living room and just sit watching the activities.

I trained each and every one of them and they are all excellent dogs.

Keep your dog opinions to yourself.

Even the border collies behave? How on earth did you accomplish that? They
always seem to have a natural internal source of methamphetamines.

Aweful quiet in here................
 

Tom,

Have you tried Enbril and Arava, both great disease modifying drugs for RA?

http://www.enbrel.com/index.jsp?f=7
http://www.arava.com/patient/home.do

They are normally prescribed together to not only reduce the symptoms, but
slow down the progression of the disease.



"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:38:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:56:23 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
..........all the guys must be out finally getting that Christmas
gift
for their wives.

You guys give the rest of us a bad name!

Anyway, the turkey is stuffed and has been cooking for about an hour.
Guests arrive after 1.

Merry Christmas folks.

Merry christmas to you and everyone in the newsgroup.
Happy holidays to anyone celebrating other than Christmas.

Cooking that turkey already? We do it Christmas Day.
My assigned duties today include cleaning the upstairs bathroom top to
bottom.

Turkey, stuffing and all the fixings today. Tomorrow we go to 8 a.m.
mass,
then open gifts while sipping on our favorite adult beverage, then pork,
sauerkraut and dumplings for dinner. We will have the same on News
Years
Day.

Wife, daughters and DIL decided on roast beef for tomorrow. Not just
any roast beef - A FREAKIN' STEAMSHIP ROUND OF PRIME RIB!!!

It's slow roasting as we speak.

You have any idea how much that damn thing cost me?

Tonight, the traditional Christmas Eve meal of American Slop Chewy,
salad, garlic bread and banana cream pie. Then all the Military types
get out the dress uniforms, the kids get cleaned up and it's off to
8:00 mass (kids mass). I'm sitting this one out because my RA is
flaring and I'm really not in the mood.

It's the stress of having all these freakin' people in my house. :)

RA??? What's that?

Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Aweful quiet in here................
 

Doug,
Doctors say all chronic illnesses are aggravated by stress.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:38:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:56:23 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
..........all the guys must be out finally getting that Christmas
gift
for their wives.

You guys give the rest of us a bad name!

Anyway, the turkey is stuffed and has been cooking for about an
hour.
Guests arrive after 1.

Merry Christmas folks.

Merry christmas to you and everyone in the newsgroup.
Happy holidays to anyone celebrating other than Christmas.

Cooking that turkey already? We do it Christmas Day.
My assigned duties today include cleaning the upstairs bathroom top
to
bottom.

Turkey, stuffing and all the fixings today. Tomorrow we go to 8 a.m.
mass,
then open gifts while sipping on our favorite adult beverage, then
pork,
sauerkraut and dumplings for dinner. We will have the same on News
Years
Day.

Wife, daughters and DIL decided on roast beef for tomorrow. Not just
any roast beef - A FREAKIN' STEAMSHIP ROUND OF PRIME RIB!!!

It's slow roasting as we speak.

You have any idea how much that damn thing cost me?

Tonight, the traditional Christmas Eve meal of American Slop Chewy,
salad, garlic bread and banana cream pie. Then all the Military types
get out the dress uniforms, the kids get cleaned up and it's off to
8:00 mass (kids mass). I'm sitting this one out because my RA is
flaring and I'm really not in the mood.

It's the stress of having all these freakin' people in my house. :)

RA??? What's that?

Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Do you notice the stress-related increase pretty quickly?

Aweful quiet in here................
 

Doug,
Border Collies do have high energy, but their natural instinct is to try to
figure out what their master wants. They are considered the smartest and
most well behaved dog you can adopted. The only negative is they do want to
"work", and if you live in an urban area they can get bored.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:32:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
It ain't around here. Kids, Daughter in Law,, Son in Law, Girlfriend,
Boyfriend, six dogs four of which don't belong to me, two grandkids,
two cats....

AAARRRRGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Six dogs. You said six, as in 6. Six dogs.

Six as in two Border Collies, two Australian Blue Heelers, one English
Bulldog, one German Shepard. At the moment, they are playing keep
away with each other in the play pen in the back yard.

Shortly, they will be brought in and the kids will help me give them
all baths, wash/dry and then to their crates for a couple of hours
while the dinner table is set up. One dinner is finished, they are
let out to join in the celebrations.

It's kind of charming actually. They all get together and take over a
corner of the living room and just sit watching the activities.

I trained each and every one of them and they are all excellent dogs.

Keep your dog opinions to yourself.

Even the border collies behave? How on earth did you accomplish that? They
always seem to have a natural internal source of methamphetamines.

Aweful quiet in here................
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:56:23 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
..........all the guys must be out finally getting that Christmas gift
for their wives.

You guys give the rest of us a bad name!

Anyway, the turkey is stuffed and has been cooking for about an hour.
Guests arrive after 1.

Merry Christmas folks.

Merry christmas to you and everyone in the newsgroup.
Happy holidays to anyone celebrating other than Christmas.

Cooking that turkey already? We do it Christmas Day.
My assigned duties today include cleaning the upstairs bathroom top to
bottom.

Turkey, stuffing and all the fixings today. Tomorrow we go to 8 a.m.
mass,
then open gifts while sipping on our favorite adult beverage, then pork,
sauerkraut and dumplings for dinner. We will have the same on News Years
Day.

Wife, daughters and DIL decided on roast beef for tomorrow. Not just
any roast beef - A FREAKIN' STEAMSHIP ROUND OF PRIME RIB!!!

It's slow roasting as we speak.

You have any idea how much that damn thing cost me?

Tonight, the traditional Christmas Eve meal of American Slop Chewy,
salad, garlic bread and banana cream pie. Then all the Military types
get out the dress uniforms, the kids get cleaned up and it's off to
8:00 mass (kids mass). I'm sitting this one out because my RA is
flaring and I'm really not in the mood.

It's the stress of having all these freakin' people in my house. :)


I go to Safeway since they have Prime Rib on sale at $5 / pound for club
members and ask for a roast for 11 people. He cuts and wraps me a 10# prime
rib. He must think they are gluttons. Will be nice left over's. And off
to deliver goodie trays later, and pick up the Tamales for dinner. Youngest
is off to look at the set up for a Bat'h Mitzvah ( or however the females is
spelt). For her August wedding reception. Oldest is off to an engagement
party. Just the parents and the kids dog.

Aweful quiet in here................
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:23:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:32:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
It ain't around here. Kids, Daughter in Law,, Son in Law, Girlfriend,
Boyfriend, six dogs four of which don't belong to me, two grandkids,
two cats....

AAARRRRGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Six dogs. You said six, as in 6. Six dogs.

Six as in two Border Collies, two Australian Blue Heelers, one English
Bulldog, one German Shepard. At the moment, they are playing keep
away with each other in the play pen in the back yard.

Shortly, they will be brought in and the kids will help me give them
all baths, wash/dry and then to their crates for a couple of hours
while the dinner table is set up. One dinner is finished, they are
let out to join in the celebrations.

It's kind of charming actually. They all get together and take over a
corner of the living room and just sit watching the activities.

I trained each and every one of them and they are all excellent dogs.

Keep your dog opinions to yourself.

Even the border collies behave? How on earth did you accomplish that? They
always seem to have a natural internal source of methamphetamines.

Training, training and more training. Both of them go through an hour
every other day, we run through all the obedience commands, then we
train a on a skill like tracking or herding (the farmer in back of me
lends his heifers for that) and then it's play time. Play can be any
number of "events" - mostly high energy events like chasing balls or
playing soccer.

They are great dogs.

The kid's dog is here and is Lab, Border Collie mix. Still not completely
under control, but is only 6 months old. Tries to be a runner. Wants to
play with the cat. Cat is staying under the bed.

quiet... dogs
 

Bill McKee wrote:
The kid's dog is here and is Lab, Border Collie mix. Still not completely
under control, but is only 6 months old.

That's the best time to work with them. Actually no, the
best time to begin a dog's training is much younger.

Time spent with a very young puppy is the most bang for the
buck in terms of shaping the dog's behavior later in life.
It takes some patience, consistency, and willingness to work
with a puppy's instincts & attitudes... and for me it has
always been great fun to have a puppy running around.

Collies and most herding dogs need a lot of exercise.
They're also too noisy for me. I've had more retrievers than
any other breed, IMHO they are perfect boating

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...83126526ongQsz

& household dogs. Our current dog is an unknown... I suspect
at least 1/4 pit bull, but people have guessed everything
from Chesapeake Bay Retriever to Rhodesian Ridgeback to hyena.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...19409682lFZFTd
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...89675958BCXOSw

Sounds like you all are having a great family holiday.

Merry Christmas!

Doug King

Aweful quiet in here................
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I've just been informed that we are adding two Sailors and two Marines
from the Navy Base for tomorrow's dinner. Wife has already left for a
quick foray into Target/Walmart/Sears to pick up some small presents.

~~ sigh ~~

If never rains, it pours. :)

And that's the way it should be. You will have a great
occasion to share with those servicemen. I stand & salute
you all, even though you can't see it.

DSK

Aweful quiet in here................
 

" JimH" wrote ...

..........all the guys must be out finally getting that Christmas gift for
their wives.

You guys give the rest of us a bad name!

Anyway, the turkey is stuffed and has been cooking for about an hour. Guests
arrive after 1.

Merry Christmas folks.

I hope my wife likes her new fishing reel.

-rick-

quiet... dogs
 

The kid's dog is here and is Lab, Border Collie mix. Still not completely
under control, but is only 6 months old.

That's the best time to work with them. Actually no, the
best time to begin a dog's training is much younger.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Right from the git go in fact.

Yep. Our last dog learned "sit" and "heel" at about 14
weeks... within two weeks of bringing him home.

The important thing with a young puppy is to teach them to
pay attention to you, and imprint on them that they will be
rewarded for good behavior... good as defined by you, of course.


.... The difference with BCs is that their
attention span increases exponentially as you work with them as
puppies - if you keep them busy and active they can be as advanced in
training at six months as any other dog is at a year.

I'd say that's true with all working breeds, in fact I
suspect as a general prinicple, it's true of all dogs...
maybe all mammals...


Ours are strictly working dog stock and in general, have been much
smarter than the average BC.


That ain't sayin' much. I've known a few border collies &
small shepherd breeds that were often outsmarted by a plate
of meat loaf.



I've owned one retriever, but I wasn't overly impressed - that was
probably one dog that I've owned that I wasn't overly enthusiastic
about. Good dog, just not my style.

What, didn't he bark at nothing often enough?

.... I ended up giving her to a
friend who hunts ducks and she was very happy with him.


Good. Not enough happy homes for dogs in this country, these
days.


I've trained a lot of dogs in my time, but standard, non-registered
stock dogs, BCs, Heelers, etc., are the best in my opinion. They can
do pretty much anything.

Hmmm... it's rare to have a dog that can both point & fetch,
but how about one that also retrieves a wallet dropped out
of the boat? Chesapeakes have a bad reputation with people
who can't raise them properly, but IMHO they're the best of
the best.

Here is a story you might enjoy, and illustrates part of why
I think so much of retrievers in general and Chessies in
particular.

http://www.amchessieclub.org/a-reddog.html


Another thing: swimming is very potent exercise... a tired
dog is a well-behaved dog (and a dog that gets regular
exercise is a healthy dog). Playing fetch in the water for
1/2 an hour is the equivalent of at least two hours of
running around in circles on dry land.

Most people don't spend enough time with their dogs, I'm
glad to hear about you all including yours in the family.

Merry Christmas!

Doug King