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Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine,
9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. |
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Thanks, Bill for the great link. A fabulous photo/video essay! Who was the
photog? Also, thanks for the diversion . . . Robin "Bill Tuthill" wrote in message ... Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine, 9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. |
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine, 9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. Bill, Great pictures and video. Thanks. Al |
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That looked like a GOOD time!
Thanks for the link "Bill Tuthill" wrote in message ... Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine, 9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. |
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Leland Davis is the author and photographer, I believe.
He appears to be the author of a river guidebook to N Carolina. Socemdog wrote: Thanks, Bill for the great link. A fabulous photo/video essay! Who was the photog? Also, thanks for the diversion . . . Robin Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine, 9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. |
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I know who Leland is - one of the great extreme boaters from Western North
Carolina. I know he wasn't in raft!! "Bill Tuthill" wrote in message ... Leland Davis is the author and photographer, I believe. He appears to be the author of a river guidebook to N Carolina. Socemdog wrote: Thanks, Bill for the great link. A fabulous photo/video essay! Who was the photog? Also, thanks for the diversion . . . Robin Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine, 9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. |
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Socemdog wrote:
http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Thanks, Bill for the great link. A fabulous photo/video essay! Who was the photog? Also, thanks for the diversion... Robin Leland Davis is the author and photographer, I believe. He appears to be the author of a river guidebook to N Carolina. I know who Leland is - one of the great extreme boaters from Western North Carolina. I know he wasn't in raft!! Are you sure that's not Northern West Carolina? Au contraire, the guy rowing the big Chub seems to be the narrator, and he never appears in a picture until page next6.html, standing in front of the Thunder River in a picture entitled "leland..." BTW, the Thunder River is one of only a few rivers in the world that flows into a creek, Tapeats Creek. |
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine, 9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Fun linke, Bill! Looks like Leland Davis his trip all right. Leland used to be a frequent poster on RBP a while ago:http://www.angelfire.com/bc/rbp/dir/leland.html Nowadays he can be found on Boatertalk every now and then. Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. Yeah, I don't mind the low frequency posts between posters, but all this trolling and responding to the troll sure becomes dull very quickly. I wonder if anyone else responds to the troll? Oh well, good to see some familiar names around here! :-) Did a fun boating trip today on a nice creek with snow falling all around us, creating a nice winter wonderland scenery! I took a couple of pictures, I hope to have them developed and maybe even scanned this coming week. A pity I ran out of film after 6 pictures... Next time I'll take another film! -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:28:01 +0100, Wilko wrote:
Bill Tuthill wrote: Here are some excellent pictures and commentary (not mine, 9 pages total) from a Grand Canyon trip last month: http://nccreeks.com/grand/ Fun linke, Bill! Looks like Leland Davis his trip all right. Leland used to be a frequent poster on RBP a while ago:http://www.angelfire.com/bc/rbp/dir/leland.html Nowadays he can be found on Boatertalk every now and then. Since this newsgroup is mostly echo-noise between two guys now, I doubt this announcement will overburden their server. Yeah, I don't mind the low frequency posts between posters, but all this trolling and responding to the troll sure becomes dull very quickly. I wonder if anyone else responds to the troll? Oh well, good to see some familiar names around here! :-) Did a fun boating trip today on a nice creek with snow falling all around us, creating a nice winter wonderland scenery! I took a couple of pictures, I hope to have them developed and maybe even scanned this coming week. A pity I ran out of film after 6 pictures... Next time I'll take another film! Bill & Wilko, I will write this in response to what you have posted, and hope you all will hear what I am trying to say. First off Bill I really enjoyed the pictures and the commentary. Since I got into paddling, I have thought that an extended trip through the Grand Canyon would be the trip of a lifetime. I have camped on the rim numerous times, and find the light and shadow displays awesome. The first time I camped as a child, was at the Grand Canyon, so it is sort of like my first love. I have never forgotten that trip, and it laid a foundation for 45 years of camping joy. The last time I was there, it was early spring, when there was little traffic like in the summer, and on a warm spring day, just a really nice place to relax. The green grass and flowers were everywhere, and we saw lots of young wildlife. I suppose there is not a lot of relaxing when you are down on the water, at least in the rapids, though it seems there must be long flat areas where you just drift along. I have heard that even during the summer, that the water is cold these days, being fed from the depths of Lake Powell, so it must be really cold during the winter when the cold air settles in the canyon. Nothing was said about other groups being on the river at the same time, so do you know is it hard to get off-season river permits? It appears that this would be a totally different experience than the main summer season. More gentle and quiet. Contemplative! Now Wilko, you recently identified me as a pest, and not a troll, and I take that as a compliment! Maybe only half a step above, but still a compliment. I really did come back to the NG wanting to have a friendlier time, and found that the first thing I posted was trolled all over. I tried posting OT content, humor, stayed away from religion and politics, encouraged one in particular the opportunity to do likewise, took his insults as lightly as possible, and still found that no matter what I said, it attracted lightening like a lightening rod. I had hopes that I could enter into a meaningful conversation with the other. I will also admit as time progressed, that I was willing to entertain his activity, in so much as no one else was posting here on the NG. It became sort of a one-up-man-ship game. However I would much prefer a positive thread such as this one. At the same time I found that I was hesitant to post to these other threads, because that would just attract the above activity, and spoil it for you all. So I figured there may be some benefit for me to run interferance elsewhere, and keep him busy there. At least then he does not bother you all on some of the other threads. I know that this uses all of your's bandwidth, as it does mine. I am on limited bandwidth, in as much as I am using a free server at this time, so I have been cut off on a daily basis, and come to understand more the issues involved in using the newsreader services. Previously when I posted from Google, I did not totally understand how it all worked from this side. Now that I am contemplating the benefit of subscribing to a service, I realize my money will be on the line as yours has been. I have read on your website about dealing with trolls, and I suppose this is wisdom that you have learned from previous personal experiences, - not to answer a troll, ignore the troll. Well I am willing to try doing this, and we will see where it ends up. I hope to have meaningful converstions with all of you, and that includes in particular, Oc1, riverman, John F., Wilko, and all the others from last year that I probably torqued off. However, as much as I do not desire to be ignored, neither do I desire to be condescended to. Recently when riverman was giving me a few licks with the riverman' clue bat, I responded with a little pointed prose! I understand that some of you have been around not only the RBP for a long time, but also the sport of paddling. I am sure that you know more than I will ever know about paddling, and I have much to learn from you. I do not desire to cut myself off from you as a learning resourse. However neither do I feel that my position on this group, or for that matter any discussion group, to be one where I just sit and listen to the "great ones". As I have surfed, and lurked around (in NGs since the early '80s), I have found that it seems most NG's have resident experts that have been around since the beginning of time. They are constantly spinning and weaving their ownership of the group, such that noone else can really ever get in the conversational life of the group. Typically it seems there is a core group of 10 to 20 alpha types, and the rest are expected to just be groupies. Also what I have found is that as groups go through genesis, the groupies eventually fall off, and the level of interest and participation without the adoring audience falters as well. It seems to be a normal and healthy cleansing process to have people move on as they develope new interests and circles of friends. Though I miss some of the individuals that I have met along the way, I usually can find them elsewhere, and continue a friendship. If I came in here as a Rhino in a porceline factory, it is because I found a NG with a subject that I was really interested in and I was not willing to be subject to the above rules of NG participation. If I stepped on some toes, I will apologize profusely, and only request that in the future, that you not put your toes in jeapordy, by being unwilling to move them quicker. I realize that some of you have been standing here in the group for a long time, but I see it more as a dance, where we all have to get out on the floor, and each dance is new, and noone owns their corner of the dance floor. If that is a disturbing thought to you, I would suggest that maybe you need to get your toes stepped on more often. So the prose was not meant as an attack on the integrity of the riverman or those that preceded or followed him, but as a statement that I reserve the right to be me today, and not constrained by how it was yesterday. If I make a comment on such as regarding the photos of this thread, it is because that is how I see it today. If you would like to influence my vision, please don't blind me with the brillance of your past enlightenments, but encourage me to open my eyes wider to see more of this wonderful experience of paddling, that I only regret I waited so long to enjoy myself. Wilko, I realize that you and others may already be in ignore mode, but I also know that there may be many others out there who will read this, and I can only encourage you to come participate in this NG. I seriously desire to hear from all of you, and together learn from our mutual experiences. I am sure there are other lurkers out there, and I know that it can be hard to break into an established group and figure out the geo-political demographics of a group, but it is worth the effort, and the ride is a blast especially when it comes to paddling and the RBP. RkyMtnHootOwl OvO |
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Socemdog wrote:
I know who Leland is - one of the great extreme boaters from Western North Carolina. I know he wasn't in raft!! Robin, have you talked to Leland recently? (BTW: he's wearing a beard in those pictures) He's definately into rafting as well! Considering everything he's paddled so far, I'm not at all surprised by him rafting. :-) Wilko -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |