"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World Order,"
page 219.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:55:51 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World Order,"
page 219.


Nothing there come's close to your claims.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and
the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but
abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made
if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World
Order,"
page 219.

Pat Roberson is an idiot. Anybody that pays attention to him is an idiot
too.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and
the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but
abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made
if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World
Order,"
page 219.


Nothing about killing the men, and enslaving the women like our Muslim
fundies want?

NOYB wrote:

Nothing about killing the men, and enslaving the women like our Muslim
fundies want?

Really? How about this:

Proposed 'Godly Fumigation' of Non-Christians

It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great
builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because
Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love
of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our]
institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying
institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is
universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The
termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and
the time has arrived for a godly fumigation.
-- Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986

And this:
Audience Participant: "I've been reading through the Book of Numbers
recently, and come across that passage in Chapter 31 about the
destruction of the Midianites. How do you explain that apparent
travesty of the destruction of that people with the just and holy God?"

Pat Robertson: The wars of extermination have given a lot of people
trouble unless they understand fully what was going on. The people in
the land of Palestine were very wicked. They were given over to
idolatry. They sacrificed their children. They had all kinds of
abominable sex practices. They were having sex apparently with animals.
They were having sex men with men and women with women. They were
committing adultery and fornication. They were serving idols. As I say,
they were offering their children up, and they were forsaking God.

God told the Israelites to kill them all: men, women and children; to
destroy them. And that seems like a terrible thing to do. Is it or
isn't it? Well, let us assume that there were two thousand of them or
ten thousand of them living in the land, or whatever number, I don't
have the exact number, but pick a number. And God said, "Kill them
all." Well, that would seem hard, wouldn't it? But that would be 10,000
people who probably would go to hell. But if they stayed and
reproduced, in thirty, forty or fifty or sixty or a hundred more years
there could conceivably be ... ten thousand would grow to a hundred, a
hundred thousand conceivably could grow to a million, and there would
be a million people who would have to spend an eternity in Hell! And it
is far more merciful to take away a few than to see in the future a
hundred years down the road, and say, "Well, I'll have to take away a
million people, that will be forever apart from God because the
abomination is there." It's like a contagion. God saw that there was no
cure for it. It wasn't going to change, and all they would do is cause
trouble for the Israelites and pull the Israelites away from God and
prevent the truth of God from reaching the earth. And so God in love --
and that was a loving thing -- took away a small number that he might
not have to take away a large number

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NOYB wrote:

Nothing about killing the men, and enslaving the women like our Muslim
fundies want?

Really? How about this:

Proposed 'Godly Fumigation' of Non-Christians

It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great
builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because
Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love
of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our]
institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying
institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is
universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The
termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and
the time has arrived for a godly fumigation.
-- Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986







And this:
Audience Participant: "I've been reading through the Book of Numbers
recently, and come across that passage in Chapter 31 about the
destruction of the Midianites. How do you explain that apparent
travesty of the destruction of that people with the just and holy God?"

Pat Robertson: The wars of extermination have given a lot of people
trouble unless they understand fully what was going on. The people in
the land of Palestine were very wicked. They were given over to
idolatry. They sacrificed their children. They had all kinds of
abominable sex practices. They were having sex apparently with animals.
They were having sex men with men and women with women. They were
committing adultery and fornication. They were serving idols. As I say,
they were offering their children up, and they were forsaking God.

God told the Israelites to kill them all: men, women and children; to
destroy them. And that seems like a terrible thing to do. Is it or
isn't it? Well, let us assume that there were two thousand of them or
ten thousand of them living in the land, or whatever number, I don't
have the exact number, but pick a number. And God said, "Kill them
all." Well, that would seem hard, wouldn't it? But that would be 10,000
people who probably would go to hell. But if they stayed and
reproduced, in thirty, forty or fifty or sixty or a hundred more years
there could conceivably be ... ten thousand would grow to a hundred, a
hundred thousand conceivably could grow to a million, and there would
be a million people who would have to spend an eternity in Hell! And it
is far more merciful to take away a few than to see in the future a
hundred years down the road, and say, "Well, I'll have to take away a
million people, that will be forever apart from God because the
abomination is there." It's like a contagion. God saw that there was no
cure for it. It wasn't going to change, and all they would do is cause
trouble for the Israelites and pull the Israelites away from God and
prevent the truth of God from reaching the earth. And so God in love --
and that was a loving thing -- took away a small number that he might
not have to take away a large number



If you follow the Bible, you know that most religions believe that there
were historical times when the Earth was beset by natural disasters brought
on by God's wrath at mans' sins.

But there is a difference between believing that God should punish the
sinners, and believing that man ought to do it for him.

The Muslim fundies believe they are doing Allah's work by bringing death and
destruction upon the infidels.

The Christian fundies believe that it is up to God Himself to bring the
death and destruction.

There's a big difference in those two idealogies.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and
the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but
abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made
if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World
Order,"
page 219.

It's interesting how he allows doubt as to whether he's saying Khomeini was
Hindu.